(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:05 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:23 AM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  The idea of 14 is most likely being perpetuated by the SEC in a misinformation campaign with the hopes that the Big 12 fricks this up.

I think it stems from Sic'em 365 making all those Youtube vids about a Round 2 for Big12 expansion.

Memphis, SMU and usf fans aren't going to let it go. Sic'em didn't have any real sources on it and it was a speculation that got them a lot of clicks.

SMU announcing a stadium expansion shows the administration believes its a possibility too. SMU average attendance last year was like 23k and their stadium capacity is 32k. There is no reason to add more capacity to Ford Stadium because they aren't close selling out games currently. usf is attempting rush facilities out too. There is an arms race in the AAC because they think realignment is still in the air.

Well yes there are potential realignment scenarios and opportunities across the country, so if say a Pac or ACC domino falls then we will see shifts across the country. However all that aside, any potential Big 12 candidate would need to vastly improve it's standing to be additive to a TV contract for the future Big 12 schools which is extremely unlikely.
That being said I want SMU in a Power conference and congratulate them on their investment and hope it pays off for them.

I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

I wouldn't do anything until the PAC-12 TV deal is negotiated and finalized. If you could get the Arizona schools and potentially Utah and Colorado, I think you do that. I just don't think that's very likely at all.

And I don't worry about the P5/G5 thing too much in potential expansion candidates. I look solely at programs that can compete (and potentially contend) at the Big 12 level. The Big 12 isn't going to win any beauty pageants or win any arguments based on tradition. This league's niche/identity now is that of co-equal overachievers who will accept any challenge and kick your tail on the field/court.

Many current G5 programs fit that mold a lot better than current P5 programs. The Big 12's goal IMO should be first negotiating a decent media contract and second building the best and most competitive league it can in both football and men's basketball. If this league's going to stay relevant into the future (and I think it will), it's going to do so by winning big games on the field and court and building a compelling national narrative around that success. The Big 12 should seek to be the most fun and competitive conference in America, and hope that in doing so it's product will draw in more viewers than any of its individual members are able to on name alone.

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:05 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:23 AM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  The idea of 14 is most likely being perpetuated by the SEC in a misinformation campaign with the hopes that the Big 12 fricks this up.

I think it stems from Sic'em 365 making all those Youtube vids about a Round 2 for Big12 expansion.

Memphis, SMU and usf fans aren't going to let it go. Sic'em didn't have any real sources on it and it was a speculation that got them a lot of clicks.

SMU announcing a stadium expansion shows the administration believes its a possibility too. SMU average attendance last year was like 23k and their stadium capacity is 32k. There is no reason to add more capacity to Ford Stadium because they aren't close selling out games currently. usf is attempting rush facilities out too. There is an arms race in the AAC because they think realignment is still in the air.

Well yes there are potential realignment scenarios and opportunities across the country, so if say a Pac or ACC domino falls then we will see shifts across the country. However all that aside, any potential Big 12 candidate would need to vastly improve it's standing to be additive to a TV contract for the future Big 12 schools which is extremely unlikely.
That being said I want SMU in a Power conference and congratulate them on their investment and hope it pays off for them.

I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:05 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I think it stems from Sic'em 365 making all those Youtube vids about a Round 2 for Big12 expansion.

Memphis, SMU and usf fans aren't going to let it go. Sic'em didn't have any real sources on it and it was a speculation that got them a lot of clicks.

SMU announcing a stadium expansion shows the administration believes its a possibility too. SMU average attendance last year was like 23k and their stadium capacity is 32k. There is no reason to add more capacity to Ford Stadium because they aren't close selling out games currently. usf is attempting rush facilities out too. There is an arms race in the AAC because they think realignment is still in the air.

Well yes there are potential realignment scenarios and opportunities across the country, so if say a Pac or ACC domino falls then we will see shifts across the country. However all that aside, any potential Big 12 candidate would need to vastly improve it's standing to be additive to a TV contract for the future Big 12 schools which is extremely unlikely.
That being said I want SMU in a Power conference and congratulate them on their investment and hope it pays off for them.

I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:05 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  Well yes there are potential realignment scenarios and opportunities across the country, so if say a Pac or ACC domino falls then we will see shifts across the country. However all that aside, any potential Big 12 candidate would need to vastly improve it's standing to be additive to a TV contract for the future Big 12 schools which is extremely unlikely.
That being said I want SMU in a Power conference and congratulate them on their investment and hope it pays off for them.

I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf? I can’t see any ACC teams leaving for the B12 anytime soon, If that’s what you meant.

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

That would be nice. I just don't see many opportunities. I definitely wouldn't do anything until all possibilities are explored, though.

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

(01-24-2022 04:35 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

Target List Schools: VT, Pitt, FSU, Miami, Louisville, Syracuse, Clemson, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah

GoR can be adjusted if we take out a big boy team, or enough of them, even if it is a long shot.
https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/08/02/cl...20dollars.

(01-24-2022 04:35 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

This exactly. They also should have added UC and BYU a few years back during the dog and pony show.

(01-24-2022 04:35 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

Yep or at least added Louisville with TCU and wvu which was discussed. That would have made so much sense

Jackson

(01-24-2022 04:17 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:51 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:12 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:05 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I think it stems from Sic'em 365 making all those Youtube vids about a Round 2 for Big12 expansion.

Memphis, SMU and usf fans aren't going to let it go. Sic'em didn't have any real sources on it and it was a speculation that got them a lot of clicks.

SMU announcing a stadium expansion shows the administration believes its a possibility too. SMU average attendance last year was like 23k and their stadium capacity is 32k. There is no reason to add more capacity to Ford Stadium because they aren't close selling out games currently. usf is attempting rush facilities out too. There is an arms race in the AAC because they think realignment is still in the air.

Well yes there are potential realignment scenarios and opportunities across the country, so if say a Pac or ACC domino falls then we will see shifts across the country. However all that aside, any potential Big 12 candidate would need to vastly improve it's standing to be additive to a TV contract for the future Big 12 schools which is extremely unlikely.
That being said I want SMU in a Power conference and congratulate them on their investment and hope it pays off for them.

I don't think the value of schools 13-16 is in traditional TV revenue. I think it's in TV inventory and third-tier revenue potential.

Adding four more quality programs dramatically improves the quality of the league's top five matchups for TV window purposes. It also leaves you with a bunch of quality games you can then take and sell to other media partners in third-tier media rights deals.

In the absence of any name brands, the Big 12 is likely going to have to get creative and think outside of the box to create revenue streams that make up for the TV revenue lost from OUT's exit.

I agree, and they’ll definitely look into that, but I don’t think they should be hasty in adding these schools, we should wait until they develop. Otherwise it’ll dilute the product with more “G5” perception.

Big 12 should not expand with additional current G5 schools, full stop. Memphis is the only "maybe" attractive school for additional coverage.

100% Agree

Welcome to the boards as well!

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

This right here. The media partners will dictate expansion. If there are any schools that increase the revenue per school, they will be added. If those schools decrease the revenue per school, well then, they aren't joining.

(01-24-2022 05:03 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:35 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:24 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  I don't think we can speak in such absolutes. If the Big 12 is expanding past 12, it is because the league has been told by potential media partners that this conference is more lucrative with a 14- or 16-school roster. And any schools they took at that point would be selected based on their relative value to the league. Now that UT and OU are gone, I trust the Big 12's ADs to do what is best for the member institutions and league as a whole. If that means further expansion, I'm all for it. If not, I'm cool with that, too.

Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

Target List Schools: VT, Pitt, FSU, Miami, Louisville, Syracuse, Clemson, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah

GoR can be adjusted if we take out a big boy team, or enough of them, even if it is a long shot.
https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/08/02/cl...20dollars.

My list would be similar. Pac 12 media deal is up first, shoot for the top. We know USC isn't happy with the Pac 12 and it would seem that a conference change to the Big 12 with primarily eastern & central exposure could resolve a lot of those issues. Who would we need to bring in to pluck USC? I'd put the Pac 12 teams to target at: USC, Stanford, Arizona St, Colorado, Arizona.

The ACC would be a much different obstacle because the Big 10 & SEC would also be involved in chopping them up if they're getting poached around 2030. To bullet point the scenario:
- Big 10 expands into the south poaching ACC schools (one of the Virginia schools, one of the North Carolina schools, Clemson, GT and one of the Florida schools)
- SEC grabs a North Carolina & Virginia school so they can fill in Dixie.
- Big 12 would be able to pick up Louisville, one of the Florida programs, Pitt and maybe VT.
Interesting part then is what conference does Notre Dame go to? History says they follow their old Big East friends and the Big 12 would have the majority of them at that point. And in a "super conference" scenario if we pull off poaching USC & Stanford before this ACC raid (which I think would be started by the Big 10) Notre Dame would be forced into a conference for football as well based off scheduling availability alone. So conference choices are Big 10 (literally founded to boycott and destroy ND), Big 12 with USC and Stanford or the SEC. I like our chances at that point.

(01-24-2022 06:40 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:03 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:35 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:29 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  Agree, I'm in the same boat. But we should do some poaching of our own. Target old Big East or Pac 12 schools.

Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

Target List Schools: VT, Pitt, FSU, Miami, Louisville, Syracuse, Clemson, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah

GoR can be adjusted if we take out a big boy team, or enough of them, even if it is a long shot.
https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/08/02/cl...20dollars.

My list would be similar. Pac 12 media deal is up first, shoot for the top. We know USC isn't happy with the Pac 12 and it would seem that a conference change to the Big 12 with primarily eastern & central exposure could resolve a lot of those issues. Who would we need to bring in to pluck USC? I'd put the Pac 12 teams to target at: USC, Stanford, Arizona St, Colorado, Arizona.

The ACC would be a much different obstacle because the Big 10 & SEC would also be involved in chopping them up if they're getting poached around 2030. To bullet point the scenario:
- Big 10 expands into the south poaching ACC schools (one of the Virginia schools, one of the North Carolina schools, Clemson, GT and one of the Florida schools)
- SEC grabs a North Carolina & Virginia school so they can fill in Dixie.
- Big 12 would be able to pick up Louisville, one of the Florida programs, Pitt and maybe VT.
Interesting part then is what conference does Notre Dame go to? History says they follow their old Big East friends and the Big 12 would have the majority of them at that point. And in a "super conference" scenario if we pull off poaching USC & Stanford before this ACC raid (which I think would be started by the Big 10) Notre Dame would be forced into a conference for football as well based off scheduling availability alone. So conference choices are Big 10 (literally founded to boycott and destroy ND), Big 12 with USC and Stanford or the SEC. I like our chances at that point.

I like your thought process and ambition. We must be sharks in the new world. We have been fed on for too long. There is value out there. Although I think the California schools are a pipe dream. USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford to the BIG 10 is the most likely scenario.

If we were really smart, we'd partner with CBS/Paramount+ for our TV contract, and include tiered escalation language based on added membership value. Go full blown scorched earth against ESPN. Sell our 2nd tier rights to Fox. More eyeballs are on CBS, Fox, and ABC than ESPN every single week.

(01-24-2022 07:00 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 06:40 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:03 PM)TXPoke Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:35 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 04:31 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Which old big east schools do you have in mind? UConn? usf?

Louisville would be the one I'd most like to have. But they're locked in a forever long GoR deal with the ACC.

The Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati when it added TCU and West Virginia. But that ship has sailed at this point.

Target List Schools: VT, Pitt, FSU, Miami, Louisville, Syracuse, Clemson, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah

GoR can be adjusted if we take out a big boy team, or enough of them, even if it is a long shot.
https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/08/02/cl...20dollars.

My list would be similar. Pac 12 media deal is up first, shoot for the top. We know USC isn't happy with the Pac 12 and it would seem that a conference change to the Big 12 with primarily eastern & central exposure could resolve a lot of those issues. Who would we need to bring in to pluck USC? I'd put the Pac 12 teams to target at: USC, Stanford, Arizona St, Colorado, Arizona.

The ACC would be a much different obstacle because the Big 10 & SEC would also be involved in chopping them up if they're getting poached around 2030. To bullet point the scenario:
- Big 10 expands into the south poaching ACC schools (one of the Virginia schools, one of the North Carolina schools, Clemson, GT and one of the Florida schools)
- SEC grabs a North Carolina & Virginia school so they can fill in Dixie.
- Big 12 would be able to pick up Louisville, one of the Florida programs, Pitt and maybe VT.
Interesting part then is what conference does Notre Dame go to? History says they follow their old Big East friends and the Big 12 would have the majority of them at that point. And in a "super conference" scenario if we pull off poaching USC & Stanford before this ACC raid (which I think would be started by the Big 10) Notre Dame would be forced into a conference for football as well based off scheduling availability alone. So conference choices are Big 10 (literally founded to boycott and destroy ND), Big 12 with USC and Stanford or the SEC. I like our chances at that point.

I like your thought process and ambition. We must be sharks in the new world. We have been fed on for too long. There is value out there. Although I think the California schools are a pipe dream. USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford to the BIG 10 is the most likely scenario.

If we were really smart, we'd partner with CBS/Paramount+ for our TV contract, and include tiered escalation language based on added membership value. Go full blown scorched earth against ESPN. Sell our 2nd tier rights to Fox. More eyeballs are on CBS, Fox, and ABC than ESPN every single week.

The common theme seems to be teams leaving to get away from Texas. It was also Texas that blew up the Pac 16 deal. I think the Big 10 would have more interest in expanding into the south over the west coast. They're already at 14, they don't have enough room to go west and south. South is more valuable in the world of CFB and a lot of alum's from Big 10 schools move south. I don't think the Big 12 would have much competition in a Pac 12 raid.