(12-16-2021 09:06 AM)MTBuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:24 PM)prosec34 Wrote:  I'm unsure why some of you coach-hiring experts think a new hire has to be made before a decent search is attempted.

Sanders announced his retirement Monday. 48 hours later, fans are demanding a particular person be hired, totally unknowing who else might be interested.

Chill.

Honest question. What are you looking for in a message board?

An honest question if Sanders had of been fired for going 1-10. An absurd question for a championship staff. The coaching staff for 2022 is right there in front of the administration — KEEP them before they start being hired away!!

(12-15-2021 02:30 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 11:54 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:58 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:50 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:34 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  My heart really wants it to be Billy Taylor. A guy who bleeds buc blue and was here at the end of the first version of football. He is an amazing coach. I will trust the leaders to make the right call but it would be a shame to see him gone from the University.

All he would need to do is hire one coach — a defensive coordinator, keep the rest of this championship crew, and move forward with little or no pause.

Yes

Wasn't Brown a DC at Kentucky for 5 years? Also Lewellyn has been around for long time, Just curious if they had anyone on staff who might be promoted up if Taylor does get the job.
IF he doesn't I wouldn't be surprised with near 100% turnover on coaching staff.

Totally agree.Taylor is the man. When a team goes 11-1 you keep the coaching staff together. Only one new coach will have to be hired and all the money that would have been spent on new coaches can now be put into recruiting. Only when a team goes 1-11 does it warrant cleaning house.

I would have said the same thing when Forbes left. Shay is the man, program is 30-4, keep him. Then Forbes took most of the assistants with him, and we know how the rest turned out. I wouldn’t always say promoting the assistants of a winning program is a slam dunk. I don’t know about Taylor or Rader, but there are some assistants that won’t make good head coaches. I don’t know these guys personally to be able to say, and I’ll bet many of the rest of you don’t either.

Shay was a disaster in most aspects. One of the most glaring was his lack of personality, which is a huge issue when you are the public face of a program. For those who know Taylor, does he have a personality that would fit the job?

(12-16-2021 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Shay was a disaster in most aspects. One of the most glaring was his lack of personality, which is a huge issue when you are the public face of a program. For those who know Taylor, does he have a personality that would fit the job?

My preference is a winning coach, not a public relations specialist. Aside from his commercials, Nick Saban ain’t exactly Mr Congeniality Alabama.

(12-16-2021 06:22 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Shay was a disaster in most aspects. One of the most glaring was his lack of personality, which is a huge issue when you are the public face of a program. For those who know Taylor, does he have a personality that would fit the job?

My preference is a winning coach, not a public relations specialist. Aside from his commercials, Nick Saban ain’t exactly Mr Congeniality Alabama.

You have to be both at this level in the high profile sports of basketball and football. If you don’t have a personality then you get a much shorter leash.

(12-16-2021 05:21 PM)Efan Wrote:  I would have said the same thing when Forbes left. Shay is the man, program is 30-4, keep him. Then Forbes took most of the assistants with him, and we know how the rest turned out. I wouldn’t always say promoting the assistants of a winning program is a slam dunk. I don’t know about Taylor or Rader, but there are some assistants that won’t make good head coaches. I don’t know these guys personally to be able to say, and I’ll bet many of the rest of you don’t either.

Yeah it turned out we had a worldwide pandemic that no coach had ever dreamed of having to deal with, other issues impacted his program that couldn't be foreseen, Players bailed on him and he caught up in the politics on campus.

I have no clue if Shay could have been/ will be a good coach, Maybe he is another LeForce, a great assistant but not a head guy. I don't know, you don't either (despite many on here being dead certain) if he could have won at ETSU.

If a first-year coach ever deserved a mulligan it was Shay. He wasn't my first choice, I understand why got it, Sorry it worked out the way it did but not that upset he left.
But I am not judging his ability based on last year.

Even Blue Blood programs helmed by HOF coaches struggled last year in those unchartered waters.
Duke 13-11 last year.
Kentucky 9-16

My point is, there were lots of people clamoring for Billy Taylor to be HC last time. Those posters weren't aware that Sanders was interested. I'm pretty sure no one today thinks that was the wrong choice. So let's let Carter do his job, look around, and if Taylor is the best choice, give it to him. We simply don't know.

It's easier to comment on such vacancies when it's UT, because there's so much more media exposure there. We simply don't have that with our small local media petrified of stirring things up. So we're just left not knowing what's going on.

I'm sure the job will be filled soon enough, and I trust Scott Carter will make a solid choice.

(12-16-2021 07:01 PM)prosec34 Wrote:  My point is, there were lots of people clamoring for Billy Taylor to be HC last time. Those posters weren't aware that Sanders was interested. I'm pretty sure no one today thinks that was the wrong choice. So let's let Carter do his job, look around, and if Taylor is the best choice, give it to him. We simply don't know.

It's easier to comment on such vacancies when it's UT, because there's so much more media exposure there. We simply don't have that with our small local media petrified of stirring things up. So we're just left not knowing what's going on.

I'm sure the job will be filled soon enough, and I trust Scott Carter will make a solid choice.

I don't follow football that closely so correct me I am wrong but I thought Taylor and Radar (why isn't he getting pushed at all by the board?) both wanted the job when football was brought back and when Sanders got it. If Taylor (or Radar for that matter) gets it seems to me that the other guy would be out of here.
Since neither was a Sanders guy (More ETSU guys) not sure there was any thought to coach in waiting, Sanders wasn't that old, I am sure Carter thought if he lost him it would be to a better job.

So even if Taylor gets the jobs that doesn't mean the coaching staff will stay.

Chances are high Dr. Sander will be on board for consultation. When he's not shooting free throws.......

https://www.timesnews.net/sports/finnega...9eefb.html

........I think he still has his finger at least somewhat on the pulse of things. And judging by Fulmer's still-current presence (of some sort), he's a mind that can be tapped, too. But Sander's rolodex, as mentioned here before Forbes was brought on board, is world-class and bulging full. Just look at the names in that article he reached out to for the FT thing. So with Sander, Fulmer, and (presumably) Sanders giving input, Carter should have a great pool of qualified candidates. I think Sander has pretty much been gold since he's come down here. With a selection group like that, headed, ultimately, by Noland, we should be just fine.

(12-15-2021 10:50 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:34 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  My heart really wants it to be Billy Taylor. A guy who bleeds buc blue and was here at the end of the first version of football. He is an amazing coach. I will trust the leaders to make the right call but it would be a shame to see him gone from the University.

All he would need to do is hire one coach — a defensive coordinator, keep the rest of this championship crew, and move forward with little or no pause.

Randy was the OC wether it was on paper or not. Need a OC and a QB coach and a DC. Not only was he on the cheap 200k, Randy was doing three jobs.

(12-15-2021 10:50 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 10:34 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  My heart really wants it to be Billy Taylor. A guy who bleeds buc blue and was here at the end of the first version of football. He is an amazing coach. I will trust the leaders to make the right call but it would be a shame to see him gone from the University.

All he would need to do is hire one coach — a defensive coordinator, keep the rest of this championship crew, and move forward with little or no pause.

Randy was the OC wether it was on paper or not. Need a OC and a QB coach and a DC. Not only was he on the cheap 200k, Randy was doing three jobs.

I understand that a lot of folks want to see Taylor get the position and I am not opposed to that, but I also think that Scott Carter would be remiss if he didn't go out and see who else may be interested. If he does that (and that appears to be what is happening) and we end up with Taylor or Radar, then I am much more at ease with that decision instead of turning around the next day after Sanders retires and automatically promoting someone on staff.

(12-17-2021 12:29 PM)ncrrt08 Wrote:  I understand that a lot of folks want to see Taylor get the position and I am not opposed to that, but I also think that Scott Carter would be remiss if he didn't go out and see who else may be interested. If he does that (and that appears to be what is happening) and we end up with Taylor or Radar, then I am much more at ease with that decision instead of turning around the next day after Sanders retires and automatically promoting someone on staff.

I keep coming back to this staff, a historic championship staff. Where will Carter find a better FCS staff than tis, unless he can bring in the entire JMU staff, for example?

(12-17-2021 12:58 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 12:29 PM)ncrrt08 Wrote:  I understand that a lot of folks want to see Taylor get the position and I am not opposed to that, but I also think that Scott Carter would be remiss if he didn't go out and see who else may be interested. If he does that (and that appears to be what is happening) and we end up with Taylor or Radar, then I am much more at ease with that decision instead of turning around the next day after Sanders retires and automatically promoting someone on staff.

I keep coming back to this staff, a historic championship staff. Where will Carter find a better FCS staff than tis, unless he can bring in the entire JMU staff, for example?

You are assuming the staff will stay if Taylor gets hired. I would be surprised if that happened. Those guys need to better their resume, with this ETSU season under their belts some might get other opporinties. Widen their networks.

Coaching assistants move around all the time for various reasons, just like the players.

It'd be nice to get some names of potential people we're talking to. We are fans of a program without any decent reporting at all.

Potential coach's school probably still playing football.

(12-16-2021 06:32 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:22 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Shay was a disaster in most aspects. One of the most glaring was his lack of personality, which is a huge issue when you are the public face of a program. For those who know Taylor, does he have a personality that would fit the job?

My preference is a winning coach, not a public relations specialist. Aside from his commercials, Nick Saban ain’t exactly Mr Congeniality Alabama.

You have to be both at this level in the high profile sports of basketball and football. If you don’t have a personality then you get a much shorter leash.

You mean in this age of slick shooting-the- bull (nicer way of saying it), you need to master that art as well if you want to be in the coaching business.

(12-19-2021 10:25 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:32 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:22 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Shay was a disaster in most aspects. One of the most glaring was his lack of personality, which is a huge issue when you are the public face of a program. For those who know Taylor, does he have a personality that would fit the job?

My preference is a winning coach, not a public relations specialist. Aside from his commercials, Nick Saban ain’t exactly Mr Congeniality Alabama.

You have to be both at this level in the high profile sports of basketball and football. If you don’t have a personality then you get a much shorter leash.

You mean in this age of slick shooting-the- bull (nicer way of saying it), you need to master that art as well if you want to be in the coaching business.

Unless you are at the very top of success (Saban, Belichick), yes you do have to be at least “good” at that skill.

The silence is telling me they are doing their due diligence in the selection. I still think it should be Billy Taylor but maybe they are talking to a major name who would be a huge splash hire. If he could retain the coaches and keep the program going it would be ok with me. I am just afraid that a new, outside coach might bring his own coaches and clean house. Maybe we learn something this week.

(12-19-2021 11:38 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  The silence is telling me they are doing their due diligence in the selection. I still think it should be Billy Taylor but maybe they are talking to a major name who would be a huge splash hire. If he could retain the coaches and keep the program going it would be ok with me. I am just afraid that a new, outside coach might bring his own coaches and clean house. Maybe we learn something this week.

If it is a splash hire as you say of course he is going to bring in his own people.
Even if it isn't he should. A coach is going to want to play his style, not come in and have to learn the style the school wants. Here, you are the coach, BUT keep these people and do it this way. That would be a hard pass from me.
You hire me to run the program let me run it or hire a stooge OR keep it in-house.
I still think it is not realistic that if Taylor gets hired, everyone stays and nothing changes.