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(12-12-2021 05:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 02:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 09:46 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Hate to be a dissenter, Gervin had a great NBA career. He was one of the greats. But he played one season at EMU and it ended horribly. Here is his college career in a nutshell:

Gervin received a scholarship to play under Coach Jerry Tarkanian at California State University, Long Beach, but he had such a culture shock that he returned home before the first semester was over.[6] He transferred to Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti, Michigan and averaged 29.5 points as a sophomore forward in 1971–72.[7]

While competing in an NCAA College Division national semifinal game in Evansville, Indiana, Gervin punched a Roanoke player. Gervin was suspended for the following season and eventually was removed from the team. Invitations to try out for the Olympic and Pan-American teams were withdrawn.

Meanwhile, NO ONE has done more for EMU basketball than Ben Braun. Absolutely NO ONE. Other people more worthy than George Gervin: Grant Long, Earl Boykins, Lorenzo Neely.

Ben Braun was a great coach but moved on. Never was a student at EMU.

George Gervin has been active in Game Above.

Earl Boykins is active in GameAbove.

https://www.gameabove.com/advisory-board

I would have no problem with Earl Boykins court at the George Gervin GameAbove Center.
Ummmm, John Wooden was never a student at UCLA, Tom Izzo was never a student at MSU. Of course Braun eventually moved on but not until after a Sweet 16 appearance (which will not happen again here in our lifetime or our kid's lifetime) and 3 other NCAA appearances and NIT appearances too. In fact, the Convo wouldn't exist without Ben Braun's success, Boykins wouldn't be at EMU without Braun going out on a limb for him. No one else wanted him...how many semesters did Gervin even complete at EMU? Not trying to rain on the parade but George Gervin was barely even at EMU and it was by default.

LOL - Heath will get EMU to the NCAA tournament in a couple of seasons. Once you’re in, with a little luck on seeding, anything is possible!
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(12-12-2021 05:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 05:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 02:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 09:46 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Hate to be a dissenter, Gervin had a great NBA career. He was one of the greats. But he played one season at EMU and it ended horribly. Here is his college career in a nutshell:

Gervin received a scholarship to play under Coach Jerry Tarkanian at California State University, Long Beach, but he had such a culture shock that he returned home before the first semester was over.[6] He transferred to Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti, Michigan and averaged 29.5 points as a sophomore forward in 1971–72.[7]

While competing in an NCAA College Division national semifinal game in Evansville, Indiana, Gervin punched a Roanoke player. Gervin was suspended for the following season and eventually was removed from the team. Invitations to try out for the Olympic and Pan-American teams were withdrawn.

Meanwhile, NO ONE has done more for EMU basketball than Ben Braun. Absolutely NO ONE. Other people more worthy than George Gervin: Grant Long, Earl Boykins, Lorenzo Neely.

Ben Braun was a great coach but moved on. Never was a student at EMU.

George Gervin has been active in Game Above.

Earl Boykins is active in GameAbove.

https://www.gameabove.com/advisory-board

I would have no problem with Earl Boykins court at the George Gervin GameAbove Center.
Ummmm, John Wooden was never a student at UCLA, Tom Izzo was never a student at MSU. Of course Braun eventually moved on but not until after a Sweet 16 appearance (which will not happen again here in our lifetime or our kid's lifetime) and 3 other NCAA appearances and NIT appearances too. In fact, the Convo wouldn't exist without Ben Braun's success, Boykins wouldn't be at EMU without Braun going out on a limb for him. No one else wanted him...how many semesters did Gervin even complete at EMU? Not trying to rain on the parade but George Gervin was barely even at EMU and it was by default.

What you say may be correct, but GameAbove is sponsoring it. Not some bunch of alums, boosters, or disinterested corporate interest, etc. It is their call whom they wish to honor.

GA is a bunch of EMU alums and fmr. students. They wished to honor one of their own.

They could in the future if they wish have "Earl Boykins Court at George Gervin GameAbove Center."

Questions: Are courts normally named after coaches or players or both? Aren't most named after coaches??? (that is a legitimate question. I can think of Dick Vitale at UDM, but no UDM player, Coach K, Roy Williams (?), etc).

Are any courts named after Abdul Jabbar, Shaq, Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, etc.

EDIT: This is the dispute at Maryland and some details, including who put up the $.

"Before the Williams dedication was approved, Driesell denounced the plan in an e-mail to the university chancellor, stating that it was “not fair to my players.” Turns out, some devoted fans of Williams made a substantial donation. The university denied that financial contributions had played a role in its decision.

Gary Williams Court was unveiled before a Duke-Maryland game on Jan. 25. Driesell maintained his position in an interview with The Washington Post.

“I don’t think his name — or anybody’s name — should be on the Maryland basketball court,” he said, calling it “an insult” to past players who helped build a successful program.

Bob enjoys playing the role of contrarian, usually in a feeble attempt to discredit another poster. This time, however, he does have a valid point. If the naming rights to the Convo were based solely on the level of contribution to EMU basketball success, Ben Braun and Earl Boykins are far more deserving.

EMU has a horrible legacy of honoring past successes. I remember the absolute lame remembrance celebration of the 1987 football team's MAC Championship and its win in the California Bowl. That bowl win was the ONLY win the MAC had in SIX years, a fabulous accomplishment for sure! Braun, Boykins and Grant Long should have some kind of presence at the Convo but they do not. A statue for Braun, a huge picture of Earl and Grant over the ticket office, just something other than a simple over the court banner of the team championship. Baseball actually does the best job at Oestrike.

All of that said, Game Above ponied up the $2.7M for the naming rights. Ben Braun is NOT a member of their advisory committee and while Earl is, Game Above chose to name the facility the Gervin Center. George has lived an exemplary life since attending EMU, I have no objection to him and I have 2,700,000 reasons that the arena will have his name on it.
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(12-12-2021 07:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 05:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 05:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 02:43 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2021 09:46 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Hate to be a dissenter, Gervin had a great NBA career. He was one of the greats. But he played one season at EMU and it ended horribly. Here is his college career in a nutshell:

Gervin received a scholarship to play under Coach Jerry Tarkanian at California State University, Long Beach, but he had such a culture shock that he returned home before the first semester was over.[6] He transferred to Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti, Michigan and averaged 29.5 points as a sophomore forward in 1971–72.[7]

While competing in an NCAA College Division national semifinal game in Evansville, Indiana, Gervin punched a Roanoke player. Gervin was suspended for the following season and eventually was removed from the team. Invitations to try out for the Olympic and Pan-American teams were withdrawn.

Meanwhile, NO ONE has done more for EMU basketball than Ben Braun. Absolutely NO ONE. Other people more worthy than George Gervin: Grant Long, Earl Boykins, Lorenzo Neely.

Ben Braun was a great coach but moved on. Never was a student at EMU.

George Gervin has been active in Game Above.

Earl Boykins is active in GameAbove.

https://www.gameabove.com/advisory-board

I would have no problem with Earl Boykins court at the George Gervin GameAbove Center.
Ummmm, John Wooden was never a student at UCLA, Tom Izzo was never a student at MSU. Of course Braun eventually moved on but not until after a Sweet 16 appearance (which will not happen again here in our lifetime or our kid's lifetime) and 3 other NCAA appearances and NIT appearances too. In fact, the Convo wouldn't exist without Ben Braun's success, Boykins wouldn't be at EMU without Braun going out on a limb for him. No one else wanted him...how many semesters did Gervin even complete at EMU? Not trying to rain on the parade but George Gervin was barely even at EMU and it was by default.

What you say may be correct, but GameAbove is sponsoring it. Not some bunch of alums, boosters, or disinterested corporate interest, etc. It is their call whom they wish to honor.

GA is a bunch of EMU alums and fmr. students. They wished to honor one of their own.

They could in the future if they wish have "Earl Boykins Court at George Gervin GameAbove Center."

Questions: Are courts normally named after coaches or players or both? Aren't most named after coaches??? (that is a legitimate question. I can think of Dick Vitale at UDM, but no UDM player, Coach K, Roy Williams (?), etc).

Are any courts named after Abdul Jabbar, Shaq, Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, etc.

EDIT: This is the dispute at Maryland and some details, including who put up the $.

"Before the Williams dedication was approved, Driesell denounced the plan in an e-mail to the university chancellor, stating that it was “not fair to my players.” Turns out, some devoted fans of Williams made a substantial donation. The university denied that financial contributions had played a role in its decision.

Gary Williams Court was unveiled before a Duke-Maryland game on Jan. 25. Driesell maintained his position in an interview with The Washington Post.

“I don’t think his name — or anybody’s name — should be on the Maryland basketball court,” he said, calling it “an insult” to past players who helped build a successful program.

Bob enjoys playing the role of contrarian, usually in a feeble attempt to discredit another poster. This time, however, he does have a valid point. If the naming rights to the Convo were based solely on the level of contribution to EMU basketball success, Ben Braun and Earl Boykins are far more deserving.

EMU has a horrible legacy of honoring past successes. I remember the absolute lame remembrance celebration of the 1987 football team's MAC Championship and its win in the California Bowl. That bowl win was the ONLY win the MAC had in SIX years, a fabulous accomplishment for sure! Braun, Boykins and Grant Long should have some kind of presence at the Convo but they do not. A statue for Braun, a huge picture of Earl and Grant over the ticket office, just something other than a simple over the court banner of the team championship. Baseball actually does the best job at Oestrike.

All of that said, Game Above ponied up the $2.7M for the naming rights. Ben Braun is NOT a member of their advisory committee and while Earl is, Game Above chose to name the facility the Gervin Center. George has lived an exemplary life since attending EMU, I have no objection to him and I have 2,700,000 reasons that the arena will have his name on it.

And it is for 24 years...

“I think all of you 24 was George’s number as an athlete and still carries great semblance for George and I want to say that for the next 24 years this building’s going to have a little bit of a different name to it, it’s going to have a little different ring to it. It’s going to have a name that’s not corporate, that doesn’t say a big industrial name. It’s going to say an outstanding athlete. In partnership with GameAbove, we as Eastern Michigan University, I as president, regent [Michelle] Crumm as one of our regents, have great pleasure to dedicate the naming of this arena to Mr. George Gervin."

As I suggested before, and as Jerry has, Ben Braun is not part of GameAbove. He is in the EMU HOF as is Boykins. Don't know if they retired his suit jacket. 03-lmfao

How should Boykins be honored other than retired his jersey and EMU HOF? (That's actually a lot. He was not forgotten).

I might be wrong, but I do not know of a court named for a player. I'll have to think about Kobe because of the circumstances of his way too early death. I believe they named a street outside Staples Center.
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Just to help Steve. The interweb is a cool thing!

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/colleg...es.990522/
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(12-13-2021 07:38 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Just to help Steve. The interweb is a cool thing!

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/colleg...es.990522/

Cool. I try to form intelligent Google questions: "Is Bob W. ....?" Seriously, I did search for courts named for coaches. Also for players. I do not know that any COURT is named for Kobe. And if any player has a court named for him, it should be the "Kobe Bryant Memorial Court at ..."
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I just think it is a dangerous precedent letting boosters call the shots for a public university. This thing could get sideways real quick.
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(12-13-2021 07:48 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I just think it is a dangerous precedent letting boosters call the shots for a public university. This thing could get sideways real quick.

oh man are you going to be pissed when you hear about literally every division 1 football program and most bastketball programs in america
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(12-13-2021 07:48 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I just think it is a dangerous precedent letting boosters call the shots for a public university. This thing could get sideways real quick.

Why? The item went before the BOR and they approved it.

Sideways: Maybe one of our rich alums, upon the recommendation of this forum, could pledge 250K over 10 years for the Bob W. court at the George Gervin...

Now that would be sideways... 03-lmfao 03-lmfao
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My goodness. There is absolutely nothing controversial about naming the arena after George Gervin. There is absolutely nothing controversial about how much GameAbove has given back to the university- in athletics and beyond.

It is a rare honor that literally one of the greatest basketball players of all time played at EMU. And it is an honor that he has maintained such a good relationship with the university (he has been stopping into EMU games as long as I have been watching). And it is both an honor and VERY FITTING that the BASKETBALL arena is named after him.

Aside from the VERY RARE, DESERVING, AND APPROPRIATELY PLACED honor, think of what the name recognition does for the university and basketball program. A recruit coming to visit the Gervin Center or the Braun Center? How about someone not affiliated with the university coming for a graduation or other such event? They will be much more intrigued/impressed by Gervin Center than the Braun Center- maybe even more interested in coming for a game thereafter or sending their kid to school there, etc.

BobW’s comments are so absurd on so many levels. You can do what you want, but I always recommend to just ignore BobW.
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(12-13-2021 10:48 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  My goodness. There is absolutely nothing controversial about naming the arena after George Gervin. There is absolutely nothing controversial about how much GameAbove has given back to the university- in athletics and beyond.

It is a rare honor that literally one of the greatest basketball players of all time played at EMU. And it is an honor that he has maintained such a good relationship with the university (he has been stopping into EMU games as long as I have been watching). And it is both an honor and VERY FITTING that the BASKETBALL arena is named after him.

Aside from the VERY RARE, DESERVING, AND APPROPRIATELY PLACED honor, think of what the name recognition does for the university and basketball program. A recruit coming to visit the Gervin Center or the Braun Center? How about someone not affiliated with the university coming for a graduation or other such event? They will be much more intrigued/impressed by Gervin Center than the Braun Center- maybe even more interested in coming for a game thereafter or sending their kid to school there, etc.

BobW’s comments are so absurd on so many levels. You can do what you want, but I always recommend to just ignore BobW.

Ramy, so well said we should pin your post!!!!

Well done!!!
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(12-13-2021 10:48 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  My goodness. There is absolutely nothing controversial about naming the arena after George Gervin. There is absolutely nothing controversial about how much GameAbove has given back to the university- in athletics and beyond.

It is a rare honor that literally one of the greatest basketball players of all time played at EMU. And it is an honor that he has maintained such a good relationship with the university (he has been stopping into EMU games as long as I have been watching). And it is both an honor and VERY FITTING that the BASKETBALL arena is named after him.

Aside from the VERY RARE, DESERVING, AND APPROPRIATELY PLACED honor, think of what the name recognition does for the university and basketball program. A recruit coming to visit the Gervin Center or the Braun Center? How about someone not affiliated with the university coming for a graduation or other such event? They will be much more intrigued/impressed by Gervin Center than the Braun Center- maybe even more interested in coming for a game thereafter or sending their kid to school there, etc.

BobW’s comments are so absurd on so many levels. You can do what you want, but I always recommend to just ignore BobW.

#IgnoreBobW ?????
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Bob is on my ignore list
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(12-13-2021 03:51 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Bob is on my ignore list
Oooh that hurts! The village idiot in a safari hat is ignoring me!
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(12-13-2021 10:48 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  My goodness. There is absolutely nothing controversial about naming the arena after George Gervin. There is absolutely nothing controversial about how much GameAbove has given back to the university- in athletics and beyond.

It is a rare honor that literally one of the greatest basketball players of all time played at EMU. And it is an honor that he has maintained such a good relationship with the university (he has been stopping into EMU games as long as I have been watching). And it is both an honor and VERY FITTING that the BASKETBALL arena is named after him.

Aside from the VERY RARE, DESERVING, AND APPROPRIATELY PLACED honor, think of what the name recognition does for the university and basketball program. A recruit coming to visit the Gervin Center or the Braun Center? How about someone not affiliated with the university coming for a graduation or other such event? They will be much more intrigued/impressed by Gervin Center than the Braun Center- maybe even more interested in coming for a game thereafter or sending their kid to school there, etc.

BobW’s comments are so absurd on so many levels. You can do what you want, but I always recommend to just ignore BobW.
His three semesters at Eastern were absolutely stellar!
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(12-13-2021 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-13-2021 10:48 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  My goodness. There is absolutely nothing controversial about naming the arena after George Gervin. There is absolutely nothing controversial about how much GameAbove has given back to the university- in athletics and beyond.

It is a rare honor that literally one of the greatest basketball players of all time played at EMU. And it is an honor that he has maintained such a good relationship with the university (he has been stopping into EMU games as long as I have been watching). And it is both an honor and VERY FITTING that the BASKETBALL arena is named after him.

Aside from the VERY RARE, DESERVING, AND APPROPRIATELY PLACED honor, think of what the name recognition does for the university and basketball program. A recruit coming to visit the Gervin Center or the Braun Center? How about someone not affiliated with the university coming for a graduation or other such event? They will be much more intrigued/impressed by Gervin Center than the Braun Center- maybe even more interested in coming for a game thereafter or sending their kid to school there, etc.

BobW’s comments are so absurd on so many levels. You can do what you want, but I always recommend to just ignore BobW.

#IgnoreBobW ?????
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(12-13-2021 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-13-2021 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-13-2021 10:48 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  My goodness. There is absolutely nothing controversial about naming the arena after George Gervin. There is absolutely nothing controversial about how much GameAbove has given back to the university- in athletics and beyond.

It is a rare honor that literally one of the greatest basketball players of all time played at EMU. And it is an honor that he has maintained such a good relationship with the university (he has been stopping into EMU games as long as I have been watching). And it is both an honor and VERY FITTING that the BASKETBALL arena is named after him.

Aside from the VERY RARE, DESERVING, AND APPROPRIATELY PLACED honor, think of what the name recognition does for the university and basketball program. A recruit coming to visit the Gervin Center or the Braun Center? How about someone not affiliated with the university coming for a graduation or other such event? They will be much more intrigued/impressed by Gervin Center than the Braun Center- maybe even more interested in coming for a game thereafter or sending their kid to school there, etc.

BobW’s comments are so absurd on so many levels. You can do what you want, but I always recommend to just ignore BobW.

#IgnoreBobW ?????
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Man how can you be such a blowhard when you eagerly accepted a $20K bet on this site and ABSOLUTELY WELCHED on it? We all saw it, yet you think anyone takes your posts seriously? You are pitiful, to say the least.
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Sam posted a Twitter about McBride POW honors on another thread, but this tweet is right below it and caught my eye. Pretty cool! We have an NBA hall of faker in attendance and arena dedicated to him, and another hall of famer tweeting about it!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/MagicJohnson/...7875445768
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(12-13-2021 09:17 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Sam posted a Twitter about McBride POW honors on another thread, but this tweet is right below it and caught my eye. Pretty cool! We have an NBA hall of faker in attendance and arena dedicated to him, and another hall of famer tweeting about it!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/MagicJohnson/...7875445768

Awesome!! Thanks magic for recognizing the Iceman!!
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