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(02-10-2022 02:31 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  In CUSA 4.0, will New Mexico St be the farthest member from Tech? Just eyeballing it, it seems that FIU, Liberty and NMST are all about equidistant from Tech.

Just wondering because in 2005-12 WAC, NMST was our closest conference opponent and now they might be our farthest.

Liberty and FIU are further but not by much.
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(02-10-2022 12:07 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Here is another stat I looked using the NCAA NET data as of 02.08.22. Below shows the number of Quad 1 wins and the number of Quad 4 loses (AKA good wins vs bad loses) with current members and future members.

Current AAC
Quad 1 wins - 11
Quad 4 loses - 8

Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 10
Quad 4 loses - 15

Future AAC has 1 less Quad 1 win and 7 more Quad 4 loses

Current CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 4
Quad 4 loses - 21

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 loses - 9

Future CUSA has 1 less Quad 1 win and 12 less Quad 4 loses

Current SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 loses - 22

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 loses - 28

Future SBC will still have 0 Quad 1 wins and 6 more Quad 4 loses

I am hoping the absolute best for the SBC bound schools, but it’s hard to even sugarcoat the basketball there to sound good. Which I hate for ODU and Marshall which are traditionally pretty solid basketball teams. Honestly, ODU might be a perennial tourney team by winning SBC every year, although they’d probably be a first 4 team. Everyone in this weird experiment of a conference has made it fun and I hate this version of CUSA never hit on full cylinders.

Also I think that shows the difference between new AAC and new CUSA. The average is the same, literally by one point, but the new AAC has such a good top-end that you’re going to have many many more chances at in- conference Q1 wins. For example, the new CUSA will have zero chances as it stands. Maybe a road win at LaTech could, but they’re currently out of range of that. It appears any new look CUSA Q1 wins have to be handled OOC. Which is pretty much the same as current CUSA and what has led to being a one bid league. The new AAC will have UAB, Witchita, North Texas, Memphis, SMU all in Quad 1 win territory. Depending on how Aresco can handle the scheduling, could be multiple opportunities. As we have been told recently, they don’t necessarily look at *your* NET when seeding and granting at-large bids, they look at the NET of your wins. If UAB, for instance, played in new AAC this season with same OOC schedule, that’s an opportunity for 7 Q1 wins, maybe more depending on the conference tournament neutral site games. Go 5-2 or 4-3 and that’s solid at-large territory. Even Houston, a lock for the tournament, has a losing record against Q1 teams currently. Additionally, I think the bad teams in new AAC could win occasionally, like USF or UTSA, and still leave you in at-large range like Alabama losing to TWO sub 200 teams in SEC play and still a projected 6 seed.

That said, I hope shrinking the league down and adding some decent programs can propel CUSA up. I’d like to see it be multi-bid (hopefully stealing what would have been an SEC bid lol) but I don’t see how losing your two Q1 win opportunities and replacing them with lower quality wins could bring multi-bid level. Hope I’m wrong. UTEP and WKU representing new CUSA in tourney would be dope.
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Seems the SB3 are bringing down the CUSA and should be removed as quick as possible. #SAVETHENET
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NET rankings thru 2.12

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
UAB 41
North Texas 43
Louisiana Tech 95
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 122
Fla. Atlantic 127
UTEP 155
Charlotte 181
Rice 192
Old Dominion 230
FIU 246
Marshall 254
Southern Miss. 329
UTSA 333
Average 176

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 82
Louisiana Tech 95
Liberty 102
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 122
UTEP 155
Jacksonville St. 157
Sam Houston 162
FIU 246
Average 137

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
Big East 67
MWC 107
A-10 129
CUSA 137
AAC 136
MVC 151
SBC 204
MAC 205

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <31> spots
CUSA rises 39 spots
SBC drops <6> spots
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Here is another stat I looked using the NCAA NET data as of 02.12.22. Below shows the number of Quad 1 wins and the number of Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad loses) with current members and future members.

Current AAC
Quad 1 wins - 12
Quad 4 losses - 8

Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 11
Quad 4 losses - 16

Future AAC has 1 less Quad 1 win and 8 more Quad 4 losses

Current CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 4
Quad 4 losses - 24

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 2
Quad 4 losses - 12

Future CUSA has 2 less Quad 1 win and 12 less Quad 4 losses

Current SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 38

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 44 (more than the new AAC and CUSA combined - ouch!)

Future SBC will still have 0 Quad 1 wins and 6 more Quad 4 losses
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(02-13-2022 01:28 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  NET rankings thru 2.12

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
UAB 41
North Texas 43
Louisiana Tech 95
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 122
Fla. Atlantic 127
UTEP 155
Charlotte 181
Rice 192
Old Dominion 230
FIU 246
Marshall 254
Southern Miss. 329
UTSA 333
Average 176

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 82
Louisiana Tech 95
Liberty 102
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 122
UTEP 155
Jacksonville St. 157
Sam Houston 162
FIU 246
Average 137

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
Big East 67
MWC 107
A-10 129
CUSA 137
AAC 136
MVC 151
SBC 204
MAC 205

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <31> spots
CUSA rises 39 spots
SBC drops <6> spots

UAB is going to tumble after dropping that home game against ODU today.
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(02-13-2022 05:56 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(02-13-2022 01:28 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  NET rankings thru 2.12

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
UAB 41
North Texas 43
Louisiana Tech 95
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 122
Fla. Atlantic 127
UTEP 155
Charlotte 181
Rice 192
Old Dominion 230
FIU 246
Marshall 254
Southern Miss. 329
UTSA 333
Average 176

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 82
Louisiana Tech 95
Liberty 102
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 122
UTEP 155
Jacksonville St. 157
Sam Houston 162
FIU 246
Average 137

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
Big East 67
MWC 107
A-10 129
CUSA 137
AAC 136
MVC 151
SBC 204
MAC 205

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <31> spots
CUSA rises 39 spots
SBC drops <6> spots

UAB is going to tumble after dropping that home game against ODU today.

That wasn’t a home game.
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We have sucked it up lately.
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(02-13-2022 06:07 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  We have sucked it up lately.

Don't be too hard on your team. Your above 200 NET might be the 3rd worst in the new CUSA, but it would be the 3rd best if you were in the new SBC. 03-lmfao
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(02-13-2022 10:13 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  
(02-13-2022 06:07 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  We have sucked it up lately.

Don't be too hard on your team. Your above 200 NET might be the 3rd worst in the new CUSA, but it would be the 3rd best if you were in the new SBC. 03-lmfao

I had to look this up after reading this and sure enough, Jacksonville State would be 3rd in the SBC.
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NET rankings thru 2.17

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
North Texas 41
UAB 46
Louisiana Tech 104
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 123
Fla. Atlantic 130
UTEP 160
Charlotte 191
Rice 197
Old Dominion 219
Marshall 236
FIU 245
UTSA 328
Southern Miss. 339
Average 177
SBC picking up 3 of 5 lowest ranked CUSA programs

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 89
Louisiana Tech 104
Liberty 106
Middle Tenn. 115
Western Ky. 123
Jacksonville St. 151
Sam Houston 156
UTEP 160
FIU 245
Average 139
New CUSA with no teams in the 300's and only one in the 200's.

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
Big East 66
MWC 108
A-10 129
AAC 137
CUSA 139
MVC 151
SBC 203
MAC 208

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <31> spots
CUSA rises 38 spots
SBC drops <4> spots
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Below shows the number of Quad 1 wins and the number of Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad loses) with current members and future members with NET data as of 02.17.22.

Current AAC
Quad 1 wins - 8
Quad 4 losses - 12

Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 8
Quad 4 losses - 18

Future AAC has no change in Quad 1 wins and 6 more Quad 4 losses

Current CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 26

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 2
Quad 4 losses - 14

Future CUSA has 1 less Quad 1 wins and 12 less Quad 4 losses

Current SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 39

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 47 (more than the new AAC and CUSA combined)

Future SBC will still have 0 Quad 1 wins and 8 more Quad 4 losses

The new CUSA looks like the biggest winner here by dropping a lot of programs with Quad 4 losses and the SBC is the biggest loser here by adding programs with Quad 4 losses when it already had the most Quad 4 losses.
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The link below is only available for ESPN+ subscribers, however here is one line from the article concerning the NET rankings from last year. Currently, UNT 41 and UAB at 46 are on the bubble using NET data from a couple days ago.

Quote:The top 41 teams in the NET rankings all heard their names called. Conversely, no team ranked lower than No. 72 earned an at-large bid.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...tion-drama
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(02-19-2022 12:50 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  The link below is only available for ESPN+ subscribers, however here is one line from the article concerning the NET rankings from last year. Currently, UAB 41 and UNT at 46 are on the bubble using NET data from a couple days ago.

Quote:The top 41 teams in the NET rankings all heard their names called. Conversely, no team ranked lower than No. 72 earned an at-large bid.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...tion-drama

UNT is currently setting at #41 in the NET. UAB is a few spots back. I'd be interested to know how the numbers differ among the non-power conference programs. Who was the worst ranked mid-major to earn an at-large spot in the tournament last year?
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NET rankings thru 2.19

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
North Texas 38
UAB 49
Louisiana Tech 102
Middle Tenn. 107
Western Ky. 120
Fla. Atlantic 130
UTEP 157
Charlotte 177
Rice 205
Old Dominion 219
FIU 240
Marshall 247
UTSA 329
Southern Miss. 341
Average 176

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 82
Louisiana Tech 102
Middle Tenn. 107
Liberty 111
Western Ky. 120
Jacksonville St. 153
UTEP 157
Sam Houston 163
FIU 240
Average 137

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
I'm dropping the other conference averages in the interest of time.
AAC 137
CUSA 137
SBC 203

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <31> spots
CUSA rises 37 spots
SBC drops <4> spots

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Below shows the number of Quad 1 wins and the number of Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad losses) with current members and future members with NET data as of 02.19.22.

Current AAC
Quad 1 wins - 9
Quad 4 losses - 13

Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 9
Quad 4 losses - 20

Future AAC has no change in Quad 1 wins and 7 more Quad 4 losses

Current CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 4
Quad 4 losses - 26

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 13

Future CUSA has 1 less Quad 1 wins and 13 less Quad 4 losses (Quad 4 losses have been cut in half)

Current SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 44

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 50 (over 3 times more than the new CUSA)

Future SBC will still have 0 Quad 1 wins and 9 more Quad 4 losses. Out of 32 total conference, the SBC is one of only five conferences that doesn't have a single Quad 1 win.
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Sitting here watching the Daytona 500 and have the data here, so looked at the Quad 1 wins vs Quad 4 losses going back a few seasons.

NET data from 2019-20
Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 10
Quad 4 losses - 35

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 2
Quad 4 losses - 18

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 57

NET data from 2020-21
Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 8
Quad 4 losses - 10

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 20

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 53

NET data from 2021-22
Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 9
Quad 4 losses - 20

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 13

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 50
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UNT moves up to #37 in the NET. 04-rock
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(02-20-2022 06:24 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Sitting here watching the Daytona 500 and have the data here, so looked at the Quad 1 wins vs Quad 4 losses going back a few seasons.

NET data from 2019-20
Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 10
Quad 4 losses - 35

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 2
Quad 4 losses - 18

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 57

NET data from 2020-21
Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 8
Quad 4 losses - 10

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 20

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 53

NET data from 2021-22
Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 9
Quad 4 losses - 20

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 13

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 50

There are no UTSA basketball fans posting on here (and for good reason), but I don't believe they'll be down for long. They seem to have an AD who won't accept the kind of on-court disaster the Roadrunners have been this year, and I expect they will improve in the coming years coinciding with a new coach and move to the AAC. They may never be great unless they build arena that looks like D-1, but they should at least expect FAU-type results.
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The spread on today's game between UNT and LA Tech was 6, and UNT beat the Dawgs by 7, so the Mean Green should get a little bump in the NET. That seems to be the trend I've noticed. When teams don't cover the spread they fall. When they beat the spread they rise.
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NET data thru 2.26

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
North Texas 38
UAB 53
Middle Tenn. 98
Louisiana Tech 104
Western Ky. 124
Fla. Atlantic 136
UTEP 171
Charlotte 179
Old Dominion 198
Rice 207
Marshall 240
FIU 248
UTSA 332
Southern Miss. 342
Average 176

Future CUSA
New Mexico St. 87
Middle Tenn. 98
Louisiana Tech 104
Liberty 116
Western Ky. 124
Jacksonville St. 138
UTEP 171
Sam Houston 177
FIU 248
Average 140

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
AAC 137
CUSA 140
SBC 200

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <31> spots
CUSA rises 36 spots
SBC drops <3> spots

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Below shows the number of Quad 1 wins and the number of Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad losses) with current members and future members.

Current AAC
Quad 1 wins - 9
Quad 4 losses - 11

Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 10
Quad 4 losses - 20

Future AAC has one more Quad 1 wins and 9 more Quad 4 losses

Current CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 4
Quad 4 losses - 34

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 18

Future CUSA has 1 less Quad 1 wins and 16 less Quad 4 losses

Current SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 38

Future SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 49

Future SBC will still have 0 Quad 1 wins and 11 more Quad 4 losses. Out of 32 total conference, the SBC is one of seven conferences that doesn't have a single Quad 1 win and the only one that has FBS football.
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