(12-01-2021 05:36 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

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Ja’Quan wasn’t happy.

Glad he’s not happy. That means he’ll bring the competitive fire and spirit even more next year.

(12-01-2021 07:27 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  The only thing you really need to do is look at NFL mock drafts. See where the NFL values them and the answer will be clear. Both are great players, but Gardner is special IMO.

that would be a terrible judge .... measurables come into play in prospect rankings

ask any houston fan who was a better db in college trevon stewart or Isaiah Johnson... if we made a poll 99% of them would say stewart
stewart was the leader of houston db era of the "jackboyz"
stewart didnt only go undrafted he wasnt picked up by a single team as an udfa.. Stewart dominated in college but no one is looking for a 5'9 160lb 4.6 40 db..

stewart was lauded as outmatched as a college player at houston, who was regularly beaten, but being 6'2 and running a 4.3 40 got him an extremely high draft pick

(12-01-2021 07:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:27 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  The only thing you really need to do is look at NFL mock drafts. See where the NFL values them and the answer will be clear. Both are great players, but Gardner is special IMO.

that would be a terrible judge .... measurables come into play in prospect rankings

ask any houston fan who was a better db in college trevon stewart or Isaiah Johnson... if we made a poll 99% of them would say stewart
stewart was the leader of houston db era of the "jackboyz"
stewart didnt only go undrafted he wasnt picked up by a single team as an udfa.. Stewart dominated in college but no one is looking for a 5'9 160lb 4.6 40 db..

stewart was lauded as outmatched as a college player at houston, who was regularly beaten, but being 6'2 and running a 4.3 40 got him an extremely high draft pick

So based on your response I am guessing Gardner is really high on the mock draft boards and Marcus Jones is not so high? Jones will be drafted as a return specialist. Gardner is a shutdown corner. Someone you put on the best wide receiver. He will have a long NFL career if he stays healthy.

(12-01-2021 07:49 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:27 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  The only thing you really need to do is look at NFL mock drafts. See where the NFL values them and the answer will be clear. Both are great players, but Gardner is special IMO.

that would be a terrible judge .... measurables come into play in prospect rankings

ask any houston fan who was a better db in college trevon stewart or Isaiah Johnson... if we made a poll 99% of them would say stewart
stewart was the leader of houston db era of the "jackboyz"
stewart didnt only go undrafted he wasnt picked up by a single team as an udfa.. Stewart dominated in college but no one is looking for a 5'9 160lb 4.6 40 db..

stewart was lauded as outmatched as a college player at houston, who was regularly beaten, but being 6'2 and running a 4.3 40 got him an extremely high draft pick

So based on your response I am guessing Gardner is really high on the mock draft boards and Marcus Jones is not so high? Jones will be drafted as a return specialist. Gardner is a shutdown corner. Someone you put on the best wide receiver. He will have a long NFL career if he stays healthy.

right now jones is seen a mid round ,based on size ..(jones not very big).. but at minium as you noted he will get drafted on production and special teams..
but i think he will shoot up when the combine comes, we have a sneaking suspicion he is going to put up an insane 40 in the cmbine... marquez stevenson (houston wr) was considered one of the fastest player in college football last year..jones reportedly beat him a race accorfing to their twitter

also jones is shut down too... again he is top 5 in almost every db stat for the season (in total stats).. he was a WR for fun the 1st 3 games (to build hype)...he likely leads the nation in every db stat category if he plays the full season at db

(12-01-2021 07:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:49 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:27 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  The only thing you really need to do is look at NFL mock drafts. See where the NFL values them and the answer will be clear. Both are great players, but Gardner is special IMO.

that would be a terrible judge .... measurables come into play in prospect rankings

ask any houston fan who was a better db in college trevon stewart or Isaiah Johnson... if we made a poll 99% of them would say stewart
stewart was the leader of houston db era of the "jackboyz"
stewart didnt only go undrafted he wasnt picked up by a single team as an udfa.. Stewart dominated in college but no one is looking for a 5'9 160lb 4.6 40 db..

stewart was lauded as outmatched as a college player at houston, who was regularly beaten, but being 6'2 and running a 4.3 40 got him an extremely high draft pick

So based on your response I am guessing Gardner is really high on the mock draft boards and Marcus Jones is not so high? Jones will be drafted as a return specialist. Gardner is a shutdown corner. Someone you put on the best wide receiver. He will have a long NFL career if he stays healthy.

right now jones is seen a mid round ,based on size ..(jones not very big).. but at minium as you noted he will get drafted on production and special teams..
but i think he will shoot up when the combine comes, we have a sneaking suspicion he is going to put up an insane 40 in the cmbine... marquez stevenson (houston wr) was considered one of the fastest player in college football last year..jones reportedly beat him a race accorfing to their twitter

also jones is shut down too... again he is top 5 in almost every db stat for the season (in total stats).. he was a WR for fun the 1st 3 games (to build hype)...he likely leads the nation in every db stat category if he plays the full season at db

Just the ST returner aspect, Jones is amazing.

(12-01-2021 07:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:49 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 07:27 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  The only thing you really need to do is look at NFL mock drafts. See where the NFL values them and the answer will be clear. Both are great players, but Gardner is special IMO.

that would be a terrible judge .... measurables come into play in prospect rankings

ask any houston fan who was a better db in college trevon stewart or Isaiah Johnson... if we made a poll 99% of them would say stewart
stewart was the leader of houston db era of the "jackboyz"
stewart didnt only go undrafted he wasnt picked up by a single team as an udfa.. Stewart dominated in college but no one is looking for a 5'9 160lb 4.6 40 db..

stewart was lauded as outmatched as a college player at houston, who was regularly beaten, but being 6'2 and running a 4.3 40 got him an extremely high draft pick

So based on your response I am guessing Gardner is really high on the mock draft boards and Marcus Jones is not so high? Jones will be drafted as a return specialist. Gardner is a shutdown corner. Someone you put on the best wide receiver. He will have a long NFL career if he stays healthy.

right now jones is seen a mid round ,based on size ..(jones not very big).. but at minium as you noted he will get drafted on production and special teams..
but i think he will shoot up when the combine comes, we have a sneaking suspicion he is going to put up an insane 40 in the cmbine... marquez stevenson (houston wr) was considered one of the fastest player in college football last year..jones reportedly beat him a race accorfing to their twitter

also jones is shut down too... again he is top 5 in almost every db stat for the season (in total stats).. he was a WR for fun the 1st 3 games (to build hype)...he likely leads the nation in every db stat category if he plays the full season at db

Well he's going up against a future NFL receiver (likely day 2 pick) on Saturday. Let's see how he does.

Saw this insane stat on Sauce in Football Outsiders preview of the UC v. Houston game.

Quote:Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner has allowed a remarkable -0.2 adjusted yards per attempt

Filthy.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/7th-da...ship-chaos

More insane Sauce stats.

Quote:Gardner allowed fewer than 20 yards in every single one of his 12 starts and allowed only 96 yards in total across 390 regular-season coverage snaps (0.25 yards per coverage snap). Of those 390 snaps, 325 of them came in press coverage.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-footbal...i-bearcats

Interesting that Marcus Jones was not consensus 1st team return specialist. I assume Massey got at least one 1st place vote since he was 2nd team. Massey is a great return man, but better than Jones? Anyone else who might have got that vote?

Also Ridder wasn't consensus QB. I wonder who had a vote over him.

Does anyone know where to see the voting details?

(12-03-2021 04:30 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  Interesting that Marcus Jones was not consensus 1st team return specialist. I assume Massey got at least one 1st place vote since he was 2nd team. Massey is a great return man, but better than Jones? Anyone else who might have got that vote?

Also Ridder wasn't consensus QB. I wonder who had a vote over him.

Does anyone know where to see the voting details?

usfs specialist Brian Battle has actually been the 2nd best in the conference

pff article with tune after his performance this season

notes he came out too overconfident after the 1st half at the tech game, when houston was owning the game...felt like he could carry the team the 2nd half, and do things he normally doesn't do... he then went on to have the worst half of his career with 3 picks. since he has been one of the most efficient qbs in the nation

https://www.pff.com/news/college-footbal...nship-2021

(12-03-2021 05:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

pff article with tune after his performance this season

notes he came out too overconfident after the 1st half at the tech game, when houston was owning the game...felt like he could carry the team the 2nd half, and do things he normally doesn't do... he then went on to have the worst half of his career with 3 picks. since he has been one of the most efficient qbs in the nation

https://www.pff.com/news/college-footbal...nship-2021

I had wondered what happened in that Texas Tech game. What if, right?

I thought Tune played amazing last night. He was a problem.

(12-05-2021 10:15 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I thought Tune played amazing last night. He was a problem.

Houston fans, does he come back next year?

(12-05-2021 10:15 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I thought Tune played amazing last night. He was a problem.

He bought time on so many plays where it looked like uc had him in the first half. Was able to give his guys time to find creases in uc's defense.

I thought uc did a better job in the second half of taking away those narrow escape routes tune found early.

(12-05-2021 11:22 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-05-2021 10:15 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  I thought Tune played amazing last night. He was a problem.

He bought time on so many plays where it looked like uc had him in the first half. Was able to give his guys time to find creases in uc's defense.

I thought uc did a better job in the second half of taking away those narrow escape routes tune found early.

uc did to Huston what i was hoping houston would do to uc... you put Houston in obvious passing situations..

the pick was just a tune mistake, he didnt see the underneath player that picked him off.. mixed with the bad pi call before you were up 15 in the 2nd half...houston had to score tune had to passs and get big plays.. now its just about getting to the qb for uc...in the 1st half houston would sometimes run on 3rd down or throw a short route and hop to get it with his feet (and if he was close enough wed go for it on 4th)..the playbook was open because we didnt "have" to score, so everything was on the table ...
you cant throw 3yds on 3rd and 8 down 15 in the 2nd half.. houston had to pass and long developing passes in the 2nd half and your defense knew it