(10-22-2021 10:34 PM)MusicEagle Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 10:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Baggage, that just plain pettiness.

Do You want the best G5 conference?

You go get the best teams and that is Louisiana Tech and Western Kentucky period

I’d be fine with it. Good luck.

Yep.

“Good luck in having that conversation.”

(10-23-2021 01:40 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  1. Sun Belters - If C-USA goes belly up that leaves you at the bottom. Still.

2. La. Tech had the lowest budget in C-USA. Except for So. Miss.


If you want the reasoning for why the AAC took the schools that it did, reasons based in hard numbers and solid logic, watch this. The Initial candidates are from across all the reasonable candidates, then winnowed down logically. Watch this, it's very well done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

AAC took the schools they did because they had the same consultants that got the landscape to where it was. Everyone has short and long term interests. New schools get a boost in revenue, old schools get to keep their revenue in the short term, conference stays relevant in the short term, ESPN gets out of their bloated contract obligations in the long term. Everyone has an interest met. I predict only ESPN is happy long term. This is the problem with ESPN monopolizing these deals. Nice to be on TV more but killing CUSA isn’t going to be good for college football and all this consolidation is going to be horrible for college basketball. Just funneling more and more money to the P5.


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(10-23-2021 04:19 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 01:40 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  1. Sun Belters - If C-USA goes belly up that leaves you at the bottom. Still.

2. La. Tech had the lowest budget in C-USA. Except for So. Miss.


If you want the reasoning for why the AAC took the schools that it did, reasons based in hard numbers and solid logic, watch this. The Initial candidates are from across all the reasonable candidates, then winnowed down logically. Watch this, it's very well done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

AAC took the schools they did because they had the same consultants that got the landscape to where it was. Everyone has short and long term interests. New schools get a boost in revenue, old schools get to keep their revenue in the short term, conference stays relevant in the short term, ESPN gets out of their bloated contract obligations in the long term. Everyone has an interest met. I predict only ESPN is happy long term. This is the problem with ESPN monopolizing these deals. Nice to be on TV more but killing CUSA isn’t going to be good for college football and all this consolidation is going to be horrible for college basketball. Just funneling more and more money to the P5.


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Eventually, not even the AAC and Sun Belt will be able to negotiate a better media deal when CBS/Fox decide to pull completely out of the non-Power Conference sector of the business and turn their focus to Power Conference collegiate sports and pro-sports only.

When ESPN is the only media option for non-Power Conferences, you're basically going to have to take what they tell you and play when they tell you, and you're going to have to like it, and if not, tough s***.

(10-23-2021 04:37 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 04:19 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 01:40 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  1. Sun Belters - If C-USA goes belly up that leaves you at the bottom. Still.

2. La. Tech had the lowest budget in C-USA. Except for So. Miss.


If you want the reasoning for why the AAC took the schools that it did, reasons based in hard numbers and solid logic, watch this. The Initial candidates are from across all the reasonable candidates, then winnowed down logically. Watch this, it's very well done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

AAC took the schools they did because they had the same consultants that got the landscape to where it was. Everyone has short and long term interests. New schools get a boost in revenue, old schools get to keep their revenue in the short term, conference stays relevant in the short term, ESPN gets out of their bloated contract obligations in the long term. Everyone has an interest met. I predict only ESPN is happy long term. This is the problem with ESPN monopolizing these deals. Nice to be on TV more but killing CUSA isn’t going to be good for college football and all this consolidation is going to be horrible for college basketball. Just funneling more and more money to the P5.


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Eventually, not even the AAC and Sun Belt will be able to negotiate a better media deal when CBS/Fox decide to pull completely out of the non-Power Conference sector of the business and turn their focus to Power Conference collegiate sports and pro-sports only.

When ESPN is the only media option for non-Power Conferences, you're basically going to have to take what they tell you and play when they tell you, and you're going to have to like it, and if not, tough s***.

Exactly. The fact that CBS/Fox didn’t pony up to poach schools
From SBC proves that this has already happened. The MWC will be the last one and they’ll fall to the mouse after Boise leaves for the Big XII.

16 teams is functionally the same as 14 in the grand scheme. Both are unwieldy.

(10-23-2021 01:40 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  1. Sun Belters - If C-USA goes belly up that leaves you at the bottom. Still.

2. La. Tech had the lowest budget in C-USA. Except for So. Miss.


If you want the reasoning for why the AAC took the schools that it did, reasons based in hard numbers and solid logic, watch this. The Initial candidates are from across all the reasonable candidates, then winnowed down logically. Watch this, it's very well done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

Dude...how can SBC be at the bottom when we are better than the AAC? You guys should thank the MAC as that's the only conference you will be better than if CUSA folds.

(10-23-2021 08:39 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 01:40 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  1. Sun Belters - If C-USA goes belly up that leaves you at the bottom. Still.

2. La. Tech had the lowest budget in C-USA. Except for So. Miss.


If you want the reasoning for why the AAC took the schools that it did, reasons based in hard numbers and solid logic, watch this. The Initial candidates are from across all the reasonable candidates, then winnowed down logically. Watch this, it's very well done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

Dude...how can SBC be at the bottom when we are better than the AAC? You guys should thank the MAC as that's the only conference you will be better than if CUSA folds.

Man do you live in a delusional world.

(10-22-2021 03:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Production shopping? WKU has as much production in all sports as anyone in C-USA!!

You fall under the "other" reasons category. No one is leaving you based on your ability. The only intact, desirable place to go is the Sunbelt and they don't like you. It's not your fault, as a fan, and that sucks. But someone should tell your administration not to burn bridges, wilie-nillie.

I'm certain were the case different that they would certainly take WKU over fresh FBS JMU. I know I would rather have a seasoned team with good production at this level than an unknown.

(10-23-2021 08:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 03:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Production shopping? WKU has as much production in all sports as anyone in C-USA!!

You fall under the "other" reasons category. No one is leaving you based on your ability. The only intact, desirable place to go is the Sunbelt and they don't like you. It's not your fault, as a fan, and that sucks. But someone should tell your administration not to burn bridges, wilie-nillie.

I'm certain were the case different that they would certainly take WKU over fresh FBS JMU. I know I would rather have a seasoned team with good production at this level than an unknown.

The thing is WKU did not burn any bridges, our admin has talked numerous times SB understood as the time why we left. That’s been ages ago..

(10-22-2021 03:25 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:38 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:28 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:27 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 01:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I don't really feel sorry for them. We were willing to stay behind and build CUSA but couldn't get everyone on board.

New Mexico St and UMASS were both names that were tossed around.

I feel bad for WKU and La Tech but that's it.

Lol such a lie. It has been proven CUSA was trying their best to do everything they could to keep Marshall happy. Man up and say y'all did what's best for your university. The new SB makes much more sense for Marshall than staying behind and adding JMU and Liberty. Now that you guys are gone of course we're trying to add NMSU and UMass or whoever else wants to join. Please don't try and paint this picture of Marshall do everything they could to stay when it was clearly the other way around. Best of luck to you guys. You made the right decisionindeed any of us would have done the same.

You gotta ignore 129. Last week he was telling the AAC who they should add after he read on the darknet that Marshall was heading to that conference. He's all kinds of Confucius....lol

Probably best thing to do.

Those teams mentioned in the article don't look that bad for us. Of course it's not the same as if we could have convinced Marshall and ODU to stay and add Liberty and JMU. For all four of those programs the SB makes more sense geographically and financially. SB just resigned with ESPN for 10 years. CUSA TV deal expires in 23. Too much uncertainty to stay behind and rebuild.

UTEP
NMSU
SHSU
Mc Nesse St
La Tech
MTSU
WKU
FIU

Blows my mind that Missouri State is not being mentioned.

That b!tch is doubling down on Texas. She is completely clueless as to the pulse of her own conference. It's more important for her to stay there and build than do what the people want.

(10-23-2021 08:55 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 03:25 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:38 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:28 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:27 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Lol such a lie. It has been proven CUSA was trying their best to do everything they could to keep Marshall happy. Man up and say y'all did what's best for your university. The new SB makes much more sense for Marshall than staying behind and adding JMU and Liberty. Now that you guys are gone of course we're trying to add NMSU and UMass or whoever else wants to join. Please don't try and paint this picture of Marshall do everything they could to stay when it was clearly the other way around. Best of luck to you guys. You made the right decisionindeed any of us would have done the same.

You gotta ignore 129. Last week he was telling the AAC who they should add after he read on the darknet that Marshall was heading to that conference. He's all kinds of Confucius....lol

Probably best thing to do.

Those teams mentioned in the article don't look that bad for us. Of course it's not the same as if we could have convinced Marshall and ODU to stay and add Liberty and JMU. For all four of those programs the SB makes more sense geographically and financially. SB just resigned with ESPN for 10 years. CUSA TV deal expires in 23. Too much uncertainty to stay behind and rebuild.

UTEP
NMSU
SHSU
Mc Nesse St
La Tech
MTSU
WKU
FIU

Blows my mind that Missouri State is not being mentioned.

That b!tch is doubling down on Texas. She is completely clueless as to the pulse of her own conference. It's more important for her to stay there and build than do what the people want.

I think it’s just the immediate shore up.

You have UTEP and LaTech and all of Texas in between.
I think then you look at the MTSU, WKU area and add teams around them.
Just stick in Central timezone.

I mentioned this before but I'll say it again....CUSA's future niche needs to be focused on a different geography. The southeast is vastly over saturated by the AAC/ACC/SBC/SEC. It needs to be focused on adding teams between the Midwest and South and wrap around down to Texas.

Texas has nearly 30 million people and only 12 FBS teams, so it can support more FBS teams.
North Carolina has 10 million people and 7 FBS teams.
Florida has 22 million people and 7 FBS teams.
Louisiana has 4.6 million people and 5 FBS teams.
Tennessee has nearly 7 million people and 4 FBS teams.
Missouri has over 6 million people and only 1 FBS team
Arkansas has 3 million people and 2 FBS teams

Just based on what little we've heard so far, it does appear the conference office is attempting to build a protection zone for UTEP and LaTech by adding teams in Texas. UTEP and LaTech have few if any options if they don't, short of going Independent.

As far as WKU and MT, if the MAC option doesn't happen, a division in the KY/TN/Missouri/Arkansas/Southern Illinois area would be the most feasible. This would make for two divisions....one in the Midsouth/Border State region and the other division made up of Louisiana/Texas/NM area schools.

As to FIU, there's really no option at this point and it makes no sense for CUSA to try to build back into that area.

SHSU is a no brainer. An FCS national championship means they could most likely transition
Tarleton State - I have no clue about them. Decent size school (14,000). I've heard they have a lot of oil money and big ambitions so maybe they could surprise.
Missouri State - This is a no brainer. Would only be the 2nd FBS in a state with 6 million people. Basketball is great.
EKU - They've been eager to move to FBS in the past.
Chattanooga - Solid basketball and would fit the geography of the Border state division. Have no idea if there's interest.
Southern Illinois - solid basketball. Have had strong FCS at times. No idea if there's interest tho.
Central Arkansas - their FCS team has beaten some FBS teams and played others well.
NMSU - No brainer

There are others. I'm just throwing stuff on the wall and sees what sticks...much like our conference HQ :-)

(10-23-2021 08:55 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 03:25 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:38 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:28 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 02:27 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Lol such a lie. It has been proven CUSA was trying their best to do everything they could to keep Marshall happy. Man up and say y'all did what's best for your university. The new SB makes much more sense for Marshall than staying behind and adding JMU and Liberty. Now that you guys are gone of course we're trying to add NMSU and UMass or whoever else wants to join. Please don't try and paint this picture of Marshall do everything they could to stay when it was clearly the other way around. Best of luck to you guys. You made the right decisionindeed any of us would have done the same.

You gotta ignore 129. Last week he was telling the AAC who they should add after he read on the darknet that Marshall was heading to that conference. He's all kinds of Confucius....lol

Probably best thing to do.

Those teams mentioned in the article don't look that bad for us. Of course it's not the same as if we could have convinced Marshall and ODU to stay and add Liberty and JMU. For all four of those programs the SB makes more sense geographically and financially. SB just resigned with ESPN for 10 years. CUSA TV deal expires in 23. Too much uncertainty to stay behind and rebuild.

UTEP
NMSU
SHSU
Mc Nesse St
La Tech
MTSU
WKU
FIU

Blows my mind that Missouri State is not being mentioned.

That b!tch is doubling down on Texas. She is completely clueless as to the pulse of her own conference. It's more important for her to stay there and build than do what the people want.

One good thing about adding more Texas programs is it will just continue to saturate that market. It will water things down and definitely hurt the AAC with all the Texas teams they just added.

(10-23-2021 08:39 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 01:40 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  1. Sun Belters - If C-USA goes belly up that leaves you at the bottom. Still.

2. La. Tech had the lowest budget in C-USA. Except for So. Miss.


If you want the reasoning for why the AAC took the schools that it did, reasons based in hard numbers and solid logic, watch this. The Initial candidates are from across all the reasonable candidates, then winnowed down logically. Watch this, it's very well done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNq-jKvr7iw

Dude...how can SBC be at the bottom when we are better than the AAC? You guys should thank the MAC as that's the only conference you will be better than if CUSA folds.

Read the room or take this to your new board

I don’t get the hate Texas gets from people on this board especially from places like freaking West Virginia. In case you haven’t got the memo, tv networks LOVE the Great State of Texas. It’s the reason why Texas is heading to the SEC, UTSA to the AAC and Texas State is not leaving the Sun Belt. A couple of MWC schools have been on record they want Texas exposure so that can give you an idea how important the state is. If Judy or whoever is in charge is considering Texas schools is because whoever is C-USA’s partner (CBS?) is telling her so.

At this point why Marshall fans even care? You made your decision so just go.

I think I know where the Tech/WKU to the belt is coming from.

The Sun Belt is NOT going to 16 teams. There is zero chance of that happening.

Southern Miss brings the Sun Belt to eleven. Not a good number.

Marshall has made it clear the relationship with JMU and ODU is important. While everyone is pretty sure those three teams are headed to the SBC, it isn't done until the announcement is made.

If something goes awry, Tech or Western (but not both) would get consideration.

(10-23-2021 08:54 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 08:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 03:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Production shopping? WKU has as much production in all sports as anyone in C-USA!!

You fall under the "other" reasons category. No one is leaving you based on your ability. The only intact, desirable place to go is the Sunbelt and they don't like you. It's not your fault, as a fan, and that sucks. But someone should tell your administration not to burn bridges, wilie-nillie.

I'm certain were the case different that they would certainly take WKU over fresh FBS JMU. I know I would rather have a seasoned team with good production at this level than an unknown.

The thing is WKU did not burn any bridges, our admin has talked numerous times SB understood as the time why we left. That’s been ages ago..

WKU never belittled the Sun Belt publicly. You are correct.

But answer me this: Name the Sun Belt schools WKU has scheduled in football, men's basketball and baseball.

WKU's ACTIONS (or lack thereof,) has spoken louder than their voices. WKU wanted nothing to do with the Sun Belt. My guess is, they still don't. What they want is a lifeline.

We'd like to have schools who are serious about aligning with us.

(10-23-2021 10:40 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 08:54 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 08:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 03:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Production shopping? WKU has as much production in all sports as anyone in C-USA!!

You fall under the "other" reasons category. No one is leaving you based on your ability. The only intact, desirable place to go is the Sunbelt and they don't like you. It's not your fault, as a fan, and that sucks. But someone should tell your administration not to burn bridges, wilie-nillie.

I'm certain were the case different that they would certainly take WKU over fresh FBS JMU. I know I would rather have a seasoned team with good production at this level than an unknown.

The thing is WKU did not burn any bridges, our admin has talked numerous times SB understood as the time why we left. That’s been ages ago..

WKU never belittled the Sun Belt publicly. You are correct.

But answer me this: Name the Sun Belt schools WKU has scheduled in football, men's basketball and baseball.

WKU's ACTIONS (or lack thereof,) has spoken louder than their voices. WKU wanted nothing to do with the Sun Belt. My guess is, they still don't. What they want is a lifeline.

We'd like to have schools who are serious about aligning with us.

We have played Troy in hoops and have them on our OOC schedule for 22/23 in football.

We have played South Alabama and ULM in baseball.

At this point I would prefer playing the MAC over the SBC because the SBC hasn't really cared about basketball since 1991 and I don't think that's going to change. If we were to somehow make it back to the SBC it would just be a constant point of contention just like it was last time. I suspect once the honeymoon phase is over you will hear similar complaints from ODU.

(10-23-2021 10:37 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I think I know where the Tech/WKU to the belt is coming from.

The Sun Belt is NOT going to 16 teams. There is zero chance of that happening.

Southern Miss brings the Sun Belt to eleven. Not a good number.

Marshall has made it clear the relationship with JMU and ODU is important. While everyone is pretty sure those three teams are headed to the SBC, it isn't done until the announcement is made.

If something goes awry, Tech or Western (but not both) would get consideration.

You think? There is almost zero financial difference for the Sunbelt between 14 and 16.

(10-23-2021 10:55 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 10:40 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 08:54 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 08:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-22-2021 03:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Production shopping? WKU has as much production in all sports as anyone in C-USA!!

You fall under the "other" reasons category. No one is leaving you based on your ability. The only intact, desirable place to go is the Sunbelt and they don't like you. It's not your fault, as a fan, and that sucks. But someone should tell your administration not to burn bridges, wilie-nillie.

I'm certain were the case different that they would certainly take WKU over fresh FBS JMU. I know I would rather have a seasoned team with good production at this level than an unknown.

The thing is WKU did not burn any bridges, our admin has talked numerous times SB understood as the time why we left. That’s been ages ago..

WKU never belittled the Sun Belt publicly. You are correct.

But answer me this: Name the Sun Belt schools WKU has scheduled in football, men's basketball and baseball.

WKU's ACTIONS (or lack thereof,) has spoken louder than their voices. WKU wanted nothing to do with the Sun Belt. My guess is, they still don't. What they want is a lifeline.

We'd like to have schools who are serious about aligning with us.

We have played Troy in hoops and have them on our OOC schedule for 22/23 in football.

We have played South Alabama and ULM in baseball.

At this point I would prefer playing the MAC over the SBC because the SBC hasn't really cared about basketball since 1991 and I don't think that's going to change. If we were to somehow make it back to the SBC it would just be a constant point of contention just like it was last time. I suspect once the honeymoon phase is over you will hear similar complaints from ODU.

Stop with all the facts. They have a narrative they are trying to stick to...bless their hearts.

(10-23-2021 10:37 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I think I know where the Tech/WKU to the belt is coming from.

The Sun Belt is NOT going to 16 teams. There is zero chance of that happening.

Southern Miss brings the Sun Belt to eleven. Not a good number.

Marshall has made it clear the relationship with JMU and ODU is important. While everyone is pretty sure those three teams are headed to the SBC, it isn't done until the announcement is made.

If something goes awry, Tech or Western (but not both) would get consideration.

Where have you heard this talk? I haven’t seen anybody talking about it or any SB pimping from our fan bases.