(10-24-2021 11:43 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 10:25 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 09:26 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  According to whoever the dude is "in the know" on the GA State message board WSU left also. Where did we go??

A lot of people have made suppositions that Wichita State would be leaving.

The information about the payouts is directly related to his relationship with GSU's AD and the total has been corroborated by an AD in the West.

You don't spend time enough over there so I'm sure you don't believe it and that's fine. There are four or five insiders on the Sun Belt board alone.

The rundown, in a nutshell, is this. Most Sun Belt schools wanted to stay at 12, inviting only USM and Marshall. Marshall, App, and Coastal wanted ODU and JMU as well. However they didn't have the votes because the total revenue from ESPN had not increased to a point to make 14 palatable to the rest of the conference. I suppose Gill and/or League Presidents sent their proposal over to ESPN who then upped the value of the Sun Belt contract to make it palatable to make a 14 team league.

Most of the Sun Belt was wary of 14 because it seems to be the point at which all good things are lost. WAC, C-USA, etc. It doesn't offer flexibility in additions in the future, you're forced to sit and hope you keep everyone. And you water down your overall value.

So to combat that ESPN came back because the Val proposition of ODU and JMU, along with USM and Marshall, raised the Sun Belt to a level commiserate with that of the AAC additions.

Like it or not, that's the truth. The Sun Belt 10 have been better than the 6 that the AAC just added. Higher viewership, similar average attendance though the Sun Belt is higher at the top. UTSA is a recent revelation so I'm not really considering them in that talk.

Anyway, once your Big 3 leave, ODU will be in Year 3 of their new coaching staff, USM will be as well, and Marshall will likely keep on keeping on. Add that to App, Louisiana, Coastal, and Arkansas State under Butch Jones, a USA under Kane Womack, and a ULM under Terry Bowden/Rich Rodriguez, you get a football conference likely to be better than the AAC.

Basketball there is work to do, I won't dispute that. Baseball is probably close. Sun Belt wins Softball hands down.

Not sure what other sports people want to look at?

So—your working theory is that the top of the Sunbelt will stay strong and all the new teams will improve while asserting the current remaining RANKED top of the AAC is worse that the UNRANKED top of the Sunbelt and that none of the newbie AAC programs will improve…oh yeah—and because it doesn’t fit your narrative—-youre just going to toss RANKED UTSA out of the calculation because it’s a “recent revelation” Lol. Ok. Nothing like not letting actual facts get in the way of a fantasy narrative.

Of course, you also believe ESPN renegotiated a deal with 10 years still left on it to give the Sunbelt a 400% increase in revenue. What is the motivation for ESPN to do that?

Com’on man! Butch Jones, Terry Bowden! Sigh, you just don’t get it.

(10-20-2021 03:09 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  If true these are terrible adds. ODU has a decent market but what about the academics? The others have nothing to offer but I guess G4 gonna G4.

We didn’t come here to play school, buddy. We care about football, these are pretty great football adds, as well as basketball and baseball. Hope your experiment works out well!

(10-25-2021 08:34 AM)App10 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 03:09 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  If true these are terrible adds. ODU has a decent market but what about the academics? The others have nothing to offer but I guess G4 gonna G4.

We didn’t come here to play school, buddy. We care about football, these are pretty great football adds, as well as basketball and baseball. Hope your experiment works out well!

Ummm ODU hasn't won an FBS football game since 2018. They are the epitome of a "potential" add, reality is they are the worst FB performer of all the schools leaving C-USA. USM though is right there in that discussion, just as bad this year although they do have a bunch of tradition to fall back on and I want them to be successful. I actually don't want the Sun-Belt to fail, but it's not like the Sun-Belt added the strongest football schools in C-USA. The AAC added the last 4 C-USA champions, the only team ranked in the top 25, and the first place team in both divisions.

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

NCAA requires a minimum of 6 full members playing a minimum of NCAA Olympic sorts to to qualify for post season play (With or whiteout football}.

NCAA requires 8 football playing members to qualify CFP distributions.

So technically a conference can have 6 Full Olympic (No football) sports institutions, and 8 completely associate Football Only members and be a viable conference.

*as long as all Tittle IX MANDATES are met...

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

What's any of that got to do with being better on the field? ECU fans more than anybody should know that fans in the stands don't mean a damn thing. Look at who's coming into the AAC. Rice, UNCC, UAB, FAU... they don't draw flies either. At least the SBC would be a cultural fit for ECU and we'd have more programs near us. Again this makes sense ONLY IF we don't get the last flight out of Saigon. At that point it's a wash between the SBC and AAC. I don't think the AAC will have a financial advantage over the SBC once this deal has to get renegotiated.

(10-25-2021 02:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:22 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:15 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Well this veered a little off topic, but I was reading this thread and earlier several people suggested CUSA reach out to UConn and UMass for football only memberships. Another poster mentioned that doesn't help CUSA with their need for all-sport members. Something I've seen bantered about is now that Texas Arlington and Little Rock will be leaving the Sun Belt, they could just join CUSA. CUSA is in need of teams and UTA and Little Rock are in need of new homes. They could be the full member and UConn and UMass could be the football only affiliate members. That'd give them a good base and they can expand as needed from there.

WKU
MTSU
FIU
La Tech
UTEP
NMSU
Texas Arlington
Little Rock
UConn football only
UMass football only

I am not certain they can be a full member without football.I believe they need 8 football playing full members. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that’s the rule.

You are correct.

I thought so. We had that other thread that had all the rules and I am certain that’s what it said.

So if cusa has 5 members and can only add NMSU, then Uconn and UMass won’t help. They need two full members and the only ones available would be Liberty (who may be in a scandal right now) and Army, who isn’t coming.

With FCS requiring a 2 year process to move up, I don’t see CUSA being viable. Kinda sad since I feel for their programs.

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

App is averaging +30k this year with 2 midweek games. The SBC west will be good for 20k+ going forward with their rivales -TXST who unfortunately is on an island.

JMU averages 18k in FCS against Elon and Duquesne and whoever else is in CAA. its going to be 25k+

The SBC East is basically a rivalry division. I'm pumped. This is a business model war. SBC betting fan engagement=better football= more eyeballs. We'll see how that stacks up to proximity to more people=????=more eyeballs.

I think by 2027 we'll have a good idea of which business model works best in the streaming era.

(10-25-2021 09:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

App is averaging +30k this year with 2 midweek games. The SBC west will be good for 20k+ going forward with their rivales -TXST who unfortunately is on an island.

JMU averages 18k in FCS against Elon and Duquesne and whoever else is in CAA. its going to be 25k+

The SBC East is basically a rivalry division. I'm pumped. This is a business model war. SBC betting fan engagement=better football= more eyeballs. We'll see how that stacks up to proximity to more people=????=more eyeballs.

I think by 2027 we'll have a good idea of which business model works best in the streaming era.

You are assuming that everything stays as is for all that time. As we have learned this year, all it takes is two teams shifting among the Power leagues and all hell breaks loose down the line.
Will both leagues be as they plan to be in 2023, 4 years later?

(10-25-2021 09:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I've also seen where SMU reached out to the MWC following the AAC's addition of North Texas. That was on the SMU board but I'm not sure exactly what came of it. If SMU and Tulsa were to leave, I imagine Wichita State would explore movement as well?

Realignment won't end here as the AAC reverts back to C-USA and former C-USA members who were left behind want upward mobility.

The Sun Belt has grown a lot stronger in brand, viewership, and performance since 2013 when Georgia Southern and App State were added. Then it exploded in 2020 which ended in a new contract with an increased payout and 40% increase in linear channel games was announced in May of 2021, I believe. The media deal was then again revised with the addition of Marshall, ODU, USM, and JMU. The reason being that App - Marshall alone generated around 1.1 million viewers in their Thursday night game. Their game on CBS the year before had well north of 1 million viewers. Marshall always had strong numbers on ESPN channels as well so I'd imagine ESPN is hedging that the following USM and Marshall once had still exists.

Then you add the Hampton Roads DMA and JMU's reach into the huge markets in Northern Virginia and it all begins to paint a picture that may help it make sense for you.

You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

App is averaging +30k this year with 2 midweek games. The SBC west will be good for 20k+ going forward with their rivales -TXST who unfortunately is on an island.

JMU averages 18k in FCS against Elon and Duquesne and whoever else is in CAA. its going to be 25k+

The SBC East is basically a rivalry division. I'm pumped. This is a business model war. SBC betting fan engagement=better football= more eyeballs. We'll see how that stacks up to proximity to more people=????=more eyeballs.

I think by 2027 we'll have a good idea of which business model works best in the streaming era.

20k is garbage attendance. Like there's no "people" showing up to SBC games. The west already has a bunch of regional rivalries, why aren't fans already showing up? ULL/ULM/Ark State/USA/Troy are already all very regional and been playing each other for years and draw nothing. Adding USM isn't going to make schools that already play each other all the time draw more.

AAC

Memphis- 38,816
ECU- 33,134
Navy- 31,970
USF- 31,823
Temple- 29,460

UAB- 24,726
SMU- 23,633
Rice- 22,212
NTSU- 21,358
Tulane- 20,271

UTSA- 19,904
Tulsa- 18,741
FAU- 17,607
Charlotte- 12,319


2019 AAC Average: 24,712

New AAC attendance is still garbage, but hell if I want to paint rosy pictures Charlotte will expand their stadium and just playing ECU every other year will ensure 1 sellout for that season so that makes their numbers look better. UTSA having 3 other Texas schools in the league and improved play will get back to drawing where they were when they first joined C-USA. The rest will look basically how they look, with hopefully ECU getting good and getting our number back around 40k per game.

Anyone else find it funny that Sunbelt fans are coming to the AAC board to try to show us how they are better?

Notice, we aren’t over there doing the same. It’s almost like we know the truth and don’t have inferiority complexes that drive our repeated nonsensical posts.

I love the hate from the Marshall fans

(10-25-2021 09:47 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  I love the hate from the Marshall fans

Where do you see hate from Marshall fans? We are pumped about how this all worked out. Marshall will be playing P6 in the SBC as opposed to G4 in the new AAC.

(10-25-2021 09:59 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:47 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  I love the hate from the Marshall fans

Where do you see hate from Marshall fans? We are pumped about how this all worked out. Marshall will be playing P6 in the SBC as opposed to G4 in the new AAC.

the 500k sunbelt to 7mil difference aac difference really emphaizes that

and the 7th ranked basketball conference to 18th ranked basketball conference really emphazies that too

something that is funny to me is that marshall was one of few c-usa fans that care about their basketball program, and are bragging about the essential death of their basketball program

(10-25-2021 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 08:50 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You just so badly want to invent scenarios where ECU is forced to beg to join the league App resides in. You do this garbage on every single board. App fans are trying to make me respect Charlotte more than App. Charlotte also really wanted to be in a league with ECU football, but you never saw their fans trying to come up with hair brain scenarios where ECU has to crawl back to C-USA, they were like we'd like to get to the point where we can join the AAC. You guys want to recreate the SOCON at the FBS level, and that's fine stop stalking ECU and leave us out of it. We left it 40 years ago for a reason.

Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

App is averaging +30k this year with 2 midweek games. The SBC west will be good for 20k+ going forward with their rivales -TXST who unfortunately is on an island.

JMU averages 18k in FCS against Elon and Duquesne and whoever else is in CAA. its going to be 25k+

The SBC East is basically a rivalry division. I'm pumped. This is a business model war. SBC betting fan engagement=better football= more eyeballs. We'll see how that stacks up to proximity to more people=????=more eyeballs.

I think by 2027 we'll have a good idea of which business model works best in the streaming era.

20k is garbage attendance. Like there's no "people" showing up to SBC games. The west already has a bunch of regional rivalries, why aren't fans already showing up? ULL/ULM/Ark State/USA/Troy are already all very regional and been playing each other for years and draw nothing. Adding USM isn't going to make schools that already play each other all the time draw more.

AAC

Memphis- 38,816
ECU- 33,134
Navy- 31,970
USF- 31,823
Temple- 29,460

UAB- 24,726
SMU- 23,633
Rice- 22,212
NTSU- 21,358
Tulane- 20,271

UTSA- 19,904
Tulsa- 18,741
FAU- 17,607
Charlotte- 12,319


2019 AAC Average: 24,712

New AAC attendance is still garbage, but hell if I want to paint rosy pictures Charlotte will expand their stadium and just playing ECU every other year will ensure 1 sellout for that season so that makes their numbers look better. UTSA having 3 other Texas schools in the league and improved play will get back to drawing where they were when they first joined C-USA. The rest will look basically how they look, with hopefully ECU getting good and getting our number back around 40k per game.

you better get used to 20k+ attendance games. And thats tickets sold, not butts in seats.

(10-25-2021 10:04 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

App is averaging +30k this year with 2 midweek games. The SBC west will be good for 20k+ going forward with their rivales -TXST who unfortunately is on an island.

JMU averages 18k in FCS against Elon and Duquesne and whoever else is in CAA. its going to be 25k+

The SBC East is basically a rivalry division. I'm pumped. This is a business model war. SBC betting fan engagement=better football= more eyeballs. We'll see how that stacks up to proximity to more people=????=more eyeballs.

I think by 2027 we'll have a good idea of which business model works best in the streaming era.

20k is garbage attendance. Like there's no "people" showing up to SBC games. The west already has a bunch of regional rivalries, why aren't fans already showing up? ULL/ULM/Ark State/USA/Troy are already all very regional and been playing each other for years and draw nothing. Adding USM isn't going to make schools that already play each other all the time draw more.

AAC

Memphis- 38,816
ECU- 33,134
Navy- 31,970
USF- 31,823
Temple- 29,460

UAB- 24,726
SMU- 23,633
Rice- 22,212
NTSU- 21,358
Tulane- 20,271

UTSA- 19,904
Tulsa- 18,741
FAU- 17,607
Charlotte- 12,319


2019 AAC Average: 24,712

New AAC attendance is still garbage, but hell if I want to paint rosy pictures Charlotte will expand their stadium and just playing ECU every other year will ensure 1 sellout for that season so that makes their numbers look better. UTSA having 3 other Texas schools in the league and improved play will get back to drawing where they were when they first joined C-USA. The rest will look basically how they look, with hopefully ECU getting good and getting our number back around 40k per game.

you better get used to 20k+ attendance games. And thats tickets sold, not butts in seats.

Funny that you think that packed stadiums are the norm in the SBC.

(10-25-2021 09:05 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  NCAA requires a minimum of 6 full members playing a minimum of NCAA Olympic sorts to to qualify for post season play (With or whiteout football}.

NCAA requires 8 football playing members to qualify CFP distributions.

So technically a conference can have 6 Full Olympic (No football) sports institutions, and 8 completely associate Football Only members and be a viable conference.

*as long as all Tittle IX MANDATES are met...

Incorrect. An FBS conference MUST have a minimum of 8 members who all play the required sports against one another (full members). As long as that minimum requirement is satisfied, the NCAA doesn’t care if additional members are full members or just football only members.

(10-25-2021 10:04 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 09:10 AM)b2b Wrote:  Long term I think the SBC could end up being the better football conference. That said ECU needs to stay here until the end of the TV deal and hope to catch the last helicopter out of Saigon into whatever becomes of the B12. That's going to be our ceiling - reunited with WVU (yes we shared a conf), TCU, UCF, Houston, Cincy and whatever's left of the B12. If that doesn't happen for ECU I think it would make sense to join the SBC at that point.

No it wouldn't. I feel like you are imagining the Sun-Belt is filled with schools like App that are football first schools that draw fans. Sure if there were 9-10 App's that drew close to 30k per game I wouldn't mind being involved with that. Problem is most of the rest of the league draws less than 20k per game.

SBC

So Miss- 24,765
App St- 23,806
Troy- 23,499
Marshall- 23,190
Ark St- 20,670

ODU- 18,234
Louisiana- 18,203
JMU- 18,108
Ga St- 17,186
TX St- 17,140
ULM- 16,728
USA- 16,322
Coastal- 15,019
Ga So- 13,964

2019 SBC Average: 19,060

App is averaging +30k this year with 2 midweek games. The SBC west will be good for 20k+ going forward with their rivales -TXST who unfortunately is on an island.

JMU averages 18k in FCS against Elon and Duquesne and whoever else is in CAA. its going to be 25k+

The SBC East is basically a rivalry division. I'm pumped. This is a business model war. SBC betting fan engagement=better football= more eyeballs. We'll see how that stacks up to proximity to more people=????=more eyeballs.

I think by 2027 we'll have a good idea of which business model works best in the streaming era.

20k is garbage attendance. Like there's no "people" showing up to SBC games. The west already has a bunch of regional rivalries, why aren't fans already showing up? ULL/ULM/Ark State/USA/Troy are already all very regional and been playing each other for years and draw nothing. Adding USM isn't going to make schools that already play each other all the time draw more.

AAC

Memphis- 38,816
ECU- 33,134
Navy- 31,970
USF- 31,823
Temple- 29,460

UAB- 24,726
SMU- 23,633
Rice- 22,212
NTSU- 21,358
Tulane- 20,271

UTSA- 19,904
Tulsa- 18,741
FAU- 17,607
Charlotte- 12,319


2019 AAC Average: 24,712

New AAC attendance is still garbage, but hell if I want to paint rosy pictures Charlotte will expand their stadium and just playing ECU every other year will ensure 1 sellout for that season so that makes their numbers look better. UTSA having 3 other Texas schools in the league and improved play will get back to drawing where they were when they first joined C-USA. The rest will look basically how they look, with hopefully ECU getting good and getting our number back around 40k per game.

you better get used to 20k+ attendance games. And thats tickets sold, not butts in seats.

I am, that's what ECU's been with forever. My annoyance is this pretend world where the Sun-Belt is building all these regional rivalries that draw fans, when the reality is aside from App it's empty stadiums as well just in small towns vs large cities. That's really all this is asking, would you rather play teams in empty stadiums in Dallas or Monroe? In Philly or Mobile? In Boca or in Conway (Coastal is a top 25 team on an insane 2 year run averaging under 17k a game)?