(10-19-2021 08:51 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:22 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.

The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

(10-19-2021 10:35 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 08:51 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:22 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.

The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 10:35 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 08:51 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.

The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 10:35 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 08:51 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.

The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

The WAC is already a below average FCS league, why all this talk about making it the worst FBS conference known to man? I would much rather stay FCS than join an FBS conference with “Dixie State” as one of it’s charter members. Is NMSU going to try to schedule us three times a year like they do with Liberty? Frankly, I don’t care to play NMSU once. For what, the “Gilden New Mexico Bowl”? Why can’t we just worry about making this a viable FCS conference? Because it sure as hell isn’t now. After all, that’s what these schools are… FCS football schools.

God this conference is pathetic. I wish we were in the asunnnnnnn!

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 10:35 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 08:51 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.

The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

If CUSA schools are as inward looking as the Flakey Four, they'll expect their longest road trip to be in the next county. We need to look West, to places with airports, and not get drawn into a self defeating mindset of fear like we have let in.

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 10:35 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 08:51 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.

The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

But does it make sense for C-USA?

Not sure it does particularly since UTEP is on an island and is knowingly trying to get out of the league (though may be below SMU and even Tulsa on waiting list to get into Mountain West).

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 10:35 AM)Todor Wrote:  The fantasy is an FBS WAC. The fantasy is that its-- what was the phrase--oh, an "ideal world." Yeah, 6 home games, 5 of which are against teams no one will show up for is ideal. Yeah, can't image a better set up. But its one more home game. Oh, and don't forget, its 6 home games.

True, it didn't say "turn things around.". Because in this ideal world of dreams and fantasies, we get " bolstered." None of it's gonna happen dude. That has to be the most pathetic "ideal world" I've ever heard of for NMSU football.

OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

(10-20-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

You hit the nail on the head Indy. It is quite a dilemma. Go to CUSA if invited and maybe get burned? Or wait it out in the WAC hoping for FBS that may never come?

(10-20-2021 11:37 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

But does it make sense for C-USA?

Not sure it does particularly since UTEP is on an island and is knowingly trying to get out of the league (though may be below SMU and even Tulsa on waiting list to get into Mountain West).

. . . after what CUSA just lost to the aac, it absolutely makes sense for CUSA . . At the moment there are not a lot of “free FBS” programs they can call up to rebuild with . . . The alternative for them is to try and rebuild with FCs call ups. Also leaves UTEP on less of an island

From my perspective NMSU to CUSA is a win-win

(10-20-2021 11:37 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

But does it make sense for C-USA?

Not sure it does particularly since UTEP is on an island and is knowingly trying to get out of the league (though may be below SMU and even Tulsa on waiting list to get into Mountain West).

1. The MW has already announced that they’re not expanding.

2. The MW has already made it clear that they have no interest in UTEP

(10-20-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:13 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  OK Todor, I will admit to not having read every post, what are your thoughts on where do you see this going? Apologies if I missed it.

I will say, with the recent news of CUSA potentially losing 6 members to the AAC, there *MAY* be a spot opened up for NMSU to get all sports in the same conference. I don't know if that would be better than our current situation, however. Only other way is status quo, and we see how well that is working out.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

OK, I get what you’re saying there, we were part of that WAC implosion as well . .

2 things:

1. You join CUSA as a full member, none of that temporary/provisional stuff.
2. CUSA ain’t the WAC of 05/06.

Personally, I think y’all would be fine there.

Oh, and to your last point, being in a conference should save y’all some cash as opposed to being Indy.

(10-20-2021 12:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  Do you mean the whole realignment thing or just the WAC and realignment, or just Aggie football?

Overall realignment, I could see a depleted CUSA wanting NMSU, if UTEP were still in it. It wouldn't be the worst I suppose, but if also feel like they needed us more than we needed them at this point. Since they sure didn't want anything to do with us before now, I'd be inclined to pass on CUSA, despite the football in a conference thing. It would be a reluctant pass, but given my poor impression of their conference leadership, I wouldn't hope much hope for that conference getting much better. I see a lot of complaints about poor conference leadership from their members on here.

If you meant the WAC and FBS, I don't believe that has a chance of happening within a decade. If it ever does, chances are we'll already be long gone and I won't care too much. But its a crazy time and I suppose some of the flakey schools who joined could luck out and have something fall in their laps? But I'm not sure how that would happen.

If you mean Aggie football/Coach Martin, I think this will be his last season at the helm. He'll leave mad, feeling he did more for the program than he really did, and we'll try again with the next boss and see how it goes. I'm fine being an Indy right now and I'd rather preserve that than join some crazy far flung conference in an easterly direction just for one more random home game no one would show up for because no one has heard of the opponent.

Hope I answered what you were asking.

Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

You hit the nail on the head Indy. It is quite a dilemma. Go to CUSA if invited and maybe get burned? Or wait it out in the WAC hoping for FBS that may never come?

Sorry, I don’t see how you get burned going to CUSA . . . you only get burned if the conference implodes, and that ain’t going to happen . . .

(10-20-2021 12:40 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 12:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-19-2021 12:27 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  Yeah, I think you did. I was more talking about realignment in general not necessarily specific to NMSU (although If things change within the WAC, I would hope NMSU is in the middle of it all). I agree with you about CUSA. In my opinion, the only thing it would give us is all sports in one conference.

The problem I have with it is:

1) Overall, I am not convinced it is better (enough) than what we currently have in the WAC to make enough of a difference to make the move.

2) Unless they fill in the gap, I really hate the geography of what CUSA is about to become (if indeed happens what has been stated).

I know you don't believe the Texas4 are here to stay, but with them and the WAC, I feel like we have a reasonable geographic footprint within the WAC and quite frankly, a group of schools to grow with. I feel like moving to CUSA we would not be viewed as equals and would be left out to dry (once again). Personally, I think NMSU and UTEP need to work together to create value, but I also agree that looking outside for someone to rescue you is not a good strategy at all. We have to fix ourselves first.

GO AGGIES!!!

You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

You hit the nail on the head Indy. It is quite a dilemma. Go to CUSA if invited and maybe get burned? Or wait it out in the WAC hoping for FBS that may never come?

Sorry, I don’t see how you get burned going to CUSA . . . you only get burned if the conference implodes, and that ain’t going to happen . . .

Everyone will want to get out of CUSA and will be constantly exploring options. CUSA is clearly the weakest FBS conference remaining. CUSA won't like outliers like UTEP and NMSU. There are a lot of scenarios where CUSA implodes. Who could have envisioned the WAC imploding and dropping FBS FB?

(10-20-2021 12:45 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 12:40 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 12:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 10:16 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  You make good points, I would only add this.

Currently, the WAC is an FCS league “hoping” to become FBS within 10 years. No guarantee that happens. NMSU is an FBS program right now.

While CUSA is not an ideal conference for NMSU (geographically), you would have a ready made travel partner in UTEP.

And as you’ve already pointed out . . . All your sports could compete in 1 conference.

.. just my 2cents, but Take what you can get, until you can get what you want.

I think CUSA (at this time) makes sense for NMSU.

Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

You hit the nail on the head Indy. It is quite a dilemma. Go to CUSA if invited and maybe get burned? Or wait it out in the WAC hoping for FBS that may never come?

Sorry, I don’t see how you get burned going to CUSA . . . you only get burned if the conference implodes, and that ain’t going to happen . . .

Everyone will want to get out of CUSA and will be constantly exploring options. CUSA is clearly the weakest FBS conference remaining. CUSA won't like outliers like UTEP and NMSU. There are a lot of scenarios where CUSA implodes. Who could have envisioned the WAC imploding and dropping FBS FB?

There are too many FCS programs that CUSA can call up to prevent a WAC like implosion, regardless of what some of their current members may or may not do.

. . . and what, CUSA is going to kick UTEP out? I don’t think so, so you’ve got a travel partner and ready made rival what 35 or 40 miles from you. I wish our closest conference mate was that near.

Look, I ain’t trying to talk y’all into anything . . . NMSU gonna NMSU. But what I see for y’all is an Opportunity . . . And those don’t come along everyday. jus’ sayin’, we’re I You, I’d grab it.

Good luck to y’all in any event.

(10-20-2021 01:02 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 12:45 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 12:40 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 12:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-20-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  Good points, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I will counter with the fact that we did that with the WAC back in 05/06 (I think is the year, without looking it up) only to see the conference basically dissolve around us. We had to sign a temporary agreement to play football in the SBC (thanks for the lifeline for a few years!) only to see that conference shift their focus back east and not renew our temporary arrangement along with Idaho.

This is where my hesitancy comes from. While in the short term, you could be right, and it would be hard to say no to CUSA if they were to offer, but if you look long term, is it still the right thing to do? I want to find a long term solution to our Athletics programs, instead of constantly bouncing around all the time.

In the end, I have no idea where we end up. I'm happy in the WAC at this point, but realistically, how long can we play the Independent game? we've propped it up so far, but that well could go dry in a heartbeat if we aren't very careful. I just feel like we are tight roping a very fine line right now.

GO AGGIES!!!!!

You hit the nail on the head Indy. It is quite a dilemma. Go to CUSA if invited and maybe get burned? Or wait it out in the WAC hoping for FBS that may never come?

Sorry, I don’t see how you get burned going to CUSA . . . you only get burned if the conference implodes, and that ain’t going to happen . . .

Everyone will want to get out of CUSA and will be constantly exploring options. CUSA is clearly the weakest FBS conference remaining. CUSA won't like outliers like UTEP and NMSU. There are a lot of scenarios where CUSA implodes. Who could have envisioned the WAC imploding and dropping FBS FB?

There are too many FCS programs that CUSA can call up to prevent a WAC like implosion, regardless of what some of their current members may or may not do.

. . . and what, CUSA is going to kick UTEP out? I don’t think so, so you’ve got a travel partner and ready made rival what 35 or 40 miles from you. I wish our closest conference mate was that near.

Look, I ain’t trying to talk y’all into anything . . . NMSU gonna NMSU. But what I see for y’all is an Opportunity . . . And those don’t come along everyday. jus’ sayin’, we’re I You, I’d grab it.

Good luck to y’all in any event.

I do see your point, and in the end, I would find it really hard to say no to CUSA if an invite were offered. It would need to be a full invite, as you state. Given that we see a lot of smoke out there that both Marshall and USM are headed to the SBC...does that change the equation at all?

I just don't know if it is as easy a decision as we make it out to be. I don't have all the information that I would hope our president would have available.

GO AGGIES!!!

What about NMSU going to CUSA with an under-the-table agreement with the WAC to come back for FBS and will bring UTEP with them?

(10-20-2021 02:24 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  What about NMSU going to CUSA with an under-the-table agreement with the WAC to come back for FBS and will bring UTEP with them?

Now you are talking. On the Aggie board, the mods recently put up a poll regarding NMSU conference options. The three options were:

1) Take MWC offer
2) Take CUSA offer
3) Stay in WAC and hope for FBS

The majority of the fans chose option 3. I think the new WAC has better basketball than CUSA and that is NMSU's bread and butter. I also like the thought of growing with the new schools if they go FBS.

NMSU would be dumb at this point to join an unstable league. Not to mention increased travel that everyone wants to leave or is unhappy with.