USA TODaY pegs him as second lowest in FBS at $437k. If he’s making $600k, presume that’s bonuses or a new increase since this set of data?

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salarie...ball/coach

Keeler makes $430k

https://www.shsu.edu/sms049/Images/Salary.html

(10-17-2021 05:55 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  USA TODaY pegs him as second lowest in FBS at $437k. If he’s making $600k, presume that’s bonuses or a new increase since this set of data?

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salarie...ball/coach

I have no idea where ‘coaches hot seat’ came up with 600k.

I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

NMSU has a bowl tie in with the Arizona Bowl that MM secured the season after they played in same. Unfortunately they haven't sniffed bowl eligibility since.

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(10-18-2021 07:25 AM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

NMSU has a bowl tie in with the Arizona Bowl that MM secured the season after they played in same. Unfortunately they haven't sniffed bowl eligibility since.

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Would that tie in be extended to an FBS WAC champion?

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

(10-18-2021 10:05 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

Would the NMSU bowl ties go away if there becomes a WAC FBS? NMSU should be competitive early on in a WAC FBS but if the other WAC FBS schools beef up their football budgets can/will NMSU join them in doing so? If not they are in the same spot as they are now but with less flexibility b/c they would be in a conference, imo.

(10-18-2021 10:37 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:05 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

Would the NMSU bowl ties go away if there becomes a WAC FBS? NMSU should be competitive early on in a WAC FBS but if the other WAC FBS schools beef up their football budgets can/will NMSU join them in doing so? If not they are in the same spot as they are now but with less flexibility b/c they would be in a conference, imo.

It will take both capital expenses for facility upgrades/stadium expansion and a boost of 10 million or so in the annual budget for schools to match where NMSU is right now. I can’t imagine any of these schools will outgrow NNSU in the foreseeable future.

Sam Houston
SFA
Lamar
ACU
Tarleton
UTRGV
ACU
Dixie/Utah Tech
Southern Utah
New Mexico State

(10-18-2021 10:37 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:05 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

Would the NMSU bowl ties go away if there becomes a WAC FBS? NMSU should be competitive early on in a WAC FBS but if the other WAC FBS schools beef up their football budgets can/will NMSU join them in doing so? If not they are in the same spot as they are now but with less flexibility b/c they would be in a conference, imo.

When NMSU went to the Arizona Bowl, NMSU was still in the Sun Belt. So, I doubt a new WAC FBS would effect NMSU bowl ties. As for NMSU being competitive in a new WAC FBS, I think when NMSU joined the SBC FBS in its' infancy, NMSU probably had one of the top coaching staffs in that conference (in Tony Samuel, Barney Cotton, etc.). NMSU had two winning seasons during that tenure but the Sun Belt (and Big West) had very few Bowl ties at the time.

(10-18-2021 11:34 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:37 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:05 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

Would the NMSU bowl ties go away if there becomes a WAC FBS? NMSU should be competitive early on in a WAC FBS but if the other WAC FBS schools beef up their football budgets can/will NMSU join them in doing so? If not they are in the same spot as they are now but with less flexibility b/c they would be in a conference, imo.

It will take both capital expenses for facility upgrades/stadium expansion and a boost of 10 million or so in the annual budget for schools to match where NMSU is right now. I can’t imagine any of these schools will outgrow NNSU in the foreseeable future.

Sam Houston
SFA
Lamar
ACU
Tarleton
UTRGV
ACU
Dixie/Utah Tech
Southern Utah
New Mexico State

It won't take long for the new schools to catch NMSU budget wise. $10M seems like a lot, but it's really not. Just playing the P5 schools will boost your payment from around $250k for a buy game to over $1M.

(10-18-2021 11:45 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:37 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:05 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

Would the NMSU bowl ties go away if there becomes a WAC FBS? NMSU should be competitive early on in a WAC FBS but if the other WAC FBS schools beef up their football budgets can/will NMSU join them in doing so? If not they are in the same spot as they are now but with less flexibility b/c they would be in a conference, imo.

When NMSU went to the Arizona Bowl, NMSU was still in the Sun Belt. So, I doubt a new WAC FBS would effect NMSU bowl ties. As for NMSU being competitive in a new WAC FBS, I think when NMSU joined the SBC FBS in its' infancy, NMSU probably had one of the top coaching staffs in that conference (in Tony Samuel, Barney Cotton, etc.). NMSU had two winning seasons during that tenure but the Sun Belt (and Big West) had very few Bowl ties at the time.

NMSU went to the AZ Bowl based on the SunBelt bowl tie in, but after the game, the AZ Bowl made an agreement directly with NMSU.

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

I think that sounds about right. We have a better chance of growing our program with others of similar budget. We’ve fallen behind in the arms race with others like MWC schools. And with no big infusion of funding coming any time soon trying to catch those schools seems futile. But just like with the SBC if we don’t continue to invest more and grow we will also get passed by the current WAC schools. For me it’s about being realistic. And realistically I just don’t see us being able to catch teams like Utah St in terms of budget.

In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

(10-18-2021 01:22 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

(10-18-2021 12:25 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 11:34 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:37 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 10:05 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 05:43 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I want to see if I’m correctly interpreting Pistol Pete’s snd Cuban’s comments-

What you hope to see is a WAC FBS Conference made up of schools with budgets comparable to NMSU (28-30M). Knowing that more money isn’t likely to be forthcoming, the emphasis should be on getting more bang for the buck using highly successful FCS programs as a model.

Since all schools will likely be similarly constrained by limited finances, the conference will be competitive within, and the hope is by operating a lean, high quality program conference schools can compete with the bottom third of G5 programs ( and I’ll add bottom feeder P5’s).

I’ll add a comment I’ve seen previously that developing a bowl tie in would provide the conference champion with an opportunity for post season play since it’s unlikely a WAC champion will ever sniff the FBS playoffs.

If I’m understanding you correctly, these seem like modest and potentially attainable goals.

This is a model that is similar to when NMSU was in the SunBelt. We had some modest success early on as we had comparable budgets and facilities with the SB schools. Look at where the SB is now. I'd say they are actually comparable to the MWC. If the WAC added FBS football, I'd hope that the SB could be a model and I could see NMSU doing well in the WAC. I'm not saying dominating or anything, just being competitive.

NMSU has bowl tie ins with both the AZ bowl and the NM bowl. I doubt those would transfer over to the WAC if they started FBS. But I'm sure the WAC would get some tie ins. I don't see that as a problem.

Would the NMSU bowl ties go away if there becomes a WAC FBS? NMSU should be competitive early on in a WAC FBS but if the other WAC FBS schools beef up their football budgets can/will NMSU join them in doing so? If not they are in the same spot as they are now but with less flexibility b/c they would be in a conference, imo.

It will take both capital expenses for facility upgrades/stadium expansion and a boost of 10 million or so in the annual budget for schools to match where NMSU is right now. I can’t imagine any of these schools will outgrow NNSU in the foreseeable future.

Sam Houston
SFA
Lamar
ACU
Tarleton
UTRGV
ACU
Dixie/Utah Tech
Southern Utah
New Mexico State

It won't take long for the new schools to catch NMSU budget wise. $10M seems like a lot, but it's really not. Just playing the P5 schools will boost your payment from around $250k for a buy game to over $1M.

Especially when the other schools in the WAC are in states that will support them financially, well beyond where NMSU currently is. NMSU will never have the same backing from Santa Fe. What did Groves report, UNM got nearly $40 million from 2006-2018 for facilities and NMSU got $5 million in the same time period. If they did increase funding, the Administration at NMSU will cut its funding to athletics, like they did a few years ago when the state increased its funding to the operating budget by $300,000. Since the administration used Biden*s handout money to pay off athletics deficit for last year, they'll use that as the talking point for the next 5 years or more that they do fund athletics.

Whether NMSU is in a conference or not for football, nothing will change financially.

(10-17-2021 07:21 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Todor will be the first to get upset with this remark but perhaps the best thing that could happen to NMSU football is that the WAC becomes a FBS league.

Having a league which provides a more balanced schedule, opportunities for wins and some sort of consistency while still allowing annual games against UTEP, UNM will give the Aggies a bit more stability and something more substantive to play for

I know others have said it already, but I agree with the above. An FBS WAC gives NMSU an honest chance to grow WITH the other Universities. There still needs to be changes made at NMSU for that to happen or the Texas 4 will pass NMSU up, just like the Sunbelt did, and just like Boise St. did (way back when). IF we can be competitive in a league, I think there could be more money that flows into the program from donors, and we can grow. Right now, it's a tough sell. Independence, while not terrible, hasn't exactly enamored the fanbase with many wins. I also believe, since we don't have many wins anyway, why not go for one more buy game and put every penny of that into the program? Then, if/when WAC FBS does start again, NMSU would be closer to being able to compete.

GO AGGIES!!!!

(10-18-2021 01:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:22 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

(10-18-2021 05:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:22 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

While very true, put the two together (intrinsic growth, and pairing up with similar institutions) and you have an environment that can foster growth in each other.

Is it just me, or did that sound like it came from a hippie out of the 60's?

GO AGGIES!!!!

(10-18-2021 05:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:53 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 01:22 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  In an ideal world if you are New Mexico State, you get four WAC home games, four WAC away games, UTEP/UNM (one road, one away). You buy a FCS game and then get one good guarantee on the road. NMSU would have six home games a year annually - isn't that a sell? The diversity of opponents would not really be there for the home schedule but you retain your rivalries, build the WAC league and again, get the six home games annually.

I think YesCubanB is accurate - the arms race feels even, can be competitive in this new WAC. The FCS-to-FBS transitions may be bumpy but in the case of the Aggies, got to imagine the ability to play six home games a year, get at least three games in Texas a year (recruiting hotbed) and competing for something? That has got to be a way to bolster the NMSU football program.

Very well stated. Sounds like a good plan to me.

It is a great plan. And you say I have the fairy tale theories

Yeah, lets just just do all of those things and football will be turned around. Umm, no. It won't. Conferences aren't going to do it for us. Either we do it ourselves or it won't be done at all. All of the things that can "help" only help if NMSU games advantage of the circumstances, and I don't see any indication that anything is fundamentally different now than ever. Looking outward to solve our problems doesn't work any better for football programs than it does with people. Change happens within.

A fairy tale is the WAC going FBS and then NMSU would get 4 WAC home and 4 WAC away games? NuM/Minors, 1 FCS and 1 body bag? 12 games. That's a fairy tale?

If the WAC went FBS, NMSU having the biggest budget out the gate would be a fairy tale? And who said this would "turn things around" for NMSU? I simply said I like the plan.