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(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

Dude. i like TxSt. I REALLY do. But this nonsense is just too much to ignore. You have let the Sun Belt fans sell you a dishonest bag of goods about La Tech, even to the point of deciding we're about to get "stuck" and being kind of happy with that...in some whatever that CUSA is about to become. For the record, we'll be fine. BUT, I've read a lot of your posts...here and other places, and I want to set the record straight with you about Tech and the school you claim to support...TXST.

Think for a moment.

WE...La Tech...welcomed Texas State University into FBS, and the WAC as a full member. No offense, but if WE thought we were "TOO GOOD" for some of the teams "in our region" you never would have sniffed FBS. You'd still be playing Sam Houston and Lamar. The Presidents of the then-CUSA (which included at the time ECU, Tulane, Tulsa) had to decide between UTSA and TXST. They decided that UTSA made more sense at that time. Sun Belt threw you guys a life raft.

You seem to have a burr under your saddle for Tech, which, knowing the short history between us and Texas State makes ZERO sense.

(10-13-2021 12:15 PM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

Dude. i like TxSt. I REALLY do. But this nonsense is just too much to ignore. You have let the Sun Belt fans sell you a dishonest bag of goods about La Tech, even to the point of deciding we're about to get "stuck" and being kind of happy with that...in some whatever that CUSA is about to become. For the record, we'll be fine. BUT, I've read a lot of your posts...here and other places, and I want to set the record straight with you about Tech and the school you claim to support...TXST.

Think for a moment.

WE...La Tech...welcomed Texas State University into FBS, and the WAC as a full member. No offense, but if WE thought we were "TOO GOOD" for some of the teams "in our region" you never would have sniffed FBS. You'd still be playing Sam Houston and Lamar. The Presidents of the then-CUSA (which included at the time ECU, Tulane, Tulsa) had to decide between UTSA and TXST. They decided that UTSA made more sense at that time. Sun Belt threw you guys a life raft.

You seem to have a burr under your saddle for Tech, which, knowing the short history between us and Texas State makes ZERO sense.

Great post, Chuck. You beat me to it. I was about to post something very similar to what you just did in response to TXSt fan. Who the hell does he think voted for TXSt and UTSA for WAC membership? LA Tech, that's who.

This is a great example of people like him listening to the nonsense from ULL and ULM fans on the SBC board. I see snarky comments all the time from Sunbelt fans that don't know a damn thing about LA Tech, but they act like they hate us anyway because that's all they've ever heard from ULL fans.

ULL's bitterness goes back to the year 2000. That's when LA Tech --a longtime basketball member of the Sunbelt conference (that didn't have football)-- decided to join the much more established WAC instead of staying in the Sunbelt who was just starting football for the first time in 2001. LA Tech and Boise St were invited to join the WAC, and joined on the same day. LA Tech was in the 5-team "eastern WAC" with SMU, Rice, Tulsa and UTEP. Boise joined Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada and San Jose St in the 5-team western WAC. It was a good move for Tech and Boise, and it forged positive relationships that Tech leaders continue to cultivate til this day. And the fact that Tech won the WAC football title in its' very first year only served to make ULL even more bitter.

(10-13-2021 10:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  It is just ironic that the conference and teams that had no problem with gutting the WAC and SBC are now begging to not have the same done to them.

"The same" has been done to C-USA twice before.

(10-13-2021 11:55 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:52 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:30 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:10 AM)All4One Wrote:  I feel the Mountain West was the true WAC slayer.

They fully killed it, but the C-USA raid of the early 00's is what left the league a complete geographic nightmare that set it up to be in a position to be killed. I also think that was a strategic mistake by the MWC to completely kill the WAC. Having them as a home out west to house and build up programs in the footprint that you can eventually add when needed has strategic value. Now despite the MWC not losing anyone you still hear the CSU/AFA AD's screaming they have to get into Texas because that's the only future avenue for them if they lose teams in the future aside from adding the "take only in case you are about to fold" schools of NMSU and UTEP.

The Mountain West killed the WAC because BYU got together with Karl Benson and prominent WAC members to plot to overthrow the Mountain West. The secrecy of all of that was nuts. But had CUSA not added former WAC Quadrant 4 members, I don't know if the league would've survived. Could they have added UCF and Marshall and called it a day? I believe Tulane and Southern Miss objected to the extensive travel to places like UCF and East Carolina, so that's why CUSA brought in SMU, Rice, Tulsa, and UTEP to go to 12 and create a 2-division format. Had the NCAA not required the 12 members to split divisions then, I don't think UTEP or Tulsa gets added and probably not even SMU and Rice.

That bolded part makes no sense. Essentially you're saying, "USM didn't like the long trips to ECU, so we sent them to El Paso!"

In order to split divisions a conference was required to have 12 teams. Who else could CUSA add that the remaining 6 members would agree to? La Tech would've been ideal, but Tulane wouldn't allow it.

Your reason was distance from USM and Tulane though and UTEP is further from USM than ECU, UCF or ODU and Marshall from the current line-up. I haven't mapped it, but I imagine that's true for Tulane as well.

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

I mean, less than 18 months ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/annajhowell/s...frame.html

(10-13-2021 01:28 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:55 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:52 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:30 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  They fully killed it, but the C-USA raid of the early 00's is what left the league a complete geographic nightmare that set it up to be in a position to be killed. I also think that was a strategic mistake by the MWC to completely kill the WAC. Having them as a home out west to house and build up programs in the footprint that you can eventually add when needed has strategic value. Now despite the MWC not losing anyone you still hear the CSU/AFA AD's screaming they have to get into Texas because that's the only future avenue for them if they lose teams in the future aside from adding the "take only in case you are about to fold" schools of NMSU and UTEP.

The Mountain West killed the WAC because BYU got together with Karl Benson and prominent WAC members to plot to overthrow the Mountain West. The secrecy of all of that was nuts. But had CUSA not added former WAC Quadrant 4 members, I don't know if the league would've survived. Could they have added UCF and Marshall and called it a day? I believe Tulane and Southern Miss objected to the extensive travel to places like UCF and East Carolina, so that's why CUSA brought in SMU, Rice, Tulsa, and UTEP to go to 12 and create a 2-division format. Had the NCAA not required the 12 members to split divisions then, I don't think UTEP or Tulsa gets added and probably not even SMU and Rice.

That bolded part makes no sense. Essentially you're saying, "USM didn't like the long trips to ECU, so we sent them to El Paso!"

In order to split divisions a conference was required to have 12 teams. Who else could CUSA add that the remaining 6 members would agree to? La Tech would've been ideal, but Tulane wouldn't allow it.

Your reason was distance from USM and Tulane though and UTEP is further from USM than ECU, UCF or ODU and Marshall from the current line-up. I haven't mapped it, but I imagine that's true for Tulane as well.

Would it have been better to travel to every school in the conference every other year including to Marshall? It seems to me that would've been as issue, but I guess not?

(10-13-2021 02:07 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I mean, less than 18 months ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/annajhowell/s...frame.html

The SB will be willing to entertain a merger or reshuffle again once CUSA is the conference with a few Top 25 teams and they aren't. These things go in cycles. CCU will drop pretty quickly. App has some staying power, but no more so than Marshall, SoMiss or LaTech.

(10-13-2021 01:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

It's not logistics, it's arrogance. Same as a whole bunch of ECU fans don't want to be in a conference with Charlotte and App State, it's not some logistical thing it's purely ECU thinking they are above having to do that. It's fine to just admit that's what it is, because that's what it is. You guys are honestly even worse about it than ECU though. ECU advocated hard for ODU and at the very least did not fight and maybe even supported Charlotte's entry into C-USA. You guys hung around till the dying days of the WAC when it made zero logistical sense at all just to avoid being in a league with the UL's. From the sound of it you guys would rather potentially relive history and go down with the C-USA ship instead of going with USM to the Sun-Belt.

(10-13-2021 02:07 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I mean, less than 18 months ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/annajhowell/s...frame.html

(10-13-2021 02:34 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 01:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

It's not logistics, it's arrogance. Same as a whole bunch of ECU fans don't want to be in a conference with Charlotte and App State, it's not some logistical thing it's purely ECU thinking they are above having to do that. It's fine to just admit that's what it is, because that's what it is. You guys are honestly even worse about it than ECU though. ECU advocated hard for ODU and at the very least did not fight and maybe even supported Charlotte's entry into C-USA. You guys hung around till the dying days of the WAC when it made zero logistical sense at all just to avoid being in a league with the UL's. From the sound of it you guys would rather potentially relive history and go down with the C-USA ship instead of going with USM to the Sun-Belt.

Separation is a good thing. WE aren't arrogant just because we don't want what you want. We have done what we feel is best for our brand and our school. The WAC was fantastic for us even towards the end and to be honest so has CUSA. We have no regrets by not joining the Sunbelt. It certainly wasn't arrogance.

Regionalization makes a lot of sense, but there is nothing stopping a conference from trying to end up with all of the best schools available at this current time. We simply haven't reached the tipping point.

If the AAC is smart, they just take the better athletic schools from SB/CUSA and gut them. Then next round when it happens, they just do it again. They come out on top and the remaining CUSA/SB are a disjointed mess.

There is a valid argument in that a lot of schools really aren't much different than each other athletically. Everything will be cyclical. From a UAB fan's perspective, I want to be in a conference where basketball is at least taken semi-seriously, even if that means games are 800 miles away. Current CUSA actually has a lot of basketball oriented schools so it is unfortunate that none of us ever hit our stride at quite the right time to be a 2 bid league. Maybe this is the year

CUSA is going to be taken to the cleaners if the conferences university presidents continue to employ Judy as conference commissioner. Judy’s hiring of Jim Delaney as a consultant for this report was a big mistake. Delaney only cares about the P5 and is only looking for ways to further separate the P5 from the G5. Also no one so far has been able to tell us how much CUSA paid Delaney and his team of consultants for this report. CUSA must have some big bucks lying around in the conference office in order to throw money away on Jim Delaney. I do not understand why the CUSA university Presidents whose schools get peanuts from the CUSA media deal are not furious about this.

(10-13-2021 02:59 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Regionalization makes a lot of sense, but there is nothing stopping a conference from trying to end up with all of the best schools available at this current time. We simply haven't reached the tipping point.

If the AAC is smart, they just take the better athletic schools from SB/CUSA and gut them. Then next round when it happens, they just do it again. They come out on top and the remaining CUSA/SB are a disjointed mess.

There is a valid argument in that a lot of schools really aren't much different than each other athletically. Everything will be cyclical. From a UAB fan's perspective, I want to be in a conference where basketball is at least taken semi-seriously, even if that means games are 800 miles away. Current CUSA actually has a lot of basketball oriented schools so it is unfortunate that none of us ever hit our stride at quite the right time to be a 2 bid league. Maybe this is the year

I agree. Leagues are tiered, but after decades of defections and failed experiments you end up with some disjointed conferences. I don't mind a reset, but I don't think geography should punish success. One school that worked hard for a couple of decades shouldn't have to settle with being stuck in with another school that hasn't done anything just because they are close together. That's socialist Un-American bull crap. Yes some of it is cyclical but some of it is static too.

(10-13-2021 03:07 PM)sunamiwave Wrote:  CUSA is going to be taken to the cleaners if the conferences university presidents continue to employ Judy as conference commissioner. Judy’s hiring of Jim Delaney as a consultant for this report was a big mistake. Delaney only cares about the P5 and is only looking for ways to further separate the P5 from the G5. Also no one so far has been able to tell us how much CUSA paid Delaney and his team of consultants for this report. CUSA must have some big bucks lying around in the conference office in order to throw money away on Jim Delaney. I do not understand why the CUSA university Presidents whose schools get peanuts from the CUSA media deal are not furious about this.

I can't argue with that. We hired an idiot and are too gutless to fire her ass. Plain and simple. CUSA was once a proud conference but has made some major miscalculations and it will cost us.

(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 02:34 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 01:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

It's not logistics, it's arrogance. Same as a whole bunch of ECU fans don't want to be in a conference with Charlotte and App State, it's not some logistical thing it's purely ECU thinking they are above having to do that. It's fine to just admit that's what it is, because that's what it is. You guys are honestly even worse about it than ECU though. ECU advocated hard for ODU and at the very least did not fight and maybe even supported Charlotte's entry into C-USA. You guys hung around till the dying days of the WAC when it made zero logistical sense at all just to avoid being in a league with the UL's. From the sound of it you guys would rather potentially relive history and go down with the C-USA ship instead of going with USM to the Sun-Belt.

Separation is a good thing. WE aren't arrogant just because we don't want what you want. We have done what we feel is best for our brand and our school. The WAC was fantastic for us even towards the end and to be honest so has CUSA. We have no regrets by not joining the Sunbelt. It certainly wasn't arrogance.

You are dancing around what is arrogance, and it's understandable. I personally want ECU in a league that is considered "above" Charlotte and App in the pecking order. That "separation" is a good thing for ECU. I'm fine with admitting that and calling it what it is, me arrogantly believing ECU is better than having to be in a football league with those 2. You think it's bad for the La Tech "brand" to share a conference with those 2, that's fine might even be true in some way I don't know I don't live in that state.

(10-13-2021 03:10 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 02:34 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 01:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

It's not logistics, it's arrogance. Same as a whole bunch of ECU fans don't want to be in a conference with Charlotte and App State, it's not some logistical thing it's purely ECU thinking they are above having to do that. It's fine to just admit that's what it is, because that's what it is. You guys are honestly even worse about it than ECU though. ECU advocated hard for ODU and at the very least did not fight and maybe even supported Charlotte's entry into C-USA. You guys hung around till the dying days of the WAC when it made zero logistical sense at all just to avoid being in a league with the UL's. From the sound of it you guys would rather potentially relive history and go down with the C-USA ship instead of going with USM to the Sun-Belt.

Separation is a good thing. WE aren't arrogant just because we don't want what you want. We have done what we feel is best for our brand and our school. The WAC was fantastic for us even towards the end and to be honest so has CUSA. We have no regrets by not joining the Sunbelt. It certainly wasn't arrogance.

You are dancing around what is arrogance, and it's understandable. I personally want ECU in a league that is considered "above" Charlotte and App in the pecking order. That "separation" is a good thing for ECU. I'm fine with admitting that and calling it what it is, me arrogantly believing ECU is better than having to be in a football league with those 2. You think it's bad for the La Tech "brand" to share a conference with those 2, that's fine might even be true in some way I don't know I don't live in that state.

I do think its bad for Tech's Brand to be lumped up with the rest. For that matter it is bad for ULL to be in the same conference as ULM. There isn't really a pecking order here as much as a regional rivalry. LSU is the only Power5 and Tulane isn't considered a Louisiana School by most. It is a New Orleans school which is different.

(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 02:34 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 01:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

It's not logistics, it's arrogance. Same as a whole bunch of ECU fans don't want to be in a conference with Charlotte and App State, it's not some logistical thing it's purely ECU thinking they are above having to do that. It's fine to just admit that's what it is, because that's what it is. You guys are honestly even worse about it than ECU though. ECU advocated hard for ODU and at the very least did not fight and maybe even supported Charlotte's entry into C-USA. You guys hung around till the dying days of the WAC when it made zero logistical sense at all just to avoid being in a league with the UL's. From the sound of it you guys would rather potentially relive history and go down with the C-USA ship instead of going with USM to the Sun-Belt.

Separation is a good thing. WE aren't arrogant just because we don't want what you want. We have done what we feel is best for our brand and our school. The WAC was fantastic for us even towards the end and to be honest so has CUSA. We have no regrets by not joining the Sunbelt. It certainly wasn't arrogance.

Pilot, you seem to be a pretty reasonable poster. Surely you can see that Tommy m’s presser in 2020 was pure arrogance personified. BTW, he was responding to our AD who contrary to what TM said merely floated the advantages of more regional scheduling (esp for Olympic sports) and not about moving or merging with cusa. That presser did a lot of harm to not only your school, but also your conf. It is clear he was merely playing to the worst of your fans in an effort to pad his resume for his next move.

(10-13-2021 05:17 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 02:54 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 02:34 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 01:40 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 11:51 AM)slycat Wrote:  The WAC was targeted multiple times. CUSA first as mentioned above then recently the MWC put the knife in deep and CUSA took what was left aside from TXST, NMSU, and Idaho.

Then a bunch of SBC bailed and went to CUSA. This ended up doing the SBC a favor because the got stronger in the long run.

Now you have a bunch of SBC teams that feel the bridge was burned by those that left and the manner they left. WKU seems to be the one team anyone has an interest in at this point.

Teams like LaTech will forever look done on the SBC but it could cost them ending up in whatever is left of CUSA after realignment. If geographical realignment is going to happens a lot of schools are going to have to get over their petty fights with teams in their region. For now you have some SBC schools that don't want to reach back out to those that left them 10 years ago and you have teams like LaTech and UAB that think they are too good for some teams in their region or what their idea of region really is.

If UAB doesn't think they are a west team and the east doesn't see them are part of their side, then where do they fit? I think that is why regionalization is hard. The teams in the middle can see both sides differently. It also appears no one wants to be with Texas teams.

You need to quit listening to your Sunbelt Peeps. Tech fans by and large respect the heck out of Texas State. We were good conference mates for a short bit in the WAC and I will never forget the last time we played in 2012. Tech doesn't look down on the Sunbelt. They just don't want to be grouped up in the same conference as the UL twins. It's not the Sunbelt its logistics. Ask any CUSA fan in the Western Division and they will tell you that Tech fans are passionate but overall friendly. Even UTSA whom we have a heated rivalry with will acknowledge that games with Tech are exciting and always eventful.

It's not logistics, it's arrogance. Same as a whole bunch of ECU fans don't want to be in a conference with Charlotte and App State, it's not some logistical thing it's purely ECU thinking they are above having to do that. It's fine to just admit that's what it is, because that's what it is. You guys are honestly even worse about it than ECU though. ECU advocated hard for ODU and at the very least did not fight and maybe even supported Charlotte's entry into C-USA. You guys hung around till the dying days of the WAC when it made zero logistical sense at all just to avoid being in a league with the UL's. From the sound of it you guys would rather potentially relive history and go down with the C-USA ship instead of going with USM to the Sun-Belt.

Separation is a good thing. WE aren't arrogant just because we don't want what you want. We have done what we feel is best for our brand and our school. The WAC was fantastic for us even towards the end and to be honest so has CUSA. We have no regrets by not joining the Sunbelt. It certainly wasn't arrogance.

Pilot, you seem to be a pretty reasonable poster. Surely you can see that Tommy m’s presser in 2020 was pure arrogance personified. BTW, he was responding to our AD who contrary to what TM said merely floated the advantages of more regional scheduling (esp for Olympic sports) and not about moving or merging with cusa. That presser did a lot of harm to not only your school, but also your conf. It is clear he was merely playing to the worst of your fans in an effort to pad his resume for his next move.

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