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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-06-2021 04:16 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So there's only one Tues and one Weds game in the entire SBC? If so then that's pretty dang good. Is that what's in the contract to prevent more than that, or could it be a lot more?

If AAC is forced to play more weeknight games then imo, you will see them take the SBC Thursday night games and push the SBC games to Tues/Weds nights, unless there's something in the contract to prevent that.

Yeah, I doubt that's how it's going to happen because the programs do have a say in this. I'd imagine there are some stipulations.
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-06-2021 04:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
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(10-06-2021 07:44 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  I can understand being concerned about the travel distances in the East, but I don't think its as bad as it seems on the surface. Here are the travel times from Huntington to each division mate (rounded) in both CUSA and SBC, according to Google Maps.

CUSA- WKU 4:30, UNCC 5:30, MTSU 5:45, ODU 7:15, FAU 15:00, FIU 15:30

SBC- App 4:45, CCU 7:30, GSU 7:45, GS 9:00, Troy 10:00

So the main difference is UNCC and MTSU giving you two more reasonable drives, but the SBC does offset that by having your longest drive 5+ hours less than two of your CUSA East foes. You also eliminate some of the Texas travel.

Also keep in mind that UAB and USM are very likely to be gone which means the closest CUSA West school will be La Tech at 13:15. Arkansas State, USA and ULM are all closer as would be USM if they join.

If either WKU or UNCC come with you, the SBC starts to make a whole lot of sense for the Herd.

The last part I agree with you 100%, and I'm guessing that's some of the hold up for us. As you can see, CUSA East is definitely better travel than SBC East. The biggest difference is, we will go from three bus games to only one. That's a pretty big difference in expenses when you consider all sports.

I appreciate the SBC fans who are actually trying to have a reasonable conversation. As for the ones who just want to throw little toddler temper tantrums because I'm not "all in" on the SBC, well, that's a different story.

I feel I was pretty objective and tried my best to lay out reasonable views from the Marshall perspective. I never said either conference was better than the other, I have said multiple times I think its overall a lateral move either way.

Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.

Bingo!
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-06-2021 04:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 01:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-06-2021 10:43 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 07:44 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  I can understand being concerned about the travel distances in the East, but I don't think its as bad as it seems on the surface. Here are the travel times from Huntington to each division mate (rounded) in both CUSA and SBC, according to Google Maps.

CUSA- WKU 4:30, UNCC 5:30, MTSU 5:45, ODU 7:15, FAU 15:00, FIU 15:30

SBC- App 4:45, CCU 7:30, GSU 7:45, GS 9:00, Troy 10:00

So the main difference is UNCC and MTSU giving you two more reasonable drives, but the SBC does offset that by having your longest drive 5+ hours less than two of your CUSA East foes. You also eliminate some of the Texas travel.

Also keep in mind that UAB and USM are very likely to be gone which means the closest CUSA West school will be La Tech at 13:15. Arkansas State, USA and ULM are all closer as would be USM if they join.

If either WKU or UNCC come with you, the SBC starts to make a whole lot of sense for the Herd.

The last part I agree with you 100%, and I'm guessing that's some of the hold up for us. As you can see, CUSA East is definitely better travel than SBC East. The biggest difference is, we will go from three bus games to only one. That's a pretty big difference in expenses when you consider all sports.

I appreciate the SBC fans who are actually trying to have a reasonable conversation. As for the ones who just want to throw little toddler temper tantrums because I'm not "all in" on the SBC, well, that's a different story.

I feel I was pretty objective and tried my best to lay out reasonable views from the Marshall perspective. I never said either conference was better than the other, I have said multiple times I think its overall a lateral move either way.

Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-06-2021 04:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-06-2021 10:43 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The last part I agree with you 100%, and I'm guessing that's some of the hold up for us. As you can see, CUSA East is definitely better travel than SBC East. The biggest difference is, we will go from three bus games to only one. That's a pretty big difference in expenses when you consider all sports.

I appreciate the SBC fans who are actually trying to have a reasonable conversation. As for the ones who just want to throw little toddler temper tantrums because I'm not "all in" on the SBC, well, that's a different story.

I feel I was pretty objective and tried my best to lay out reasonable views from the Marshall perspective. I never said either conference was better than the other, I have said multiple times I think its overall a lateral move either way.

Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

Overall the Tuesday/Wednesday games have been few. Usually if an SBC team plays its a Thursday. With the increase in TV games this may change. Coastal will be a good indicator as to how many midweek games a top team might expect to play in the SBC.
Also, some of them might be away games. So focus on home games. One year GS had 3 midweek games I think when we were good. I would imagine that a top team will get 2 midweek home games. One on a Tuesday (ESPN or 2) and on a Thursday ( 2 or U). Most good teams likely one midweek games. It really depends on the matchup.
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(10-06-2021 04:16 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So there's only one Tues and one Weds game in the entire SBC? If so then that's pretty dang good. Is that what's in the contract to prevent more than that, or could it be a lot more?

If AAC is forced to play more weeknight games then imo, you will see them take the SBC Thursday night games and push the SBC games to Tues/Weds nights, unless there's something in the contract to prevent that.

SBC TV deal prevents that. ESPN Can only take 2 Midweek games. And we’re guaranteed a certain amount of TV games on Saturday. They can’t bump us off a TV network for the AAC. They can push us to the U. But that’s it
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-06-2021 04:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 04:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 01:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:59 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 10:43 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The last part I agree with you 100%, and I'm guessing that's some of the hold up for us. As you can see, CUSA East is definitely better travel than SBC East. The biggest difference is, we will go from three bus games to only one. That's a pretty big difference in expenses when you consider all sports.

I appreciate the SBC fans who are actually trying to have a reasonable conversation. As for the ones who just want to throw little toddler temper tantrums because I'm not "all in" on the SBC, well, that's a different story.

I feel I was pretty objective and tried my best to lay out reasonable views from the Marshall perspective. I never said either conference was better than the other, I have said multiple times I think its overall a lateral move either way.

Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

2 total Tuesday/Wednesday games. A team cannot host both. They can get both Midweek games but only one can be at home

There’s technically no limit on Thursday games but in practice there’s a limit on those
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(10-06-2021 04:16 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So there's only one Tues and one Weds game in the entire SBC? If so then that's pretty dang good. Is that what's in the contract to prevent more than that, or could it be a lot more?

If AAC is forced to play more weeknight games then imo, you will see them take the SBC Thursday night games and push the SBC games to Tues/Weds nights, unless there's something in the contract to prevent that.

Only two Tuesday/Wednesday games the entire season, and it can't be more than that.

The lost souls over on CUSAbbs have tried to make it sound like we play Tuesday/Wednesday games every week, or that we have a deal similar to the MAC. And it is not even remotely true.

If you're getting your SBC facts from the CUSA board, it most likely isn't accurate.
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At the end of the day, herdfan and most Marshall fans have ad-nauseam voiced displeasure with CUSA. If you do nothing you’re stuck with that displeasure. S**t or get off the pot. Marshall fans have a reputation for complaining that nothing is ever good enough for you. Always complaining about opponents, travel, not being geographically centric, lack of tv exposure, your commissioner’s vehicular choices. Ugh. Enough.

I’d like App to share a conference with you, but don’t expect any of us to grovel, offer a sweetheart deal, or worship at the altar.
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
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(10-06-2021 04:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-06-2021 10:59 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

2 total Tuesday/Wednesday games. A team cannot host both. They can get both Midweek games but only one can be at home

There’s technically no limit on Thursday games but in practice there’s a limit on those


Got ya. Is this 2 total per team, or 2 total for the entire SBC?
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(10-06-2021 04:16 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So there's only one Tues and one Weds game in the entire SBC? If so then that's pretty dang good. Is that what's in the contract to prevent more than that, or could it be a lot more?

If AAC is forced to play more weeknight games then imo, you will see them take the SBC Thursday night games and push the SBC games to Tues/Weds nights, unless there's something in the contract to prevent that.

Only two Tuesday/Wednesday games the entire season, and it can't be more than that.

The lost souls over on CUSAbbs have tried to make it sound like we play Tuesday/Wednesday games every week, or that we have a deal similar to the MAC. And it is not even remotely true.

If you're getting your SBC facts from the CUSA board, it most likely isn't accurate.

Thursday games aren't even that bad. I'd rather Troy play on Thursday nights with ESPN exposure than Saturday with no exposure. I want people watching us, well not right now, rather than not watching.

Weekday games will become more popular. Just got to imagine Tuesday being primetime and it's cool 04-cheers
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-07-2021 09:07 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 04:16 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So there's only one Tues and one Weds game in the entire SBC? If so then that's pretty dang good. Is that what's in the contract to prevent more than that, or could it be a lot more?

If AAC is forced to play more weeknight games then imo, you will see them take the SBC Thursday night games and push the SBC games to Tues/Weds nights, unless there's something in the contract to prevent that.

Only two Tuesday/Wednesday games the entire season, and it can't be more than that.

The lost souls over on CUSAbbs have tried to make it sound like we play Tuesday/Wednesday games every week, or that we have a deal similar to the MAC. And it is not even remotely true.

If you're getting your SBC facts from the CUSA board, it most likely isn't accurate.


That's what I thought and what I was saying...then some SBC posters in this thread were trashing me calling me a hypocrite because I said we wouldn't go back to the MAC because of all the Tues/Weds games. I'm starting to think some of the SBC posters have trouble with reading comprehension.
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(10-06-2021 04:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-06-2021 01:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

2 total Tuesday/Wednesday games. A team cannot host both. They can get both Midweek games but only one can be at home

There’s technically no limit on Thursday games but in practice there’s a limit on those


Got ya. Is this 2 total per team, or 2 total for the entire SBC?

I'm pretty sure it's 2 for the SBC. For example. App State/Louisiana is the only game on Tuesday or Wednesday this year. Sucks to have that specific one but it's the price you pay for exposure. When you build a conference of teams with strong fan support though what you lose in some ticket sales might be worth it if we are talking national exposure. Not saying definitely. Just saying maybe.
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(10-06-2021 10:43 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The last part I agree with you 100%, and I'm guessing that's some of the hold up for us. As you can see, CUSA East is definitely better travel than SBC East. The biggest difference is, we will go from three bus games to only one. That's a pretty big difference in expenses when you consider all sports.

I appreciate the SBC fans who are actually trying to have a reasonable conversation. As for the ones who just want to throw little toddler temper tantrums because I'm not "all in" on the SBC, well, that's a different story.

I feel I was pretty objective and tried my best to lay out reasonable views from the Marshall perspective. I never said either conference was better than the other, I have said multiple times I think its overall a lateral move either way.

Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

I didn't claim you only get one. The MAC plays all of MACtion during the week in November while the Sun Belt may have a few Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday games but only one each of Tuesday and Wednesday. You're not going to get two Tueaday games, for instance.

App has back to back mod-week games because that's the way the scheduling worked out best, I'd imagine.

So two Thursday games, a Tuesday and Wednesday game, and the rest Saturdays. The Thursday games were against ECU and Marshall and were scheduled in an effort to maximize viewership, which was successful.

So you can keep playing in front of 8,000 people on Stadium on a Saturday in front of 24,000 fans in Huntington or play a program like App on a Thursday on ESPN in front of 28,000 fans with 1.1 million viewers on TV. Or 18,000 to 20,000 fans on a Tuesday with probably 700,000 viewers.

I'm confused as to what you want. To maximize branding, the mid-week games don't hurt the Sun Belt as bad in attendance as much as the MAC who get no weekend games in November.
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(10-06-2021 01:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

2 total Tuesday/Wednesday games. A team cannot host both. They can get both Midweek games but only one can be at home

There’s technically no limit on Thursday games but in practice there’s a limit on those


Got ya. Is this 2 total per team, or 2 total for the entire SBC?

2 total for the entire SBC.

In other words, out of 80 total SBC matchups this season... only 2 will be shown on Tuesday/Wednesday.
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Pretty much all MAC games are midweek for the MAC in November. 40%ish of SB games are midweek in October.
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(10-06-2021 04:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

2 total Tuesday/Wednesday games. A team cannot host both. They can get both Midweek games but only one can be at home

There’s technically no limit on Thursday games but in practice there’s a limit on those


Got ya. Is this 2 total per team, or 2 total for the entire SBC?

I'm pretty sure it's 2 for the SBC. For example. App State/Louisiana is the only game on Tuesday or Wednesday this year. Sucks to have that specific one but it's the price you pay for exposure. When you build a conference of teams with strong fan support though what you lose in some ticket sales might be worth it if we are talking national exposure. Not saying definitely. Just saying maybe.


Two games for the entire conference is AWESOME. Good job by Gill or whoever negotiated that....MUCH different than the MAC. I'm jealous of the SBC media deal that's for sure.
10-07-2021 11:02 AM
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(10-07-2021 09:53 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
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(10-06-2021 10:59 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Now, by comparison, consider the MAC with JMU also a member. Marshall would be within five hours driving distance of nine MAC schools (Ohio, Akron, Kent State, Miami, JMU, Ball State, BGSU, Toledo and EMU), as well as Cleveland, where the MAC basketball tourney is played at Quicken Loans Arena, the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers.


As long as the MAC forces us to play Tues/Weds games then I don't see us ever going back. We would consider it with a sweetheart deal of no Tues/Weds home games. The MAC isn't going to offer that, so it's a non-starter.

Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

I didn't claim you only get one. The MAC plays all of MACtion during the week in November while the Sun Belt may have a few Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday games but only one each of Tuesday and Wednesday. You're not going to get two Tueaday games, for instance.

App has back to back mod-week games because that's the way the scheduling worked out best, I'd imagine.

So two Thursday games, a Tuesday and Wednesday game, and the rest Saturdays. The Thursday games were against ECU and Marshall and were scheduled in an effort to maximize viewership, which was successful.

So you can keep playing in front of 8,000 people on Stadium on a Saturday in front of 24,000 fans in Huntington or play a program like App on a Thursday on ESPN in front of 28,000 fans with 1.1 million viewers on TV. Or 18,000 to 20,000 fans on a Tuesday with probably 700,000 viewers.

I'm confused as to what you want. To maximize branding, the mid-week games don't hurt the Sun Belt as bad in attendance as much as the MAC who get no weekend games in November.


Not a single time have I bashed Thursday night games. Not once have I tried to lump all mid week games in to one. I have specifically and repeatedly mentioned the Tues/Weds night games.
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RE: So do we find anything out this week?
(10-07-2021 10:35 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(10-07-2021 09:45 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 05:11 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 04:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-06-2021 04:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Well, according to your post a couple of weeks ago you wanted to come to the Sun Belt to get on ESPN. So which it? No Tuesday/Wednesday games, or Tuesday/Wednesday games?

The Sun Belt's grouping is in October while MAC is in November. Either way you're going to have a game or two mid-week if you're worth anything.


BIG DIFFERENCE in what the MAC has and what you guys have claimed the SBC has. In the MAC they will play countless games on Tues/Weds night.

You guys are claiming that each SBC only has to play 1 Tues/Weds home game per season.

Which is it?

2 total Tuesday/Wednesday games. A team cannot host both. They can get both Midweek games but only one can be at home

There’s technically no limit on Thursday games but in practice there’s a limit on those


Got ya. Is this 2 total per team, or 2 total for the entire SBC?

2 total for the entire SBC.

In other words, out of 80 total SBC matchups this season... only 2 will be shown on Tuesday/Wednesday.

This year App is in both but they're back to back so it's not terribly disruptive to the schedule. What hurt our schedule this year is having both ECU and Marshall moved to Thursday (for different reasons) after the original schedule was released.

We're basically playing the "worst" schedule TV wise that can happen, but the ECU game wasn't due to the SBC contract. Marshall should be able to handle 2 mid-week home games in the SBC since they'd face the same if not worse in the AAC.
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