(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as well would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

Bob, what we have are two policy decisions which INDIVIDUALLY seem very fare and reasonable to me:

1). Can play 4 games and retain a redshirt (NOTE: each player gets ONE redshirt, period. Not one regular + one medical).

2). Transfer portal with the one free transfer.

Example, the kicker is out with a strained something. Another kicker comes in for 2 games and blows a season of eligibility. Ditto with a QB. Last game of the season, the starter is hurt, and someone may have to blow a redshirt year.

As Bob indicated where it gets ugly is: player plays 4 games, decides he wants to move on and quits mid-season and then stays on campus works out in the S&C facilities, etc. Gets housing. meals. Getting COA monies? Tutoring?

What did he give up by quitting the team?

Let's use this example: Player X is say a true JUNIOR. He is living off campus with a couple teammates. He quits after 4 games, etc. etc. what happens 2nd semester? Does his teammates get stuck with his share of the apartment rent if he moves on to a new school? (I assume the lease is 'joint and several' which means ALL are responsible).

We have to remember there are a lot of academic, housing, financial, legal, etc. etc. issues. A player can **** up royally if he makes a stupid decision.

(09-28-2021 04:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as well would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

Bob, what we have are two policy decisions which INDIVIDUALLY seem very fare and reasonable to me:

1). Can play 4 games and retain a redshirt (NOTE: each player gets ONE redshirt, period. Not one regular + one medical).

2). Transfer portal with the one free transfer.

Example, the kicker is out with a strained something. Another kicker comes in for 2 games and blows a season of eligibility. Ditto with a QB. Last game of the season, the starter is hurt, and someone may have to blow a redshirt year.

As Bob indicated where it gets ugly is: player plays 4 games, decides he wants to move on and quits mid-season and then stays on campus works out in the S&C facilities, etc. Gets housing. meals. Getting COA monies? Tutoring?

What did he give up by quitting the team?

Let's use this example: Player X is say a true JUNIOR. He is living off campus with a couple teammates. He quits after 4 games, etc. etc. what happens 2nd semester? Does his teammates get stuck with his share of the apartment rent if he moves on to a new school? (I assume the lease is 'joint and several' which means ALL are responsible).

We have to remember there are a lot of academic, housing, financial, legal, etc. etc. issues. A player can **** up royally if he makes a stupid decision.

If a kid leaves his apartment he should absolutely be 100% responsible for his/her portion of the rent.

I also think that once a kid enters the transfer portal he should pay the school a prorated amount for all tuition and housing costs during the time he is still a student at that school. Cant afford it? Then don't transfer or just take out a loan for the costs like many other students do.

(09-28-2021 07:08 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as well would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

Bob, what we have are two policy decisions which INDIVIDUALLY seem very fare and reasonable to me:

1). Can play 4 games and retain a redshirt (NOTE: each player gets ONE redshirt, period. Not one regular + one medical).

2). Transfer portal with the one free transfer.

Example, the kicker is out with a strained something. Another kicker comes in for 2 games and blows a season of eligibility. Ditto with a QB. Last game of the season, the starter is hurt, and someone may have to blow a redshirt year.

As Bob indicated where it gets ugly is: player plays 4 games, decides he wants to move on and quits mid-season and then stays on campus works out in the S&C facilities, etc. Gets housing. meals. Getting COA monies? Tutoring?

What did he give up by quitting the team?

Let's use this example: Player X is say a true JUNIOR. He is living off campus with a couple teammates. He quits after 4 games, etc. etc. what happens 2nd semester? Does his teammates get stuck with his share of the apartment rent if he moves on to a new school? (I assume the lease is 'joint and several' which means ALL are responsible).

We have to remember there are a lot of academic, housing, financial, legal, etc. etc. issues. A player can **** up royally if he makes a stupid decision.

If a kid leaves his apartment he should absolutely be 100% responsible for his/her portion of the rent.

I also think that once a kid enters the transfer portal he should pay the school a prorated amount for all tuition and housing costs during the time he is still a student at that school. Cant afford it? Then don't transfer or just take out a loan for the costs like many other students do.

What I assume will happen is that the kids will stay on scholarship, etc. until the end of the 1st semester. No one, including the school, wants the kid not leaving in good academic standing.

Young kids don't realize the financial risk of entering into a lease with other people. I hope Pope (OSU) doesn't leave his house mates up the creek.

(09-28-2021 07:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:08 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as well would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

Bob, what we have are two policy decisions which INDIVIDUALLY seem very fare and reasonable to me:

1). Can play 4 games and retain a redshirt (NOTE: each player gets ONE redshirt, period. Not one regular + one medical).

2). Transfer portal with the one free transfer.

Example, the kicker is out with a strained something. Another kicker comes in for 2 games and blows a season of eligibility. Ditto with a QB. Last game of the season, the starter is hurt, and someone may have to blow a redshirt year.

As Bob indicated where it gets ugly is: player plays 4 games, decides he wants to move on and quits mid-season and then stays on campus works out in the S&C facilities, etc. Gets housing. meals. Getting COA monies? Tutoring?

What did he give up by quitting the team?

Let's use this example: Player X is say a true JUNIOR. He is living off campus with a couple teammates. He quits after 4 games, etc. etc. what happens 2nd semester? Does his teammates get stuck with his share of the apartment rent if he moves on to a new school? (I assume the lease is 'joint and several' which means ALL are responsible).

We have to remember there are a lot of academic, housing, financial, legal, etc. etc. issues. A player can **** up royally if he makes a stupid decision.

If a kid leaves his apartment he should absolutely be 100% responsible for his/her portion of the rent.

I also think that once a kid enters the transfer portal he should pay the school a prorated amount for all tuition and housing costs during the time he is still a student at that school. Cant afford it? Then don't transfer or just take out a loan for the costs like many other students do.

What I assume will happen is that the kids will stay on scholarship, etc. until the end of the 1st semester. No one, including the school, wants the kid not leaving in good academic standing.

Young kids don't realize the financial risk of entering into a lease with other people. I hope Pope (OSU) doesn't leave his house mates up the creek.

The "four game limit" to extending another year of eligibility was created when athletes had to sit out a year when transferring to another school as the environment was different to today. With immediate transfer eligibility now enacted, the "four game limit" needs to GO AWAY IMMEDIATELY as the world has changed when it was enacted, plain and simple.

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

randy edsall ditched his team on the flight home from a bowl game to take the maryland job. tommy tuberville left dinner with a recruit to take the auburn job. bobby petrinos entire career exists. so does nick sabans.

this is EXACTLY how this business is ran.

(09-29-2021 07:03 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

randy edsall ditched his team on the flight home from a bowl game to take the maryland job. tommy tuberville left dinner with a recruit to take the auburn job. bobby petrinos entire career exists. so does nick sabans.

this is EXACTLY how this business is ran.

That is EXACTLY how creeps with no ethics run business. Just because someone acts like an A-hole, doesn't mean you must too. No one on earth looks at Tuberville, Petrino, hell, you could go on and on...Saban, Kiffin, etc. as virtuous people. I live my life NOT to be like those khaki wearing empty vessels...Bobby Petrino?! that is someone to emulate!!! What a stud that guy is.

(09-29-2021 07:22 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:03 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

randy edsall ditched his team on the flight home from a bowl game to take the maryland job. tommy tuberville left dinner with a recruit to take the auburn job. bobby petrinos entire career exists. so does nick sabans.

this is EXACTLY how this business is ran.

That is EXACTLY how creeps with no ethics run business. Just because someone acts like an A-hole, doesn't mean you must too. No one on earth looks at Tuberville, Petrino, hell, you could go on and on...Saban, Kiffin, etc. as virtuous people. I live my life NOT to be like those khaki wearing empty vessels...Bobby Petrino?! that is someone to emulate!!! What a stud that guy is.

Ben Bryant had his offer to Wisconsin pulled because he tweeted about another school showing interest. players can finally have a smidge of power that the schools and coaches have always had. this is good for players and bad for old windbags.

(09-29-2021 07:28 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:22 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:03 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

randy edsall ditched his team on the flight home from a bowl game to take the maryland job. tommy tuberville left dinner with a recruit to take the auburn job. bobby petrinos entire career exists. so does nick sabans.

this is EXACTLY how this business is ran.

That is EXACTLY how creeps with no ethics run business. Just because someone acts like an A-hole, doesn't mean you must too. No one on earth looks at Tuberville, Petrino, hell, you could go on and on...Saban, Kiffin, etc. as virtuous people. I live my life NOT to be like those khaki wearing empty vessels...Bobby Petrino?! that is someone to emulate!!! What a stud that guy is.

Ben Bryant had his offer to Wisconsin pulled because he tweeted about another school showing interest. players can finally have a smidge of power that the schools and coaches have always had. this is good for players and bad for old windbags.

Says the guy who probably never played a sport in his life unless being a male cheerleader is considered a sport.

(09-29-2021 02:58 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:28 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:22 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:03 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

randy edsall ditched his team on the flight home from a bowl game to take the maryland job. tommy tuberville left dinner with a recruit to take the auburn job. bobby petrinos entire career exists. so does nick sabans.

this is EXACTLY how this business is ran.

That is EXACTLY how creeps with no ethics run business. Just because someone acts like an A-hole, doesn't mean you must too. No one on earth looks at Tuberville, Petrino, hell, you could go on and on...Saban, Kiffin, etc. as virtuous people. I live my life NOT to be like those khaki wearing empty vessels...Bobby Petrino?! that is someone to emulate!!! What a stud that guy is.

Ben Bryant had his offer to Wisconsin pulled because he tweeted about another school showing interest. players can finally have a smidge of power that the schools and coaches have always had. this is good for players and bad for old windbags.

Says the guy who probably never played a sport in his life unless being a male cheerleader is considered a sport.

played high school hockey - i know all about being on a team and whats that like

get over yourself

(09-29-2021 02:58 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:28 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:22 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 07:03 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 03:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.

randy edsall ditched his team on the flight home from a bowl game to take the maryland job. tommy tuberville left dinner with a recruit to take the auburn job. bobby petrinos entire career exists. so does nick sabans.

this is EXACTLY how this business is ran.

That is EXACTLY how creeps with no ethics run business. Just because someone acts like an A-hole, doesn't mean you must too. No one on earth looks at Tuberville, Petrino, hell, you could go on and on...Saban, Kiffin, etc. as virtuous people. I live my life NOT to be like those khaki wearing empty vessels...Bobby Petrino?! that is someone to emulate!!! What a stud that guy is.

Ben Bryant had his offer to Wisconsin pulled because he tweeted about another school showing interest. players can finally have a smidge of power that the schools and coaches have always had. this is good for players and bad for old windbags.

Says the guy who probably never played a sport in his life unless being a male cheerleader is considered a sport.

Dude, a male cheerleader would hang you out to dry (me too, to be fair). And yes, weightlifting is a sport.

Another mid-season bailer.

https://247sports.com/Article/Michigan-f...172114194/

It's too easy to leave rather than put in the hard work. I don't have a problem with out-of-season transfers, but it seems to be becoming too acceptable for these guys to take their ball and go home mid-season.

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Another mid-season bailer.

https://247sports.com/Article/Michigan-f...172114194/

It's too easy to leave rather than put in the hard work. I don't have a problem with out-of-season transfers, but it seems to be becoming too acceptable for these guys to take their ball and go home mid-season.

Don't remember where I posted it (assume I did). We need to remember that players still get ONE redshirt season.

This player has ALREADY redshirted. So unless I'm missing something, he isn't going for the 4-game redshirt.

Someone tell me I'm wrong and the player is doing something smart and in his best interest.

(10-01-2021 02:01 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Another mid-season bailer.

https://247sports.com/Article/Michigan-f...172114194/

It's too easy to leave rather than put in the hard work. I don't have a problem with out-of-season transfers, but it seems to be becoming too acceptable for these guys to take their ball and go home mid-season.

Don't remember where I posted it (assume I did). We need to remember that players still get ONE redshirt season.

This player has ALREADY redshirted. So unless I'm missing something, he isn't going for the 4-game redshirt.

Someone tell me I'm wrong and the player is doing something smart and in his best interest.

Man....mid-season bailing out on the team is brutal. If this is to take advantage of the portal rules, NCAA needs to make a rule that players cannot transfer out mid-season.

(10-01-2021 02:37 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 02:01 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Another mid-season bailer.

https://247sports.com/Article/Michigan-f...172114194/

It's too easy to leave rather than put in the hard work. I don't have a problem with out-of-season transfers, but it seems to be becoming too acceptable for these guys to take their ball and go home mid-season.

Don't remember where I posted it (assume I did). We need to remember that players still get ONE redshirt season.

This player has ALREADY redshirted. So unless I'm missing something, he isn't going for the 4-game redshirt.

Someone tell me I'm wrong and the player is doing something smart and in his best interest.

Man....mid-season bailing out on the team is brutal. If this is to take advantage of the portal rules, NCAA needs to make a rule that players cannot transfer out mid-season.

Man, we had one of our starting RBs 2 years ago not play in the last game as he was transferring. He wasn't that great and we won anyway.

(10-01-2021 04:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 02:37 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 02:01 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Another mid-season bailer.

https://247sports.com/Article/Michigan-f...172114194/

It's too easy to leave rather than put in the hard work. I don't have a problem with out-of-season transfers, but it seems to be becoming too acceptable for these guys to take their ball and go home mid-season.

Don't remember where I posted it (assume I did). We need to remember that players still get ONE redshirt season.

This player has ALREADY redshirted. So unless I'm missing something, he isn't going for the 4-game redshirt.

Someone tell me I'm wrong and the player is doing something smart and in his best interest.

Man....mid-season bailing out on the team is brutal. If this is to take advantage of the portal rules, NCAA needs to make a rule that players cannot transfer out mid-season.

Man, we had one of our starting RBs 2 years ago not play in the last game as he was transferring. He wasn't that great and we won anyway.

Don't want to seem like a DP wannabe, but apparently they feel that getting their name in the portal early is a big advantage for a mid-year transfer.

Whether that is fair, is another question.

(10-01-2021 05:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 04:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 02:37 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 02:01 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 01:20 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  Another mid-season bailer.

https://247sports.com/Article/Michigan-f...172114194/

It's too easy to leave rather than put in the hard work. I don't have a problem with out-of-season transfers, but it seems to be becoming too acceptable for these guys to take their ball and go home mid-season.

Don't remember where I posted it (assume I did). We need to remember that players still get ONE redshirt season.

This player has ALREADY redshirted. So unless I'm missing something, he isn't going for the 4-game redshirt.

Someone tell me I'm wrong and the player is doing something smart and in his best interest.

Man....mid-season bailing out on the team is brutal. If this is to take advantage of the portal rules, NCAA needs to make a rule that players cannot transfer out mid-season.

Man, we had one of our starting RBs 2 years ago not play in the last game as he was transferring. He wasn't that great and we won anyway.

Don't want to seem like a DP wannabe, but apparently they feel that getting their name in the portal early is a big advantage for a mid-year transfer.

Whether that is fair, is another question.

gives schools more time to evaluate talent and players more time to evaluate programs

and the 4 game thing is for real