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(08-27-2021 02:31 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 12:53 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 12:41 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  I see the Big12 adding BYU and one team from the AAC and stopping at 10. No need to dliute the pie further with teams that aren't bringing in much (if any) additional money. If the AAC only loses one, I could see them standing pat at 10 for the same reason.

Possibly. At least initially. But TV may tell them they need the markets of Orlando, Cincinnati, Houston and/or Dallas.

The Big 12 would almost have to take Cincy if they want to keep WVU. WVU is nowhere near the rest of the conference and a Cincy add would give them a geographic rival and travel partner. Of course, with that in mind the same could be said of BYU (and Boise St?).

Two more adds could be Houston and SMU to get Texas teams and the old gang back together again...

WVU is probably gone anyway. But they'll gladly take Cincinnati's money just in case.

(08-27-2021 02:31 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Two more adds could be Houston and SMU to get Texas teams and the old gang back together again...

Not if it doesn't bring monetary value to the conference. Houston will already have a difficult enough time getting the other three Texas schools to vote for them. SMU has no shot at all. On the other hand, the Athletic reported that Houston is definitely on the PAC 12 radar as a possible future member and this could affect the Big 12 considering them or not.

(08-27-2021 03:07 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 02:31 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Two more adds could be Houston and SMU to get Texas teams and the old gang back together again...

Not if it doesn't bring monetary value to the conference. Houston will already have a difficult enough time getting the other three Texas schools to vote for them. SMU has no shot at all. On the other hand, the Athletic reported that Houston is definitely on the PAC 12 radar as a possible future member and this could affect the Big 12 considering them or not.

The PAC will eventually be in the same position as the Big What's Left, in search of replacement teams.

As I've mentioned, there ain't gonna be a Big 12 in 5-10 years. There will be a Big Pacific or something to that effect. It'll include what gets left behind from the Pac-12 and what gets left behind from the Big 12. And it probably ain't gonna include any of the AAC/MW teams they separate from their entrance fees so that they can separate OU and Texas from their exit fees over the next 3-4 years.

What happened to the Big East will be what happens to the Big 12 and probably the ACC eventually. Teams will move, they will do it in stages to separate from the weaker teams, and then that will be repeated below them.

Hate to break it to every hopeful, but their ain't a hail mary's chance they will ever be included in the club, and anyone who gets close will get the TCU/SMU/Uconn treatment. In other words, they'll let them pay a club membership fee, then the cool kids will bolt for another club.

And yes, before you say it Hidden, the same thing is gonna happen to UAB when UAB joins the AAC. But that will still be a better address than C-USA, and UAB should and will make that move because the truth is what Snauzer said: If we don't someone else will and our existing club gets even dorkier.

(08-27-2021 04:06 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  As I've mentioned, there ain't gonna be a Big 12 in 5-10 years. There will be a Big Pacific or something to that effect. It'll include what gets left behind from the Pac-12 and what gets left behind from the Big 12. And it probably ain't gonna include any of the AAC/MW teams they separate from their entrance fees so that they can separate OU and Texas from their exit fees over the next 3-4 years.

What happened to the Big East will be what happens to the Big 12 and probably the ACC eventually. Teams will move, they will do it in stages to separate from the weaker teams, and then that will be repeated below them.

Hate to break it to every hopeful, but their ain't a hail mary's chance they will ever be included in the club, and anyone who gets close will get the TCU/SMU/Uconn treatment. In other words, they'll let them pay a club membership fee, then the cool kids will bolt for another club.

And yes, before you say it Hidden, the same thing is gonna happen to UAB when UAB joins the AAC. But that will still be a better address than C-USA, and UAB should and will make that move because the truth is what Snauzer said: If we don't someone else will and our existing club gets even dorkier.

The Athletic discuss that everyone states the Big 12 will break up but there hasn’t been any interest in their teams just speculation. The PAC 12 decided to stay and not expand for now.

(08-27-2021 04:23 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 04:06 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  As I've mentioned, there ain't gonna be a Big 12 in 5-10 years. There will be a Big Pacific or something to that effect. It'll include what gets left behind from the Pac-12 and what gets left behind from the Big 12. And it probably ain't gonna include any of the AAC/MW teams they separate from their entrance fees so that they can separate OU and Texas from their exit fees over the next 3-4 years.

What happened to the Big East will be what happens to the Big 12 and probably the ACC eventually. Teams will move, they will do it in stages to separate from the weaker teams, and then that will be repeated below them.

Hate to break it to every hopeful, but their ain't a hail mary's chance they will ever be included in the club, and anyone who gets close will get the TCU/SMU/Uconn treatment. In other words, they'll let them pay a club membership fee, then the cool kids will bolt for another club.

And yes, before you say it Hidden, the same thing is gonna happen to UAB when UAB joins the AAC. But that will still be a better address than C-USA, and UAB should and will make that move because the truth is what Snauzer said: If we don't someone else will and our existing club gets even dorkier.

The Athletic discuss that everyone states the Big 12 will break up but there hasn’t been any interest in their teams just speculation. The PAC 12 decided to stay and not expand for now.

There won't be until some other things happen. This will play out over 5-10 years.

Let me explain how this works.

We're gravitating toward two major conferences, not 5, not 4 or 3. These are going to be the biggest brands and they aren't athletic conferences -- they are programming agreements. They can't just do this. They can't just kick people out, either. Too many lawsuits. Has to play out over time.

The way this happens is consolidation that leaves someone behind, not kicking them out. And it has to be done in stages to maneuver the legalities. We're talking YEARS.

Simplest way to describe it.

-- You're going to pay me to screw you (entrance fee).
-- I'm gonna turn around and screw you. (leave for new address)
-- I'm gonna make it up to you by giving you the money I got to get screwed. (exit fees)
-- Then you're gonna screw somebody else the same way.

(08-27-2021 04:24 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 04:23 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 04:06 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  As I've mentioned, there ain't gonna be a Big 12 in 5-10 years. There will be a Big Pacific or something to that effect. It'll include what gets left behind from the Pac-12 and what gets left behind from the Big 12. And it probably ain't gonna include any of the AAC/MW teams they separate from their entrance fees so that they can separate OU and Texas from their exit fees over the next 3-4 years.

What happened to the Big East will be what happens to the Big 12 and probably the ACC eventually. Teams will move, they will do it in stages to separate from the weaker teams, and then that will be repeated below them.

Hate to break it to every hopeful, but their ain't a hail mary's chance they will ever be included in the club, and anyone who gets close will get the TCU/SMU/Uconn treatment. In other words, they'll let them pay a club membership fee, then the cool kids will bolt for another club.

And yes, before you say it Hidden, the same thing is gonna happen to UAB when UAB joins the AAC. But that will still be a better address than C-USA, and UAB should and will make that move because the truth is what Snauzer said: If we don't someone else will and our existing club gets even dorkier.

The Athletic discuss that everyone states the Big 12 will break up but there hasn’t been any interest in their teams just speculation. The PAC 12 decided to stay and not expand for now.

There won't be until some other things happen. This will play out over 5-10 years.

The only way to avoid that, at least in the short term, is to require (re)affirmation(w/signed grants of rights commitment/forfeiture like ACC) from all current and future B12 teams for an extended period of time, like 10 years. Even then, if a team gets a better offer, they'll just get the lawyers involved and we're back there anyway. But, they would at least be able to pretend the B12 has a future.

(08-27-2021 04:23 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 04:06 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  As I've mentioned, there ain't gonna be a Big 12 in 5-10 years. There will be a Big Pacific or something to that effect. It'll include what gets left behind from the Pac-12 and what gets left behind from the Big 12. And it probably ain't gonna include any of the AAC/MW teams they separate from their entrance fees so that they can separate OU and Texas from their exit fees over the next 3-4 years.

What happened to the Big East will be what happens to the Big 12 and probably the ACC eventually. Teams will move, they will do it in stages to separate from the weaker teams, and then that will be repeated below them.

Hate to break it to every hopeful, but their ain't a hail mary's chance they will ever be included in the club, and anyone who gets close will get the TCU/SMU/Uconn treatment. In other words, they'll let them pay a club membership fee, then the cool kids will bolt for another club.

And yes, before you say it Hidden, the same thing is gonna happen to UAB when UAB joins the AAC. But that will still be a better address than C-USA, and UAB should and will make that move because the truth is what Snauzer said: If we don't someone else will and our existing club gets even dorkier.

The Athletic discuss that everyone states the Big 12 will break up but there hasn’t been any interest in their teams just speculation. The PAC 12 decided to stay and not expand for now.

Right. The SEC did their due diligence and didn't judge the rest of the Big 12 worthy of association. Why would anyone expect the Big 10 (or Pac 12 or ACC) to come to a different conclusion? If their goal is to try to stay competitive with the SEC, bringing in their rejects doesn't sound like a sound plan.

Those teams are now outside the circle. The same fate is coming for the Pac 12 and ACC (possibly the Big 10 too). It's just a matter of timing.

The SEC skimmed the cream and left the rest of the B12 refugees. The B1G, PAC, and ACC all jumped on the next plane out and waved goodbye to the poor L8. "No more seats, sorry, but good luck to you!".

(08-27-2021 06:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The SEC skimmed the cream and left the rest of the B12 refugees. The B1G, PAC, and ACC all jumped on the next plane out and waved goodbye to the poor L8. "No more seats, sorry, but good luck to you!".

The sec will end up with Kansas and Oklahoma State by 2030 at latest.

And it will end up with a division that looks like this:

Oklahoma
OSU
Texas
Texas A&M
Mizzou
Kansas

Big 12 Turns to the Aggressor in Realignment

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2021/8/2...otball-ucf

(08-27-2021 06:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The SEC skimmed the cream and left the rest of the B12 refugees. The B1G, PAC, and ACC all jumped on the next plane out and waved goodbye to the poor L8. "No more seats, sorry, but good luck to you!".

Now with pain in the azz Texas out of the way, maybe the Big 12 can actually rebrand itself and work in unison now. I think it's a great opportunity although at a very inopportune time. I'm actually hoping it works out for them.

I despise UT. I hope Texas sucks swampwater in the SEC for a generation.

(08-29-2021 12:39 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I despise UT. I hope Texas sucks swampwater in the SEC for a generation.

I hate to do the "Chris from math class" thing but...

I heard second hand from someone who is in Dallas and has a friend in sports media there. UT is THE reason this has all gone down. The Longhorn Network is a financial loser for ESPN, in contrast to the SEC network. ESPN brokered this deal to get TLN off it's books. Since these moves are usually done in pairs, OU was the logical dance partner.

Take it for what it's worth but it actually made sense. I hope the B12 finds its footing because stranding teams like ISU, OSU and KSU that have had quality programs but are in the middle of nowhere is bad for the sport. They are going to have to rethink everything.

NFL lite?
Not for me.
I'll stop watching.
Why don't they just call it the F league?

(08-27-2021 04:31 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Let me explain how this works.

We're gravitating toward two major conferences, not 5, not 4 or 3. These are going to be the biggest brands and they aren't athletic conferences -- they are programming agreements. They can't just do this. They can't just kick people out, either. Too many lawsuits. Has to play out over time.

The way this happens is consolidation that leaves someone behind, not kicking them out. And it has to be done in stages to maneuver the legalities. We're talking YEARS.

Simplest way to describe it.

-- You're going to pay me to screw you (entrance fee).
-- I'm gonna turn around and screw you. (leave for new address)
-- I'm gonna make it up to you by giving you the money I got to get screwed. (exit fees)
-- Then you're gonna screw somebody else the same way.

I respect you being a loyal Blazer, I really do. You have the right to your opinion. I’m a believer. I fought hard to get this program back. I know everyone else did as well. I just believe that we are going to be great. If I didn’t I would not have wasted my time. I believe we will be in a Power 5 conference if that’s 2 or 10 conferences. This isn’t the end it’s the beginning. We are e going to watch this Dragon fly. He may even touch the sky. Touch the sky to the Power 5.

(08-29-2021 07:39 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 04:31 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Let me explain how this works.

We're gravitating toward two major conferences, not 5, not 4 or 3. These are going to be the biggest brands and they aren't athletic conferences -- they are programming agreements. They can't just do this. They can't just kick people out, either. Too many lawsuits. Has to play out over time.

The way this happens is consolidation that leaves someone behind, not kicking them out. And it has to be done in stages to maneuver the legalities. We're talking YEARS.

Simplest way to describe it.

-- You're going to pay me to screw you (entrance fee).
-- I'm gonna turn around and screw you. (leave for new address)
-- I'm gonna make it up to you by giving you the money I got to get screwed. (exit fees)
-- Then you're gonna screw somebody else the same way.

I respect you being a loyal Blazer, I really do. You have the right to your opinion. I’m a believer. I fought hard to get this program back. I know everyone else did as well. I just believe that we are going to be great. If I didn’t I would not have wasted my time. I believe we will be in a Power 5 conference if that’s 2 or 10 conferences. This isn’t the end it’s the beginning. We are e going to watch this Dragon fly. He may even touch the sky. Touch the sky to the Power 5.

I agree with you, not sure where you got from that I don’t. I am just saying there isn’t going to be a power 5 and that none of these other programs “ahead” of UAB are going there, either.

UAB isn't going to the Big 12. Hope the Big 12 poaches multiple AAC teams and we end up there.