(07-29-2021 11:32 AM)panama Wrote:  Its about football and secondarily about MBB. As far as bseball in realignment, its only important they field a team.

Correct, I linked that interview with former ESPN president Skipper in another thread. But he said contracts are pretty much based on 80% football and 20% basketball. Take it for what it’s worth. I figure he knows better than anyone though.

Basketball really only matters if you're a threat to be an at-large team. Everyone gets an autobid.

(07-29-2021 11:21 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:55 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 06:15 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 05:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious what SBC fans think the fall out the SEC/UT/OU expansion.

Will anyone be picked off from the SBC?

If you have to replace, who are your call ups?

The last round of realignment didn't really end until Coastal Carolina was called up from FCS. This time around though the SBC more than likely will not be quite as badly affected.

Everyone is on the phone and Marshall's president just said what everyone else is thinking.

[wondering if App State and Ga Southern fans "get it"]

I’m smellin what your steppin in. Tired of chasing pie in the sky! Let’s just do what we did the first time. And that was beat the hell out of each other until we popped out on top!

If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

(07-29-2021 08:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

If I were the Big 12 Commissioner I'd probably agree with you but Presidents make these decisions. I just can't see them inviting Boise no matter how good football is for the Smurfs. Replace Boise with Colorado St and I could see it happen.

Me either but it would be a good power move.

(07-29-2021 08:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

Using that logic getting BYU, Memphis, Cincinnati and Boise would be the best fits. Memphis in a P5 would really hurt Tennessee and Vandy. I know you probably didn’t list them because they are a huge rival of yours.

UCF would be the call if BYU & Boise both say no. If one says yes then I might invite Colorado St.

As a SBC fan I really would like to see the Big 12 get back to 12 or even 14. Raid the AAC and MWC.

AAC: Memphis, Cincinnati & UCF
MWC/Independent: Colorado St, Boise & BYU

That immediately puts the SBC as the top G5 league. All but guaranteeing a playoff spot in a 12 team playoff. Plus the possibility of the highest ranked G5 team after the champ.

The AAC will then back fill with possible SB teams though. Could possibly take a couple from Conf USA and a couple from you guys.

(07-29-2021 08:42 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 08:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

If I were the Big 12 Commissioner I'd probably agree with you but Presidents make these decisions. I just can't see them inviting Boise no matter how good football is for the Smurfs. Replace Boise with Colorado St and I could see it happen.

. . . or Colorado and Nebraska, former Big XII members that may happily return with the departure of Texas.

If USM and Marshall jump to the Sun Belt and CUSA has another year like last year the question you need to ask yourself is would I be better off in another G5 conference? With a footprint tighter than a gnats ars the Sun Belt would be stable and set for the long term. The bottom of the Belt is poised to make a push for more relevance. My goodness if this happens. We need it to happen...

(07-29-2021 09:02 PM)Cinciflame Wrote:  The AAC will then back fill with possible SB teams though. Could possibly take a couple from Conf USA and a couple from you guys.

If AAC needed to backfil, it would be putting the band back together and they would get USM and UAb. If that happened, SBC needs to go Marshall and UTSA/Rice(one of them).

(07-29-2021 09:39 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 08:42 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 08:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

If I were the Big 12 Commissioner I'd probably agree with you but Presidents make these decisions. I just can't see them inviting Boise no matter how good football is for the Smurfs. Replace Boise with Colorado St and I could see it happen.

. . . or Colorado and Nebraska, former Big XII members that may happily return with the departure of Texas.

Colorado and Nebraska aren’t leaving the money on the table that is the B1G.

(07-29-2021 09:39 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 08:42 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 08:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

If I were the Big 12 Commissioner I'd probably agree with you but Presidents make these decisions. I just can't see them inviting Boise no matter how good football is for the Smurfs. Replace Boise with Colorado St and I could see it happen.

. . . or Colorado and Nebraska, former Big XII members that may happily return with the departure of Texas.

Colorado maybe but Nebraska makes bank in the Big 10 so I can't seen the Cornhuskers dropping from about $60 million in media revenue to whatever the Big 12 ends up with. BYU and Colorado would be solid additions though.

I said this in another post but I'd laugh my ass off if Texas A&M and Missouri (who both left the Big 12 to get away from Texas) applied to the Big 10. Those two are probably big enough to bump up the Big 10's media deal and I'm pretty sure both are AAU so the Big 10 should have no issue adding them. That would burst the SEC's bubble a little bit.

(07-29-2021 07:01 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  If the rumors are true and the AAC really is about to lose its 4 best teams to the B12, I’m not quite sure the leftovers are that much more appealing than staying in the Sun Belt. I’d much rather stay with Arkansas State and Troy than join up with Tulsa and Temple honestly. Georgia State might still go for a conference like that but at that point the AAC would look a lot more CUSA-like. I’d have zero heartburn over GAST leaving because without UCF, Houston, Cincy, and Memphis, the AAC is no longer a step up from the SBC.

This is no lie - SP+ preseason is the gold standard: https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...rojections


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(07-29-2021 08:51 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 08:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If I were the Big 12 my basic take on the problem would be I can’t add anyone who gets me remotely close to the revenue I’m losing. But if the playoff is going to be six spots for the six highest rated champs and I want to maximize what revenue I can earn and not harm my current members my approach is to make sure I can play football better than anyone who isn’t SEC, B1G, or ACC. Maybe P12 get better but I would want to be a top 5 football league.

So first unless they are a world beater I am not adding anyone in a state with a member and I want to weaken my nearest contenders.

So my first call is BYU. A consistently strong program that can sell more tickets than some of my current members. Plus strong in multiple sports.

Next call if they say yes is Boise State. Not sure I like them well enough if they are on an island.

Then Cincinnati because they can pair with WVU and they have been pretty strong.

Next call is UCF. Major recruiting area and they’ve been reasonably consistently strong

And I am done. AAC probably remains sixth over the long run but I’ve got the edge and that’s what matters.

Using that logic getting BYU, Memphis, Cincinnati and Boise would be the best fits. Memphis in a P5 would really hurt Tennessee and Vandy. I know you probably didn’t list them because they are a huge rival of yours.

UCF would be the call if BYU & Boise both say no. If one says yes then I might invite Colorado St.

As a SBC fan I really would like to see the Big 12 get back to 12 or even 14. Raid the AAC and MWC.

AAC: Memphis, Cincinnati & UCF
MWC/Independent: Colorado St, Boise & BYU

That immediately puts the SBC as the top G5 league. All but guaranteeing a playoff spot in a 12 team playoff. Plus the possibility of the highest ranked G5 team after the champ.

Dark horse could be Air Force.

If the Big 12 takes 3 or 4 of AACs top teams and the AAC does not pull from SBC and/or CUSA then the SBC is in great shape as the strongest G5. By the way, if the AAC doesn't start getting the top SBC and CUSA schools they are doing exactly what the Big 12 did and refused to grow the conference - and that isn't a good idea. The AAC must invite the top football brands on the table to stay strong.

If App State and Louisiana do not get an AAC invite, then we should try to get Marshall and UAB. This would cement the SBC as the top G5 conference.

(07-30-2021 09:25 AM)Goronic Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 3 or 4 of AACs top teams and the AAC does not pull from SBC and/or CUSA then the SBC is in great shape as the strongest G5. By the way, if the AAC doesn't start getting the top SBC and CUSA schools they are doing exactly what the Big 12 did and refused to grow the conference - and that isn't a good idea. The AAC must invite the top football brands on the table to stay strong.

If App State and Louisiana do not get an AAC invite, then we should try to get Marshall and UAB. This would cement the SBC as the top G5 conference.

“If there is more movement there, then there might be some individuals universities that would move up to the autonomous five. In which case, that would create an opportunity for discussions within the Group of 5 to reshuffle,” Gilbert said."
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

“One idea is we could all get together and say let’s redivide the schools into more regional conferences, which would be a good thing,” Gilbert said.
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

(07-30-2021 10:14 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 09:25 AM)Goronic Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 3 or 4 of AACs top teams and the AAC does not pull from SBC and/or CUSA then the SBC is in great shape as the strongest G5. By the way, if the AAC doesn't start getting the top SBC and CUSA schools they are doing exactly what the Big 12 did and refused to grow the conference - and that isn't a good idea. The AAC must invite the top football brands on the table to stay strong.

If App State and Louisiana do not get an AAC invite, then we should try to get Marshall and UAB. This would cement the SBC as the top G5 conference.

“If there is more movement there, then there might be some individuals universities that would move up to the autonomous five. In which case, that would create an opportunity for discussions within the Group of 5 to reshuffle,” Gilbert said."
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

“One idea is we could all get together and say let’s redivide the schools into more regional conferences, which would be a good thing,” Gilbert said.
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

That’s good for CUSA, not so good for the SBC. No reason for the SBC to sign off on that. If it’s a two league reshuffle, no, if it’s a 3 league reshuffle, SBC, AAC and CUSA, I would might be a little more interested.

(07-30-2021 10:20 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 10:14 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 09:25 AM)Goronic Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 3 or 4 of AACs top teams and the AAC does not pull from SBC and/or CUSA then the SBC is in great shape as the strongest G5. By the way, if the AAC doesn't start getting the top SBC and CUSA schools they are doing exactly what the Big 12 did and refused to grow the conference - and that isn't a good idea. The AAC must invite the top football brands on the table to stay strong.

If App State and Louisiana do not get an AAC invite, then we should try to get Marshall and UAB. This would cement the SBC as the top G5 conference.

“If there is more movement there, then there might be some individuals universities that would move up to the autonomous five. In which case, that would create an opportunity for discussions within the Group of 5 to reshuffle,” Gilbert said."
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

“One idea is we could all get together and say let’s redivide the schools into more regional conferences, which would be a good thing,” Gilbert said.
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

That’s good for CUSA, not so good for the SBC. No reason for the SBC to sign off on that. If it’s a two league reshuffle, no, if it’s a 3 league reshuffle, SBC, AAC and CUSA, I would might be a little more interested.

its hard to do even a 3 league shuffle because some AAC/SBC teams are going to have to sign off on the crappy CUSA contract

Then maybe we just do a SBC/AAC reshuffle.

I kid of course, but CUSA contract is terrible.

(07-30-2021 10:20 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 10:14 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 09:25 AM)Goronic Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 3 or 4 of AACs top teams and the AAC does not pull from SBC and/or CUSA then the SBC is in great shape as the strongest G5. By the way, if the AAC doesn't start getting the top SBC and CUSA schools they are doing exactly what the Big 12 did and refused to grow the conference - and that isn't a good idea. The AAC must invite the top football brands on the table to stay strong.

If App State and Louisiana do not get an AAC invite, then we should try to get Marshall and UAB. This would cement the SBC as the top G5 conference.

“If there is more movement there, then there might be some individuals universities that would move up to the autonomous five. In which case, that would create an opportunity for discussions within the Group of 5 to reshuffle,” Gilbert said."
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

“One idea is we could all get together and say let’s redivide the schools into more regional conferences, which would be a good thing,” Gilbert said.
- Marshall University President Jerome Gilbert 7-28-2021

That’s good for CUSA, not so good for the SBC. No reason for the SBC to sign off on that. If it’s a two league reshuffle, no, if it’s a 3 league reshuffle, SBC, AAC and CUSA, I would might be a little more interested.

I could see the AAC splitting if they get raided hard enough. Don't want to end up like CUSA, sprawling and plummeting media revenues. Regardless I don't think any geographical reorganization will be 100% amicable. It just takes a critical mass of schools in a region to want it and it will force others hands. Would CUSA-E + UAB be enough to tempt App, CCU and the GA schools? IDK. Throw in ECU, Temple and USF and it'll definitely happen (we might have to leave FIU behind). The west will just have to figure their **** out.