(07-26-2021 06:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think a 12 team playoff is to ensure that 8 spots go to the SEC and B10

And yea, a champ of a revamped B12 would have a hell of a better shot than the AAC champ most years.

(Hint) Look who is on the committee.

So a little better than practically impossible. Ok.

The Big 12 is trash after this, especially if they keep acting like a clingy ex girlfriend.

If SEC and BIg goes to 16.. I dnt know if they will have 8 teams to take those playoff spots .. they will beat each other up with 2 or more losses.

(07-26-2021 06:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think a 12 team playoff is to ensure that 8 spots go to the SEC and B10

And yea, a champ of a revamped B12 would have a hell of a better shot than the AAC champ most years.

(Hint) Look who is on the committee.

So a little better than practically impossible. Ok.

The Big 12 is trash after this, especially if they keep acting like a clingy ex girlfriend.

So you mean exactly how the Big East/AAC acted? LOL

(07-26-2021 06:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think a 12 team playoff is to ensure that 8 spots go to the SEC and B10

And yea, a champ of a revamped B12 would have a hell of a better shot than the AAC champ most years.

(Hint) Look who is on the committee.

Don't disagree with that, but unless they change the format to only 5 auto conference bids it's not going to change much. The new B12 wouldn't get any more bids than maybe the 1 conference auto bid same as the AAC.

(07-26-2021 06:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think a 12 team playoff is to ensure that 8 spots go to the SEC and B10

And yea, a champ of a revamped B12 would have a hell of a better shot than the AAC champ most years.

(Hint) Look who is on the committee.

So a little better than practically impossible. Ok.

The Big 12 is trash after this, especially if they keep acting like a clingy ex girlfriend.

So you mean exactly how the Big East/AAC acted? LOL

Yep. Weve seen it before. Half of the big 12 will be gone before the AAC schools leaving get their bags packed.

I with ECU now. We say go or stay, it's all good.

(07-26-2021 04:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 04:36 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 12:17 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  If there are 5 ot less teams left, It will be a full merger.

The Big-American Athletic Conference

The Big-American School & Sports Conference

Yes the Big A S S Conference.

Wait until you see the conference mascot ...

(07-26-2021 05:21 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If the top 4-5 schools from the AAC are gone unfortunately the AAC remaining teams are going to take a harsh, harsh, pay cut.

Just like if half the Big12 leaves with OU and Texas. Which they will-

(07-26-2021 06:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think a 12 team playoff is to ensure that 8 spots go to the SEC and B10

And yea, a champ of a revamped B12 would have a hell of a better shot than the AAC champ most years.

(Hint) Look who is on the committee.

So a little better than practically impossible. Ok.

The Big 12 is trash after this, especially if they keep acting like a clingy ex girlfriend.

So you mean exactly how the Big East/AAC acted? LOL

Damn that time period killed me. Every other week another piece of the conference you’ve been in disappears. I had hoped that there would have been some loyalty and naive **** like that.

Now it’s every school for themselves but there’s several I really hope we get to keep playing in conference together.

(07-26-2021 06:59 PM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 04:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 04:36 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 12:17 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  If there are 5 ot less teams left, It will be a full merger.

The Big-American Athletic Conference

The Big-American School & Sports Conference

Yes the Big A S S Conference.

Wait until you see the conference mascot ...

(07-26-2021 05:21 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If the top 4-5 schools from the AAC are gone unfortunately the AAC remaining teams are going to take a harsh, harsh, pay cut.

Just like if half the Big12 leaves with OU and Texas. Which they will-

Leave to go where?

(07-26-2021 07:18 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:59 PM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 04:41 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 04:36 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 12:17 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  If there are 5 ot less teams left, It will be a full merger.

The Big-American Athletic Conference

The Big-American School & Sports Conference

Yes the Big A S S Conference.

Wait until you see the conference mascot ...

(07-26-2021 05:21 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If the top 4-5 schools from the AAC are gone unfortunately the AAC remaining teams are going to take a harsh, harsh, pay cut.

Just like if half the Big12 leaves with OU and Texas. Which they will-

Leave to go where?

Why, the AAC, silly.

(07-26-2021 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...2-for-sec/

Big 12's sad, tragic potential end
In 2016, Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard made this prescient statement: "The Big 12 exists because we have Texas and Oklahoma in the room. If we take Texas and Oklahoma out of the room, we're the Mountain West Conference."

Those words hit like a sledgehammer today. As the SEC shocked the world by preparing to assume the 'Horns and Sooners, the Big 12 lost 50% to 75% of its value, several industry sources tell CBS Sports. Their TV contracts with ESPN and Fox contain language that allows the Big 12 networks to reduce payouts if there is a loss of membership.

"When you're losing two of the most visible programs, the network has the right to come and say, 'We're going to reduce the rights by X.'" one longtime, high-profile administrator said.

That means the Big 12 deal could drop from $37 million in annual revenue to as low as $9 million per school. Considering there aren't two schools available that come close to replacing the value of Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 is in troubled waters to say the least.

There's a real possibility the conference could be scattered to the four winds. What a shame. Iowa State, Kansas State, West Virginia and Baylor look particularly vulnerable. Those schools are neither in a major market nor an established national brand.

What's next? The Big 12 seems to be the hunted instead of the hunter. It retains autonomous (Power Five) legislative voting rights within the NCAA ... if it stays together. As mentioned, some Big 12 schools could find a lifeline in the Pac-12 -- just not all of them.

American the beautiful?
The American Athletic Conference has shown an interest in taking in at least some Big 12 schools. It flirted with Boise State last year. Does some combination of Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech make sense? Would the AAC eventually replace the Big 12 as a Power Five conference?

"You have to come with an aggressive idea that the conference not only is going to exist but the conference is going to develop a program that is going to make them stronger than what would be expected with the absence of Texas and Oklahoma," that source said.

If the Big 12 dissolves, everyone moves up a spot in college football's pecking order. That means the AAC all but becomes an automatic qualifier for the expanded playoff if you assume it is the next-strongest conference after what will then be the four super conferences (SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Pac-12).

In the suggested 12-team playoff, the top six conference champions get automatic bids. AAC commissioner Mike Aresco has long stumped for his league to receive "Power Six" status. That may now come by attrition.

Figure on the AAC adding at least one school to make it an even 12. The conference has 10 years to run on a 12-year deal with ESPN that is worth a reported $1 billion. Even in its current state, the worth of some Big 12 schools would be a boost to the AAC.

This is exactly what I would be concerned about if I had to make a decision regarding my sports program. After all, we've seen what this looks like (i.e., Big East). There may be a little lag in the forthcoming news, but don't be surprised when more of the Top 50% of the Football Programs announce new sports conference homes.

If I were the Big 12 & AAC conference commissioners, I would seek/announce intentions of a conference merger at the end of the Big 12 Contract. It may be the best way to avoid doing extensive damage to both conferences. None of the proposed schools mentioned (i.e., UCF, UC, BYU, BSU) are worth more than Dodd's estimate of a 75% depreciation of the BIG 12 Contract's value. At the very least, a merger would establish a floor from which the conference could start negotiations for a new television contract ...

I shouldn’t...but I’ll bite.

So you honestly think that if the remaining B12 adds Houston, UCF, UC and Memphis that the payout will be comparable to the current AAC?

(07-26-2021 07:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I shouldn’t...but I’ll bite.

So you honestly think that if the remaining B12 adds Houston, UCF, UC and Memphis that the payout will be comparable to the current AAC?

Well if you get your way we will soon find out won’t we.

I have no say in it. But I’m thinking the B12 deal will put a lot more sheckles in my alma mater’s coffers. Same goes for all the other schools that are asking for a zoom meeting with the B12 right now.

After UT and OU are gone we’ll see the left behinds real worth... or what they actually bring to the table... but they’re definitely not $25million worth each more like $7 million each, if that.

(07-26-2021 07:59 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  After UT and OU are gone we’ll see the left behinds real worth... or what they actually bring to the table... but they’re definitely not $25million worth each more like $7 million each, if that.

Exactly. Of course everyone should be talking to B12 leftovers, you need to cover all the bases. But until you know who is left and how much you are going to make is hard to make a decision.

Remember Boise and SDSU? They had agreed to join the Big East with certain composition and tv revenue. Once the dust settled they found out the membership changed and so did revenue. Same will happen here.

I honestly doubt the Big 12 schools have mentioned any expansion picks at all. They're all to busy searching for a life raft to worry about anchors.

(07-26-2021 01:42 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First off the Pac 12 will not be taking B12 schools, Calif law won't allow it. Once again California law says State funded universities can not travel to Most of the states in the Big 12, including WV, Kansas, Olk, Tex, and Iowa. The Big could take 2 but why would they? But lets assume 3 find new homes, the 5 left will get 200+ million in exit fees, and they will keep the autonomous voting status. They will reload from below, They won't give that $$ and vote up to join AAC.

California law only applies to 2 of the members of the PAC 12 Cal and UCLA

and there is a better than average chance that if the PAC 12 is expanding then it is because UCLA is gone from the PAC 12

and if that happens there is a fairly good chance that some members of the PAC 12 would be more interested in ditching Cal and their $450 million in athletics debt and large annual athletics deficits and seeing what other conferences hold for them (Big 12 or not)

not to mention that California University athletics revenues are not "state funds" and thus can be spent anywhere the athletics department likes

(07-26-2021 01:45 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  The other thing is there is a big chance the remaining schools receive no buyout money if Texas/OU and any other schools just leave in 2025.

Just some thoughts on my end, probably all wrong but trying to view this through positive AAC glasses.

this is incorrect

the buyout of two years prior distributions is in the 99 year Big 12 contract for conference membership

the buyout stands even if the GOR ends and it is not based on a media deal being in place it is based on a member wishing to leave and having to pay 2 years prior distributions to do so

and since conferences always distribute the prior year distribution in the middle of the next year the Big 12 will be holding one year of distributions in their hands no matter what.....but the member leaving is still contractually obliged to pay an amount equal to the year prior to that also.....there is no "two year notice" or "GOR ends we get out for free"

the buyout is in a 99 year contract signed in 2012

(07-26-2021 07:59 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  After UT and OU are gone we’ll see the left behinds real worth... or what they actually bring to the table... but they’re definitely not $25million worth each more like $7 million each, if that.

So no Big12 remaining with be going anywhere, because no P5 conference would add a school that's value would bring under 10 million.

(07-26-2021 07:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I shouldn’t...but I’ll bite.

So you honestly think that if the remaining B12 adds Houston, UCF, UC and Memphis that the payout will be comparable to the current AAC?

The payout will be closer to the current AAC deal than the current Big XII deal, I believe that.

That being said the difference in tv money is so great at this point that it can be $20M and while they would like at it like destroying their finances (and it actually might) we would see it as winning the lottery. So it can be closer to the AAC contract and still be a massive windfall for a school.

(07-26-2021 06:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 06:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think a 12 team playoff is to ensure that 8 spots go to the SEC and B10

Don't disagree with that, but unless they change the format to only 5 auto conference bids it's not going to change much. The new B12 wouldn't get any more bids than maybe the 1 conference auto bid same as the AAC.

Actually it does make a difference, The new B12 will likely never get 2 bids. As it sits now it could. The G5 will never get 2, The Pac and ACC rarely will get 2. So the SEC and Big10 will usually share all 6 of the at large bids. The $$$ difference between the 2 big conf and everyone else will continue to grow.