(07-22-2021 06:45 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says UNC CHeat is the flagship of massive academic fraud

Trailblazers!

(07-21-2021 09:19 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 09:12 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 09:00 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 08:39 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  This conference has no flagship school.

Who has a winning overall record against Marshall, UAB and LT other than USM?

No one, but you are .500 against Charlotte and ODU.

CLASSIC!!!

Since WKU joined CUSA to begin play in 2014 and finally establish CUSA 3.0, here are the CUSA football CONFERENCE records of all 14 members:

CUSA Football Records since 2014:

LA Tech - 38-18 (.679)
WKU - 37-20 (.649)
Marshall - 36-19 (.655)
MTSU - 32-23 (.582)
FAU - 31-25 (.554)
USM - 30-25 (.545)
UAB - 28-11 (.718) - UAB did not play in 2015 & 2016
FIU - 24-27 (.471)
UTSA - 24-31 (.436)
UNT - 24-32 (.429)
ODU - 19-29 (.296) - ODU did not field a team in 2020
Rice - 17-36 (.321)
Charlotte - 15-29 (.341)
UTEP - 11-41 (.211)

Tech and WKU on top but but but Marshall, UAB and USM are the flagships!

No offense to Marshall, UAB and USM but Tech has been on the block for 30+ years
And these “flagships” have never done anything impressive like Boise State, TCU or UTAH

Yeah Southern Miss beat up on a bunch really bad CUSA teams back in the 90’s and 2000’s
but CUSA was incredibly weak back then. CUSA never even sent a team to a BCS bowl!

Meanwhile Tech was in conference that sent multiple teams to BCS bowls and was much tougher and better than CUSA IMO

Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

(07-25-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

I can say with complete certainty that WKU Bowling Green is Flagship of the WKU system. Beyond the shadow of a doubt. WKU Glasgow, WKU Elizabethtown, WKU Ft Knox, even WKU Owensboro —none of them can touch THE FLAGSHIP!!!

(07-25-2021 11:47 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

(07-25-2021 11:47 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

Could not have expressed it better!!!

(07-26-2021 07:32 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:47 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

Could not have expressed it better!!!

FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

(07-26-2021 11:05 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 07:32 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:47 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

Could not have expressed it better!!!

FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

I think a selection of OOC opposition matters. On one hand, you want to beat a notable opponent, on the other hand, you don't want to pad your resume with the likes of Duke, Kansas, or Purdue. UCF had tried (but failed) to thread the needle, but it is hard. They came close with their victory over Auburn (if I remember correctly). Clearly, if we have visions of BCS games, we need to stop scheduling the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas of this world. But that is where the biggest pay of all body bag games is...

(07-26-2021 11:09 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:05 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 07:32 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:47 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Go get the G5 access slot and win a NY6 game. And then we can talk about “Flagship”

No current CUSA team has been to even a BCS game. No “Flagship” in my book

I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

Could not have expressed it better!!!

FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

I think a selection of OOC opposition matters. On one hand, you want to beat a notable opponent, on the other hand, you don't want to pad your resume with the likes of Duke, Kansas, or Purdue. UCF had tried (but failed) to thread the needle, but it is hard. They came close with their victory over Auburn (if I remember correctly). Clearly, if we have visions of BCS games, we need to stop scheduling the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas of this world. But that is where the biggest pay of all body bag games is...

The Auburn game was the bowl, though. They should have gotten in the playoffs before that bowl. But the Auburn win didn't count towards that end. In hindsight it did a lot for saying they should have, though. The things that G5 teams can't overcome is greed and human bias. They always say "well they didn't play so and so schedule...." while at the same time not offering games on neutral terms. The easy fix for that was that all games scheduled must have a 1 for 1 component. Eliminate the body bag games and eliminate teams getting 8 or more home games. But that's where the greed come in.

(07-26-2021 11:21 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:09 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:05 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 07:32 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:47 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  I agree. Some CUSA team needs to stand up and do what Boise St & Hawaii did a few years ago for the WAC. They played in BCS games, and WON some of 'em. CUSA desperately needs that. We don't need another team "backing into" a CUSA championship. We need a CUSA representative that's going to dish out azzz whippings!

Could not have expressed it better!!!

FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

I think a selection of OOC opposition matters. On one hand, you want to beat a notable opponent, on the other hand, you don't want to pad your resume with the likes of Duke, Kansas, or Purdue. UCF had tried (but failed) to thread the needle, but it is hard. They came close with their victory over Auburn (if I remember correctly). Clearly, if we have visions of BCS games, we need to stop scheduling the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas of this world. But that is where the biggest pay of all body bag games is...

The Auburn game was the bowl, though. They should have gotten in the playoffs before that bowl. But the Auburn win didn't count towards that end. In hindsight it did a lot for saying they should have, though. The things that G5 teams can't overcome is greed and human bias. They always say "well they didn't play so and so schedule...." while at the same time not offering games on neutral terms. The easy fix for that was that all games scheduled must have a 1 for 1 component. Eliminate the body bag games and eliminate teams getting 8 or more home games. But that's where the greed come in.

I understand all you have said, I do disagree in one very key point, though. Unless some central agency is doing the scheduling, how can Marshall (or FAU or WKU or whoever) force an Alabama to do a 1-for-1. Reality is Marshall needs Alabama more than Alabama needs Marshall.

(07-26-2021 11:51 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:21 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:09 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:05 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 07:32 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Could not have expressed it better!!!

FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

I think a selection of OOC opposition matters. On one hand, you want to beat a notable opponent, on the other hand, you don't want to pad your resume with the likes of Duke, Kansas, or Purdue. UCF had tried (but failed) to thread the needle, but it is hard. They came close with their victory over Auburn (if I remember correctly). Clearly, if we have visions of BCS games, we need to stop scheduling the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas of this world. But that is where the biggest pay of all body bag games is...

The Auburn game was the bowl, though. They should have gotten in the playoffs before that bowl. But the Auburn win didn't count towards that end. In hindsight it did a lot for saying they should have, though. The things that G5 teams can't overcome is greed and human bias. They always say "well they didn't play so and so schedule...." while at the same time not offering games on neutral terms. The easy fix for that was that all games scheduled must have a 1 for 1 component. Eliminate the body bag games and eliminate teams getting 8 or more home games. But that's where the greed come in.

I understand all you have said, I do disagree in one very key point, though. Unless some central agency is doing the scheduling, how can Marshall (or FAU or WKU or whoever) force an Alabama to do a 1-for-1. Reality is Marshall needs Alabama more than Alabama needs Marshall.

Alabama doesn't need any G5 school. There are plenty of P5 patsies for them to schedule. I thnk COVID opened a lot of Athletic Directors' eyes in regards to scheduling.

(07-26-2021 11:57 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:51 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:21 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:09 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:05 AM)MUther Wrote:  FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

I think a selection of OOC opposition matters. On one hand, you want to beat a notable opponent, on the other hand, you don't want to pad your resume with the likes of Duke, Kansas, or Purdue. UCF had tried (but failed) to thread the needle, but it is hard. They came close with their victory over Auburn (if I remember correctly). Clearly, if we have visions of BCS games, we need to stop scheduling the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas of this world. But that is where the biggest pay of all body bag games is...

The Auburn game was the bowl, though. They should have gotten in the playoffs before that bowl. But the Auburn win didn't count towards that end. In hindsight it did a lot for saying they should have, though. The things that G5 teams can't overcome is greed and human bias. They always say "well they didn't play so and so schedule...." while at the same time not offering games on neutral terms. The easy fix for that was that all games scheduled must have a 1 for 1 component. Eliminate the body bag games and eliminate teams getting 8 or more home games. But that's where the greed come in.

I understand all you have said, I do disagree in one very key point, though. Unless some central agency is doing the scheduling, how can Marshall (or FAU or WKU or whoever) force an Alabama to do a 1-for-1. Reality is Marshall needs Alabama more than Alabama needs Marshall.

Alabama doesn't need any G5 school. There are plenty of P5 patsies for them to schedule. I thnk COVID opened a lot of Athletic Directors' eyes in regards to scheduling.

Exactly. Top P5 teams (even though that only think they are top) do not need G5 opposition...

(07-14-2021 12:36 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:23 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:13 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:11 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:08 PM)everyone Wrote:  Exactly and the most consistent winners over time. We had 18 straight winning seasons. Who else can say that? You want to throw in conference championships...ok we have 5 in CUSA...who else can say that? The only reason it is in question now is b/c we have not been as consistent as we were known to be and that is fair but it doesn't take away our success.

I understand all that. This is factual. However, all this ended. And it did not end yesterday. It ended almost a decade ago.

College football has been played for many decades. Where do you draw the line in the sand as wins no longer relevant b/c of time?

I don't know where the dividing line should be. Should it be 5 years? 8 years? 10 years? 15 years? I don't know. But 8 years sounds like a long time.

I'm 42 lol. 8 years is nothing to me. I guess for younger fans the "what have you done for me lately" factors in more. We have beat Alabama 7 times but a young FAU fan would say, right only when Alabama sucked and I would say ohh so even the best team ever has sucked at times? Does that make them less relevant? USM needs to become a consistent winner again and then this flagship business will be sealed for good.

Great point. I would say that a very wide margin of people outside the CUSA would agree that USM would be the closest to being called the "flagship" school of the conference. It is by far the most respected and well known than the rest of the teams.

(07-26-2021 01:24 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:36 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:23 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:13 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:11 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I understand all that. This is factual. However, all this ended. And it did not end yesterday. It ended almost a decade ago.

College football has been played for many decades. Where do you draw the line in the sand as wins no longer relevant b/c of time?

I don't know where the dividing line should be. Should it be 5 years? 8 years? 10 years? 15 years? I don't know. But 8 years sounds like a long time.

I'm 42 lol. 8 years is nothing to me. I guess for younger fans the "what have you done for me lately" factors in more. We have beat Alabama 7 times but a young FAU fan would say, right only when Alabama sucked and I would say ohh so even the best team ever has sucked at times? Does that make them less relevant? USM needs to become a consistent winner again and then this flagship business will be sealed for good.

Great point. I would say that a very wide margin of people outside the CUSA would agree that USM would be the closest to being called the "flagship" school of the conference. It is by far the most respected and well known than the rest of the teams.

You’re only saying that because you beat them last year and it makes you look better

(07-26-2021 11:51 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:21 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:09 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:05 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 07:32 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Could not have expressed it better!!!

FAU had that in Kiffin's first year, but they **** the bed OOC. We just can't put together a truly dominant team in conference and out.

I think a selection of OOC opposition matters. On one hand, you want to beat a notable opponent, on the other hand, you don't want to pad your resume with the likes of Duke, Kansas, or Purdue. UCF had tried (but failed) to thread the needle, but it is hard. They came close with their victory over Auburn (if I remember correctly). Clearly, if we have visions of BCS games, we need to stop scheduling the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas of this world. But that is where the biggest pay of all body bag games is...

The Auburn game was the bowl, though. They should have gotten in the playoffs before that bowl. But the Auburn win didn't count towards that end. In hindsight it did a lot for saying they should have, though. The things that G5 teams can't overcome is greed and human bias. They always say "well they didn't play so and so schedule...." while at the same time not offering games on neutral terms. The easy fix for that was that all games scheduled must have a 1 for 1 component. Eliminate the body bag games and eliminate teams getting 8 or more home games. But that's where the greed come in.

I understand all you have said, I do disagree in one very key point, though. Unless some central agency is doing the scheduling, how can Marshall (or FAU or WKU or whoever) force an Alabama to do a 1-for-1. Reality is Marshall needs Alabama more than Alabama needs Marshall.

I meant the NCAA should have imposed those rules on scheduling along time ago. They are the body that was supposed to create a fair playing field. Like I said greed and human bias prevent us from getting there. Greed keeps them from letting us in and bias penalizes us for not playing them in four straight road games every year. It's a no win situation.

(07-26-2021 01:30 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 01:24 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:36 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:23 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:13 PM)everyone Wrote:  College football has been played for many decades. Where do you draw the line in the sand as wins no longer relevant b/c of time?

I don't know where the dividing line should be. Should it be 5 years? 8 years? 10 years? 15 years? I don't know. But 8 years sounds like a long time.

I'm 42 lol. 8 years is nothing to me. I guess for younger fans the "what have you done for me lately" factors in more. We have beat Alabama 7 times but a young FAU fan would say, right only when Alabama sucked and I would say ohh so even the best team ever has sucked at times? Does that make them less relevant? USM needs to become a consistent winner again and then this flagship business will be sealed for good.

Great point. I would say that a very wide margin of people outside the CUSA would agree that USM would be the closest to being called the "flagship" school of the conference. It is by far the most respected and well known than the rest of the teams.

You’re only saying that because you beat them last year and it makes you look better

And we beat UAB (the Champs) the last time we played them, so what? No one is mistaking USA as a juggernaut for beating USM when we were 3-7 and had 3 coaches in one year.

(07-26-2021 01:39 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 01:30 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 01:24 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:36 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 12:23 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  I don't know where the dividing line should be. Should it be 5 years? 8 years? 10 years? 15 years? I don't know. But 8 years sounds like a long time.

I'm 42 lol. 8 years is nothing to me. I guess for younger fans the "what have you done for me lately" factors in more. We have beat Alabama 7 times but a young FAU fan would say, right only when Alabama sucked and I would say ohh so even the best team ever has sucked at times? Does that make them less relevant? USM needs to become a consistent winner again and then this flagship business will be sealed for good.

Great point. I would say that a very wide margin of people outside the CUSA would agree that USM would be the closest to being called the "flagship" school of the conference. It is by far the most respected and well known than the rest of the teams.

You’re only saying that because you beat them last year and it makes you look better

And we beat UAB (the Champs) the last time we played them, so what? (b)No one is mistaking USA as a juggernaut for beating USM PERIOD! when we were 3-7 and had 3 coaches in one year.(/b)

You misspoke in bold...

and I fixed it


which team has USM never beat?
0-4 FB avg lost by 15.1 pts
0-11 BB