(05-29-2021 10:21 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-29-2021 11:22 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 10:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  .

The last two posts certainly seem to throw cold water on the notion that the WAC or ASUN will become FBS conferences.

If they don't, and if no new G6 conference comes into existence, this might mean that the number of FBS independents will start to grow if/when the next few FCS teams make the jump to FBS, although the first two that make the jump might find a place in the SBC.

For example, if Jacksonville St., Sam Houston St., and EKU make the jump, and the Sun Belt were only to add two of the three, the number of FBS independents would grow from 6 to 7. Then, if Central Arkansas and James Madison were to make the jump, there would be 9 FBS independents - enough to form an 11th FBS football-only conference (which might not be able to hold a NCAA-sanctioned championship game, but would still constitute an FBS football league or conference in all other respects).

Even though a football-only league of FBS independents might not be able to hold a NCAA-approved championship game, it could still hold an unsanctioned, unofficial championship game, and its best teams would be able to play in bowl games, as BYU, Army, and Liberty have done.

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The only way the Sun Belt adds anyone is if someone gets poached by the AAC. That would require AAC schools getting poached by P5s so its probably not likely. Besides we already said no to EKU and I'm not sure they've done anything to warrant an unvite. I dont think the SBC Alabama schools want anything to do with JSU and like Todor said SHSU isnt an option for a variety of reasons.

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Right now, it doesn't look like the AAC is interested in adding any teams from any region but the west. Could that change in a few years? Possibly, if a non-western team starts to appear in the final top 25 rankings year after year. There might be a couple of SBC teams that could do that.

Will the Sun Belt will stay put at 10 teams for the next few years? Sounds like they might, but I would be surprised if they don't expand to 12 schools by the end of the decade. Adding a couple of schools with strong viewership potential would be a logical step forward from the vantage point of trying to generate more broadcasting revenue.

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There is no incentive for the Sun Belt to add 2 schools though. That would dilute CFP money, TV money, and NCAA money. All the schools with strong viewership potential have already moved up to the FBS except for NDSU which cant move up and JMU who is too pompous to move up.

The fact that the NCAA allowed liberty to move to fbs as an independent combined with their lax attitude towards rules for invited schools, mean any school who wishes can do the same.
It is unconstitutional to allow one to succeed and deliberately hinder another's attempt.
So if a school has the desire to risk the move the NCAA would have no leg to stand on to tell them they can't.

(05-30-2021 11:10 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-29-2021 10:21 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(05-29-2021 11:22 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-28-2021 10:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  .

The last two posts certainly seem to throw cold water on the notion that the WAC or ASUN will become FBS conferences.

If they don't, and if no new G6 conference comes into existence, this might mean that the number of FBS independents will start to grow if/when the next few FCS teams make the jump to FBS, although the first two that make the jump might find a place in the SBC.

For example, if Jacksonville St., Sam Houston St., and EKU make the jump, and the Sun Belt were only to add two of the three, the number of FBS independents would grow from 6 to 7. Then, if Central Arkansas and James Madison were to make the jump, there would be 9 FBS independents - enough to form an 11th FBS football-only conference (which might not be able to hold a NCAA-sanctioned championship game, but would still constitute an FBS football league or conference in all other respects).

Even though a football-only league of FBS independents might not be able to hold a NCAA-approved championship game, it could still hold an unsanctioned, unofficial championship game, and its best teams would be able to play in bowl games, as BYU, Army, and Liberty have done.

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The only way the Sun Belt adds anyone is if someone gets poached by the AAC. That would require AAC schools getting poached by P5s so its probably not likely. Besides we already said no to EKU and I'm not sure they've done anything to warrant an unvite. I dont think the SBC Alabama schools want anything to do with JSU and like Todor said SHSU isnt an option for a variety of reasons.

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Right now, it doesn't look like the AAC is interested in adding any teams from any region but the west. Could that change in a few years? Possibly, if a non-western team starts to appear in the final top 25 rankings year after year. There might be a couple of SBC teams that could do that.

Will the Sun Belt will stay put at 10 teams for the next few years? Sounds like they might, but I would be surprised if they don't expand to 12 schools by the end of the decade. Adding a couple of schools with strong viewership potential would be a logical step forward from the vantage point of trying to generate more broadcasting revenue.

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There is no incentive for the Sun Belt to add 2 schools though. That would dilute CFP money, TV money, and NCAA money. All the schools with strong viewership potential have already moved up to the FBS except for NDSU which cant move up and JMU who is too pompous to move up.

I see what you're saying - - that the Sun Belt's situation would be similar to the Big 12's situation in that regard, especially if they were to add another FCS-to-FBS expansion team that might not be assured to generate high viewership.

There are other conferences that could potentially add teams without diluting their CTP, TV, and NCAA money - - such as the AAC, but in their case, that would only be so if they were to add high viewership teams.

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The big twelve came very close to destruction because of Texas, and could end as it is known as soon as Texas and the oklahomas leave. Imagine Kansas takes their basketball and leaves also. This could easily occur any year. By not expanding and growing successful New additions to the conference they risk it's disappearance. But the powers that be do not care what happens to the conference or those left behind, rather they only see what benefits them because they have a way out.
If or when this happens the bottom dwelling sbc will likely be the one left holding the bag, or at least the ones abandoned in the sbc.
You can only weather such upheavals by being prepared with enough schools to survive. Perhaps what happened to the wac will happen to the sbc. Especially if the AQ7 schools are already fbs on their own, leaving the sbc as a lesser option for the only schools interested.

(05-30-2021 06:56 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  The big twelve came very close to destruction because of Texas, and could end as it is known as soon as Texas and the oklahomas leave. Imagine Kansas takes their basketball and leaves also. This could easily occur any year. By not expanding and growing successful New additions to the conference they risk it's disappearance. But the powers that be do not care what happens to the conference or those left behind, rather they only see what benefits them because they have a way out.
If or when this happens the bottom dwelling sbc will likely be the one left holding the bag, or at least the ones abandoned in the sbc.
You can only weather such upheavals by being prepared with enough schools to survive. Perhaps what happened to the wac will happen to the sbc. Especially if the AQ7 schools are already fbs on their own, leaving the sbc as a lesser option for the only schools interested.

Aye - that's the other side of the coin. Trying to get by with 10 schools puts a conference in a risky situation if a couple of schools decide to depart. Adding two provides a conference with insurance against that kind of risk.

It would also add some viewership for the conference's broadcasting partner.

In the case of the AAC, the conference has shown interest in the idea of possibly expanding to 14. True, the pot would have to be divided up among more members, but the viewership increase would be expected to more than compensate.

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(05-30-2021 06:56 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  The big twelve came very close to destruction because of Texas, and could end as it is known as soon as Texas and the oklahomas leave. Imagine Kansas takes their basketball and leaves also. This could easily occur any year. By not expanding and growing successful New additions to the conference they risk it's disappearance. But the powers that be do not care what happens to the conference or those left behind, rather they only see what benefits them because they have a way out.
If or when this happens the bottom dwelling sbc will likely be the one left holding the bag, or at least the ones abandoned in the sbc.
You can only weather such upheavals by being prepared with enough schools to survive. Perhaps what happened to the wac will happen to the sbc. Especially if the AQ7 schools are already fbs on their own, leaving the sbc as a lesser option for the only schools interested.

I realize you have some sort of chip on your shoulder based on other posts, but cmon man get with the times. The SBC is no longer the bottom dweller and hasn't been for years. This past year we were the 2nd highest rated G5 conference.

If Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas wanted to leave the Big 12 then they'd do it, but they wouldn't gain anything from it so not the best analogy, but let's be real if some Sun Belt schools do get poached I'm sure plenty of solid "AQ7" schools would love to join. Hopefully that never becomes necessary though.

No chip.
But I do notice the unwarrented snobbery far too often found on the sbc board.
Also no team in another g5 conference is or would move to the sbc while there are many sbc teams that would move to other conferences.
In my book that's a directional order. And the sbc is on the bottom.
As for the b12 what I said is true. And if the sbc has to poach an aq7 school doesn't that indicate the sbc is indeed a bottom dweller? If not why an fcs school rather than an fbs school to backfill?

(06-02-2021 09:11 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  No chip.
But I do notice the unwarrented snobbery far too often found on the sbc board.
Also no team in another g5 conference is or would move to the sbc while there are many sbc teams that would move to other conferences.
In my book that's a directional order. And the sbc is on the bottom.
As for the b12 what I said is true. And if the sbc has to poach an aq7 school doesn't that indicate the sbc is indeed a bottom dweller? If not why an fcs school rather than an fbs school to backfill?

Since you read the SBC board you'd know that pretty much other than us all of the schools are very happy and would only bolt for a P5 or AAC offer, and we're actually pretty content with the SBC now but if any school was to move it might be us to CUSA to be with Texas schools if given the option. I think our fans are kind of split on that though because of the trade off of more Texas schools and lesser conference vs no Texas schools and better conference.

If you read the CUSA board fans from a few schools like USM and Marshall have wishful thinking of joining the Belt. Not that it matters.

You spoke that hypothetically an FBS AQ7 would be above the SBC. I said that one of those hypothetically FBS AQ7 schools would probably join the SBC if invited.

Incorrect on multiple points. I gave up read the sbc board years ago. Your tone only confirms things haven't changed.
Also members of fan boards do not decide the future of conference movement. Notice the who that thinks you have a say.
Thirdly I did not intimate that an aq7 fbs conference would be better than the sbc etc. That was your sensitive ego that made that leap.
Also I'm curious why a fan of the sbc lurks around the asun board discussing an future asun football move. With what appears to be a holier than thou attitude. It's very reflective of the sbc board I remember.

(06-03-2021 07:41 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Incorrect on multiple points. I gave up read the sbc board years ago. Your tone only confirms things haven't changed.
Also members of fan boards do not decide the future of conference movement. Notice the who that thinks you have a say. I never said they did.
Thirdly I did not intimate that an aq7 fbs conference would be better than the sbc etc. That was your sensitive ego that made that leap. in your previous post you said Epecially if the Aq7 schools are already FBS on their own, leaving the SBC as a lesser option"
Also I'm curious why a fan of the sbc lurks around the asun board discussing an future asun football move. With what appears to be a holier than thou attitude. It's very reflective of the sbc board I remember. I frequent the WAC board since I have a casual interest in Tarleton and NMSU since Tarleton is basically my family school and I root hard to NMSU to do good. Anyways Jedclampett basically posted over there making a plug for this thread to bring more discussion over here. So here I am. Is that acceptable?

Any school would leave the SBC for another conference in their geographic area. ie might not for leave for the MAC. Is SBC football better than CUSA right now, yes IMO.
Most would move to be in a conference with an academic school like Rice. While the CUSA is probably a step up in academics without Rice the roster isnt real great academically.
Most every FCS school would join the SBC, in the geographic area. Again the biggest hold back would be academic association. Very few FCS schools in the area who regard their self that highly.

(06-03-2021 09:02 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(06-03-2021 07:41 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Incorrect on multiple points. I gave up read the sbc board years ago. Your tone only confirms things haven't changed.
Also members of fan boards do not decide the future of conference movement. Notice the who that thinks you have a say. I never said they did.
Thirdly I did not intimate that an aq7 fbs conference would be better than the sbc etc. That was your sensitive ego that made that leap. in your previous post you said Epecially if the Aq7 schools are already FBS on their own, leaving the SBC as a lesser option"
Also I'm curious why a fan of the sbc lurks around the asun board discussing an future asun football move. With what appears to be a holier than thou attitude. It's very reflective of the sbc board I remember. I frequent the WAC board since I have a casual interest in Tarleton and NMSU since Tarleton is basically my family school and I root hard to NMSU to do good. Anyways Jedclampett basically posted over there making a plug for this thread to bring more discussion over here. So here I am. Is that acceptable?

My reply about the sbc being lesser was that after realignment raided the sbc due to a Texas and oklahomas leaving the B12 would leave the sbc lesser than their current posituon. And then a lesser option for those who might wish to change conferences. Simply that after being raided it would less appealing to those in a geographically tight AQ7 conference to move to a diminished sbc.

You see this is what I mean about sbc posters. Emotionally sensitive at the suggestion that the sbc may not be or may in the future not be the G5 SEC.

LOL, the gate keeping is ridiculous.

Sports fans want to talk sports.

Y'all are