(03-08-2021 06:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 04:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the excitement over hiring the coach of the team that UCF beat in its biggest win in history.

Still cracks me up. Gus pissed away more talent at Auburn than UCF can amass in 50 years.

Nevertheless only Cincy stands in the way of UCF completely fricking the AAC.

Strange times.

Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

You'll see his stupid shite soon enough and understand why Auburn fired him. Enjoy the honeymoon.

Gus Malzahn was a combined 7-16 (30%) against Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Gus Malzahn is 0-11 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa.

That's why he was fired.

I’m hopeful but reserving judgement. I know plenty of Auburn fans that said he basically called the same plays and it became predictable. While I believe talent levels are commiserate, playing at Memphis or Cincinnati don’t compare for atmosphere of playing in Death Valley, between the hedges or Bryant-Denny.

There's two things that are very clear about this situation:

1. There's no HC in the AAC except Fickell that can even hope to go toe to toe with Gus. Is there anyone other HC in the league that you can reasonably think could go 3-5 against Saban?

2. Gus will never be at a talent disadvantage or resource disadvantage at UCF. Cincy, Memphis, and Houston can assemble commensurate talent, but none can assemble a meaningfully superior roster the way Alabama, LSU, and Georgia can relative to Auburn. Auburn is, depending on how you look at it, the 5th to 7th best job in the SEC. At least two schools in its own division and its annual cross-over opponent are better jobs with better recruiting tools. None of that will ever be true at UCF in the AAC.

The key thing here is that Gus won at a similar clip to everyone at Auburn before him, when those guys like Tuberville faced weaker opponents in the SEC West (pre-Saban Alabama, awful Ole Miss and MSU teams, etc.). When you look at Gus's record, he only lost to an inferior team once or twice. He beat everyone he was supposed to and then did better against the most elite program and the greatest coach in the history of college football than anyone else while working at a disadvantage in talent and resources.

Tubbs has a winning record vs. Saban In 2004 he was undefeated 13-0 and beat 5 ranked teams including LSU and Georgia. Hardly a weak schedule.

2001LSU
2002Georgia
2003LSU
2004Auburn
2005Georgia
2006Florida
2007LSU
2008Florida
2009Alabama
2010Auburn
2011LSU
2012Alabama
2013Auburn
2014Alabama
2015Alabama
2016Alabama
2017Georgia
2018Alabama
2019LSU
2020Alabama

5th or 7th, I dont think so.

Lol

(03-09-2021 12:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 04:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the excitement over hiring the coach of the team that UCF beat in its biggest win in history.

Still cracks me up. Gus pissed away more talent at Auburn than UCF can amass in 50 years.

Nevertheless only Cincy stands in the way of UCF completely fricking the AAC.

Strange times.

Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

You'll see his stupid shite soon enough and understand why Auburn fired him. Enjoy the honeymoon.

Gus Malzahn was a combined 7-16 (30%) against Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Gus Malzahn is 0-11 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa.

That's why he was fired.

I’m hopeful but reserving judgement. I know plenty of Auburn fans that said he basically called the same plays and it became predictable. While I believe talent levels are commiserate, playing at Memphis or Cincinnati don’t compare for atmosphere of playing in Death Valley, between the hedges or Bryant-Denny.

He was innovative and had Cam Newton. The wishbone worked great until it didnt. I'll give him this, he changed defenses and to some degree offense in the SEC. But you arent takin Auburn to Memphis or Cincy. Also remember when UCF beat Auburn they had played Georgia, Alabama and Georgia again...those monsters you mentioned.

I think he'll do well and have a nice honeymoon. Nobody knows past that, not really.

I’m agreeing with you

(03-09-2021 12:24 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 04:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

You'll see his stupid shite soon enough and understand why Auburn fired him. Enjoy the honeymoon.

Gus Malzahn was a combined 7-16 (30%) against Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Gus Malzahn is 0-11 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa.

That's why he was fired.

I’m hopeful but reserving judgement. I know plenty of Auburn fans that said he basically called the same plays and it became predictable. While I believe talent levels are commiserate, playing at Memphis or Cincinnati don’t compare for atmosphere of playing in Death Valley, between the hedges or Bryant-Denny.

He was innovative and had Cam Newton. The wishbone worked great until it didnt. I'll give him this, he changed defenses and to some degree offense in the SEC. But you arent takin Auburn to Memphis or Cincy. Also remember when UCF beat Auburn they had played Georgia, Alabama and Georgia again...those monsters you mentioned.

I think he'll do well and have a nice honeymoon. Nobody knows past that, not really.

I’m agreeing with you

I know, frightening.

For the record, I think he will do really well. I'll be surprised if Silverfield ever beats him.

Fickell ...maybe.

(03-08-2021 10:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the excitement over hiring the coach of the team that UCF beat in its biggest win in history.

Still cracks me up. Gus pissed away more talent at Auburn than UCF can amass in 50 years.

Nevertheless only Cincy stands in the way of UCF completely fricking the AAC.

Strange times.

Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

For the past five years, Cincy (1.6) and Memphis (3.0) both had better average recruiting classes than UCF (3.2). If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed because Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently.

I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

(03-08-2021 11:32 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Seeing how this is developing, perhaps he is all in. My only worry now is that he pulls some stunt in recruiting at UCF that he got away with at Auburn - and the NCAA reminds him who is boss.

I think he'll do well in the first two years, though.

Gus is known for running a clean program so I doubt it

(03-09-2021 12:37 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 11:32 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Seeing how this is developing, perhaps he is all in. My only worry now is that he pulls some stunt in recruiting at UCF that he got away with at Auburn - and the NCAA reminds him who is boss.

I think he'll do well in the first two years, though.

Gus is known for running a clean program so I doubt it

I was wondering the same thing. Auburn was never even on probation while Gus was coach. There are a lot of myths about Newton that opposing SEC schools like to perpetuate but if my memory is right they never punished Auburn for anything

(03-09-2021 12:37 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 11:32 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Seeing how this is developing, perhaps he is all in. My only worry now is that he pulls some stunt in recruiting at UCF that he got away with at Auburn - and the NCAA reminds him who is boss.

I think he'll do well in the first two years, though.

Gus is known for running a clean program so I doubt it

"Clean SEC football program" is an oxymoron.

(03-09-2021 12:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:24 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 04:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You'll see his stupid shite soon enough and understand why Auburn fired him. Enjoy the honeymoon.

Gus Malzahn was a combined 7-16 (30%) against Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Gus Malzahn is 0-11 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa.

That's why he was fired.

I’m hopeful but reserving judgement. I know plenty of Auburn fans that said he basically called the same plays and it became predictable. While I believe talent levels are commiserate, playing at Memphis or Cincinnati don’t compare for atmosphere of playing in Death Valley, between the hedges or Bryant-Denny.

He was innovative and had Cam Newton. The wishbone worked great until it didnt. I'll give him this, he changed defenses and to some degree offense in the SEC. But you arent takin Auburn to Memphis or Cincy. Also remember when UCF beat Auburn they had played Georgia, Alabama and Georgia again...those monsters you mentioned.

I think he'll do well and have a nice honeymoon. Nobody knows past that, not really.

I’m agreeing with you

I know, frightening.

For the record, I think he will do really well. I'll be surprised if Silverfield ever beats him.

Fickell ...maybe.

Hey now, don't you put Fickell in this conversation. He has nothing to do with any of this.

(03-09-2021 12:19 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 06:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 04:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

You'll see his stupid shite soon enough and understand why Auburn fired him. Enjoy the honeymoon.

Gus Malzahn was a combined 7-16 (30%) against Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Gus Malzahn is 0-11 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa.

That's why he was fired.

I’m hopeful but reserving judgement. I know plenty of Auburn fans that said he basically called the same plays and it became predictable. While I believe talent levels are commiserate, playing at Memphis or Cincinnati don’t compare for atmosphere of playing in Death Valley, between the hedges or Bryant-Denny.

There's two things that are very clear about this situation:

1. There's no HC in the AAC except Fickell that can even hope to go toe to toe with Gus. Is there anyone other HC in the league that you can reasonably think could go 3-5 against Saban?

2. Gus will never be at a talent disadvantage or resource disadvantage at UCF. Cincy, Memphis, and Houston can assemble commensurate talent, but none can assemble a meaningfully superior roster the way Alabama, LSU, and Georgia can relative to Auburn. Auburn is, depending on how you look at it, the 5th to 7th best job in the SEC. At least two schools in its own division and its annual cross-over opponent are better jobs with better recruiting tools. None of that will ever be true at UCF in the AAC.

The key thing here is that Gus won at a similar clip to everyone at Auburn before him, when those guys like Tuberville faced weaker opponents in the SEC West (pre-Saban Alabama, awful Ole Miss and MSU teams, etc.). When you look at Gus's record, he only lost to an inferior team once or twice. He beat everyone he was supposed to and then did better against the most elite program and the greatest coach in the history of college football than anyone else while working at a disadvantage in talent and resources.

Tubbs has a winning record vs. Saban In 2004 he was undefeated 13-0 and beat 5 ranked teams including LSU and Georgia. Hardly a weak schedule.

2001LSU
2002Georgia
2003LSU
2004Auburn
2005Georgia
2006Florida
2007LSU
2008Florida
2009Alabama
2010Auburn
2011LSU
2012Alabama
2013Auburn
2014Alabama
2015Alabama
2016Alabama
2017Georgia
2018Alabama
2019LSU
2020Alabama

5th or 7th, I dont think so.

Lol

By most any measure, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Florida are superior programs to Auburn. Fifth to seventh depends on how you rank Texas A&M and Tennessee against Auburn. I’d put them sixth behind A&M personally.

And I’ve already said above that Tubbs vs Saban at LSU ≠ facing Saban at Alabama. His LSU program was nothing compared to the monster he had at Alabama.

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 10:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the excitement over hiring the coach of the team that UCF beat in its biggest win in history.

Still cracks me up. Gus pissed away more talent at Auburn than UCF can amass in 50 years.

Nevertheless only Cincy stands in the way of UCF completely fricking the AAC.

Strange times.

Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

For the past five years, Cincy (1.6) and Memphis (3.0) both had better average recruiting classes than UCF (3.2). If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed because Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently.

I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 10:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the excitement over hiring the coach of the team that UCF beat in its biggest win in history.

Still cracks me up. Gus pissed away more talent at Auburn than UCF can amass in 50 years.

Nevertheless only Cincy stands in the way of UCF completely fricking the AAC.

Strange times.

Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

For the past five years, Cincy (1.6) and Memphis (3.0) both had better average recruiting classes than UCF (3.2). If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed because Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently.

I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 10:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

For the past five years, Cincy (1.6) and Memphis (3.0) both had better average recruiting classes than UCF (3.2). If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed because Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently.

I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

If he recruits then we all do. It's pretty simple.

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 10:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:11 AM)Casanova Wrote:  Our 2017 team was special with NFL guys everywhere along with Milton. No shame in losing to that team.

And also pissed away talent? Gus was consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU, and was still very competitive. He wasn’t fired for being a bad coach, he was fired for not being good enough for Auburn. Those are two completely different things. You can’t be a bad coach and never of had a losing season in the toughest division in college football. You can’t be a bad coach and be 3-5 against Nick Saban. I’m not saying he’s Vince Lombardi but you sound disingenuous

For the past five years, Cincy (1.6) and Memphis (3.0) both had better average recruiting classes than UCF (3.2). If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed because Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently.

I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-08-2021 10:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  For the past five years, Cincy (1.6) and Memphis (3.0) both had better average recruiting classes than UCF (3.2). If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed because Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently.

I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

(03-10-2021 12:42 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

I get it. UCF has been around for like a decade. Memphis has been around since 1912. Ucf is North Alabama and we're Alabama......cool.

(03-10-2021 12:56 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:42 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

I get it. UCF has been around for like a decade. Memphis has been around since 1912. Ucf is North Alabama and we're Alabama......cool.

I think it’s a bit longer than a decade since we have a 13-2 record against you but that’s just details. You’re right Memphis is Bama lmao

(03-10-2021 01:31 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:56 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:42 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

I get it. UCF has been around for like a decade. Memphis has been around since 1912. Ucf is North Alabama and we're Alabama......cool.

I think it’s a bit longer than a decade since we have a 13-2 record against you but that’s just details. You’re right Memphis is Bama lmao

Tulsa is really Bama to Cent. Fla.

You right

(03-10-2021 01:31 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:56 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:42 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

I get it. UCF has been around for like a decade. Memphis has been around since 1912. Ucf is North Alabama and we're Alabama......cool.

I think it’s a bit longer than a decade since we have a 13-2 record against you but that’s just details. You’re right Memphis is Bama lmao

Yeah, these Memphis fans are worried as hell and just trying to get their smack talk in now.

(03-10-2021 05:34 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 01:31 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:56 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:42 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

I get it. UCF has been around for like a decade. Memphis has been around since 1912. Ucf is North Alabama and we're Alabama......cool.

I think it’s a bit longer than a decade since we have a 13-2 record against you but that’s just details. You’re right Memphis is Bama lmao

Tulsa is really Bama to Cent. Fla.

You right

Tulsa is our daddy bro

(03-10-2021 12:42 AM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:13 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 11:48 PM)Casanova Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 10:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-09-2021 12:36 AM)Casanova Wrote:  I literally just said he overachieved with the talent he had so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. It’s not hard to out recruit Heupel considering he’s one of the worst recruiters in the country

You say Auburn was “consistently at a talent deficit when compared to teams like Alabama and LSU” and he was fired for “not being good enough for Auburn”. Unless he improves recruiting, the logical conclusion is he is in the same situation with Memphis and Cincy and trail Memphis and Cincy like he did Alabama and LSU.

Memphis and Cincy show no signs of recruiting slippage presently. If Gus needs a material talent advantage not enjoyed in the SEC to win big in the AAC, then UCF fans might be disappointed

Well obviously he’s going to improve recruiting. It’s hard not to when Heup was one of the worst recruiters in the country. He’s already well on his way in that regard.

And to your last point, you’re completely off. Cincy and Memphis have recruited well, but you’re no Alabama with all due respect. No one will ever put talent Alabama as long as Saban is there. Even under Heup our recruiting classes were very close to yours in average recruiting rating. I’m willing to bet the ranch we have a better recruiting class in 22 than Memphis if you want that bet

You seem to labor under the impression it will be easier for Gus to recruit at UCF than at Auburn because UCF is the Alabama of the AAC.

Unsurprisingly, some AAC schools have doubts about the claim given the weight of their own accomplishments.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the difference between UCF and Memphis is much smaller than the difference between Alabama and Auburn. That goes both ways. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that

The primary reason for Alabama's separation is the coach. Pre-Saban, Alabama was in the doldrums for several years. If Gus is the savior coach proclaimed by some UCF fans, then the gap between Alabama and Auburn would be less now.

l close my part of our exchange by stating IMO Gus is a good hire for UCF and UCF is a terrific program whose ascent in a short time span is a remarkable achievement. However, I think some UCF fans have an irritating tendency to underestimate the resistance offered by AAC schools to the ambitions of UCF supremacy.