(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:55 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 09:28 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  https://twitter.com/coachcam30/status/13...17536?s=21

Take this for what it’s worth, but it’s not from some random twitter account. He’s someone who knows his stuff about basketball. I can’t speak to his news-breaking penchant, though. Hope he’s right.

Wow.

I'm trying not to get too excited. However, if this happens it will be the first time in decades that I've been head over heels for an EMU coaching hire (in ANY sport). Since Milton Barnes, anyway.

Remember that Braun came out of nowhere.

Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

?????

Barnes team was rankled by dissension even in the first year. Players transferred. Brian Miller got canned mid-season. Amy Whitesall wrote an article in the A2 News about the dissension on the team.

In 1997/8 talent won, though.

(04-10-2021 11:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:55 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Wow.

I'm trying not to get too excited. However, if this happens it will be the first time in decades that I've been head over heels for an EMU coaching hire (in ANY sport). Since Milton Barnes, anyway.

Remember that Braun came out of nowhere.

Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

?????

Barnes team was rankled by dissension even in the first year. Players transferred. Brian Miller got canned mid-season. Amy Whitesall wrote an article in the A2 News about the dissension on the team.

In 1997/8 talent won, though.

I’m not saying he was good. But I think he was better than Boone, Ramsey, and Murphy.

He was also responsible for recruiting most of the talent that took Minnesota to the Final 4 in 1997.

(04-10-2021 07:43 PM)KPJ Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 06:46 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 06:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Barnes destroyed EMU hoops. He inherited a MAC championship team, had a new arena being built, and could not recruit a lick. A soon as Earl and Co were gone it was straight to the bottom.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J727AZ using Tapatalk

That's a stretch. Barnes was only at EMU two years. Tough to hang his recruiting on that. As for Minnesota's issues, Diles always tried to hang Barnes with it, but NCAA never hit Barnes with anything. They did hit Clem Haskins with the kitchen sink.

Yes, tough loss w/Waters. But we'll never really know what kind of coach Barnes could have been. The question now is, Heath gets a clean slate at EMU, much like Waters did at Kent, so let's see what he does with it.

Barnes was at EMU for four years.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coa...nes-1.html

In terms of recruiting, he was starting to get things in place. In 1999-2000, he brought in Antonio Gates, Adam Hess who went on to become one of the top scorers in the nation after leaving EMU), CJ Grantham who made a strong case for MAC Freshman of the year, and Ryan Prillman who took some time to develop, but was a real force by his senior year.

Don't forget Calvin Warner

(04-11-2021 06:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 07:43 PM)KPJ Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 06:46 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 06:21 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Barnes destroyed EMU hoops. He inherited a MAC championship team, had a new arena being built, and could not recruit a lick. A soon as Earl and Co were gone it was straight to the bottom.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J727AZ using Tapatalk

That's a stretch. Barnes was only at EMU two years. Tough to hang his recruiting on that. As for Minnesota's issues, Diles always tried to hang Barnes with it, but NCAA never hit Barnes with anything. They did hit Clem Haskins with the kitchen sink.

Yes, tough loss w/Waters. But we'll never really know what kind of coach Barnes could have been. The question now is, Heath gets a clean slate at EMU, much like Waters did at Kent, so let's see what he does with it.

Barnes was at EMU for four years.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coa...nes-1.html

In terms of recruiting, he was starting to get things in place. In 1999-2000, he brought in Antonio Gates, Adam Hess who went on to become one of the top scorers in the nation after leaving EMU), CJ Grantham who made a strong case for MAC Freshman of the year, and Ryan Prillman who took some time to develop, but was a real force by his senior year.

Don't forget Calvin Warner

Warner was a sophomore that season or I would have listed him.

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:55 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 09:28 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  https://twitter.com/coachcam30/status/13...17536?s=21

Take this for what it’s worth, but it’s not from some random twitter account. He’s someone who knows his stuff about basketball. I can’t speak to his news-breaking penchant, though. Hope he’s right.

Wow.

I'm trying not to get too excited. However, if this happens it will be the first time in decades that I've been head over heels for an EMU coaching hire (in ANY sport). Since Milton Barnes, anyway.

Remember that Braun came out of nowhere.

Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:55 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Wow.

I'm trying not to get too excited. However, if this happens it will be the first time in decades that I've been head over heels for an EMU coaching hire (in ANY sport). Since Milton Barnes, anyway.

Remember that Braun came out of nowhere.

Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html

I appreciate all the comments about the past of EMU basketball, but for Pete's sake can we can get some information on WHEN the new coach will be announced so he can get to work rebuilding the program?!

(04-11-2021 07:31 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html

I appreciate all the comments about the past of EMU basketball, but for Pete's sake can we can get some information on WHEN the new coach will be announced so he can get to work rebuilding the program?!

Okay, I try not to be a 'hater' but President Shelton made some bad, bad moves, Eagles and Barnes.

Shelton/Wiser had probably the best mid-major vacancy to file in 1996 and it didn't go well.

(04-11-2021 07:39 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:31 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html

I appreciate all the comments about the past of EMU basketball, but for Pete's sake can we can get some information on WHEN the new coach will be announced so he can get to work rebuilding the program?!

Okay, I try not to be a 'hater' but President Shelton made some bad, bad moves, Eagles and Barnes.

Shelton/Wiser had probably the best mid-major vacancy to file in 1996 and it didn't go well.

True. But AT THE TIME, it looked like a home run on paper.

(04-11-2021 07:31 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html

I appreciate all the comments about the past of EMU basketball, but for Pete's sake can we can get some information on WHEN the new coach will be announced so he can get to work rebuilding the program?!

This process is driving us to madness.

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:55 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Wow.

I'm trying not to get too excited. However, if this happens it will be the first time in decades that I've been head over heels for an EMU coaching hire (in ANY sport). Since Milton Barnes, anyway.

Remember that Braun came out of nowhere.

Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

Good stuff Steve. That was back when shadiness got you fired. Now, it gets you a promotion. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.

(04-11-2021 07:59 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

Good stuff Steve. That was back when shadiness got you fired. Now, it gets you a promotion. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.

I don't want to go any further. I'll let Jerry, if he wishes. But I believe that EMU MBB might have been in big trouble if Barnes was not let go.

There were legal issues within the program as I understand it.

As sad as it was to see our program go through down year after down year, Diles deserves credit if he preemptively prevented problems with the NCAA or the law.

(04-11-2021 07:56 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:31 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html

I appreciate all the comments about the past of EMU basketball, but for Pete's sake can we can get some information on WHEN the new coach will be announced so he can get to work rebuilding the program?!

This process is driving us to madness.

The sports worlds answer to Chinese water torture drip drip

(04-11-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:59 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

Good stuff Steve. That was back when shadiness got you fired. Now, it gets you a promotion. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.

I don't want to go any further. I'll let Jerry, if he wishes. But I believe that EMU MBB might have been in big trouble if Barnes was not let go.

There were legal issues within the program as I understand it.

As sad as it was to see our program go through down year after down year, Diles deserves credit if he preemptively prevented problems with the NCAA or the law.

WOW ...

This is starting to sound like a Washington D.C. drama: .... I understand ... I heard .... someone said ... I read ... I've been told. But no hard facts.

First, re: Diles: he and admissions approve the signing of recruits. If they were so suspect of Barnes they should have been going over credentials for all recruits with a fine tooth comb. Diles wanted his own guy, and he got him.

Second, the only substantive charge here is the claim "he knew about" the cheating. That's a long way from having his hands in the cookie jar. If Barnes had committed the "unpardonable sins" Diles claimed, the NCAA surely would have tagged him because as others pointed out, the assistants were/are the easiest to pin the blame on.

(04-11-2021 07:59 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 02:14 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Agreed. We honestly can’t do better in terms of qualifications in a candidate. I hope he’s a the guy.

Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

Good stuff Steve. That was back when shadiness got you fired. Now, it gets you a promotion. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.

Ain't that the truth cow! Self gets a lifetime contract at Kansas with language that forgives any past NCAA transgressions in the Nike FBI scandal. Arizona fires Miller and mentions potential violations, but that behavior was exposed two years ago, I suspect his dismissal was more a result of not making the tourney this year. Roy Williams has been memorialized upon retirement although UNC was found encouraging BB players to enroll in faux academic courses tarnishing the value of a UNC scholarship and degree. And yes, Kelvin Sampson was back in the Final Four despite leaving both Oklahoma and Indiana in probation.

I can't wait to see all the good stuff that happens when "Fair Pay to Play" is enacted.

(04-11-2021 09:51 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:59 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

Good stuff Steve. That was back when shadiness got you fired. Now, it gets you a promotion. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.

I don't want to go any further. I'll let Jerry, if he wishes. But I believe that EMU MBB might have been in big trouble if Barnes was not let go.

There were legal issues within the program as I understand it.

As sad as it was to see our program go through down year after down year, Diles deserves credit if he preemptively prevented problems with the NCAA or the law.

WOW ...

This is starting to sound like a Washington D.C. drama: .... I understand ... I heard .... someone said ... I read ... I've been told. But no hard facts.

First, re: Diles: he and admissions approve the signing of recruits. If they were so suspect of Barnes they should have been going over credentials for all recruits with a fine tooth comb. Diles wanted his own guy, and he got him.

Second, the only substantive charge here is the claim "he knew about" the cheating. That's a long way from having his hands in the cookie jar. If Barnes had committed the "unpardonable sins" Diles claimed, the NCAA surely would have tagged him because as others pointed out, the assistants were/are the easiest to pin the blame on.

My final word on this:

NCAA hits both head coaches and assistants with 'show cause' penalties at the least for their confirmed mis-deeds. This is what happened w/the Kent State coach when he was at Indiana for making extra phone calls to recruits for Sampson.

By comparison, whatever Barnes did -- if he did anything -- at Minnesota or EMU must have been well below that bar. Which BTW was a recruiting rule (phone calls/texts) soon abolished by the NCAA before either the KSU coach or Sampson had served out their penalties.

My goodness, Steve. You are so far out of line on this Barnes tangent. If you knew he did something illegal and at EMU, than say it. If not, you are just tarnishing a man’s name needlessly. And what transfers are you referring to? Mick Pennisi? No one else transferred out under Barnes. And who were his trouble maker recruits? Adam Hess the straight A student??

You can question Barnes performance. He only won with Brauns talent and probably could have faired a little better at that (ie, why did EMU need a last second miracle shot from Boykins to secure a home spot in the MAC tourney opener his senior year). And he literally did not recruit anyone of value until year 4 (other than Calvin Warner). But Boone was a clear step down from Barnes in performance and recruiting.

FURTHER, Boone lost scholarships for EMU during his time here. Ramsey had to clean up the program after Boone to regain scholarships, graduation rates, etc. Boone did not have to do this after Barnes, so what could Barnes really be guilty of??? I would also say Ramsey improved the level of basketball performance over what Boone provided. You are totally rewriting history and whitewashing Diles/Boone record... and while tarnishing someone else’s name.

(04-11-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:59 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-11-2021 07:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 11:30 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 04:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Were you actually excited about Milton Barnes, Bovine? I recall not knowing who he was other than Minnesota had some decent teams back then- so was not against his hire necessarily. In retrospect, I always regretted that we lost out on Gary Waters transitioning to the role as he just went over to Kent St before the search. Given how he built Kent St out as the powerhouse they would become. Gary Waters made Stan Heath and Jim Christians careers. Not to take anything away from either Christian or Heath, as Cleveland very effectively pointed out earlier that Heath definitely deserve credit in his own right for that elite 8 run.

Hi Ramy: I have to admit, if I’m being honest, that I was REALLY excited about the Barnes hire at the time. My father is a Minnesota alum, and I followed their basketball program extremely closely. They had some salty, excellent teams. And Barnes was Haskins’ top assistant! He was known as a superb Big 10 recruiter.

Obviously, in retrospect, I was way off. It certainly would have been better to give Waters the job. But in the moment it looked like EMU was making a “big time” move. That said, I agree with the other posters that Barnes was better in the role than we may remember.

I understand that Barnes' hire was engineered (and you don't think EMU didn't have engineering back then ) by President Shelton's VP, Harris.

I guess sometimes Regents, vice presidents, etc. all like to get involved in hiring decisions they probably shouldn't have.

I believe Tim Wiser was the AD then. I believe Diles took over in 1999 and cleaned house in men's hoops in 2000.

This is my opinion, as it can not be subjected to any kind of logical, empirical test, but Barnes W-L RECORD was CERTAINLY good enough to earn him an extension.

From 30,000 feet the prospects actually looked really bright.

As suggested by these posts, he had recruited a very good nucleus of players and had a respectable 9 - 9 conference record in a rebuild (obviously EMU lost a ton of talent in March, 1998).

As Jerry and I have been suggesting, there were other things, away from the public eye, which apparently caused Diles to not extend Barnes.

I heard some vague stuff, but remember Barnes' record is at BOTH Minnesota and EMU. If Diles found that Barnes had committed unpardonable sins at either (or both) he would be gone. I don't really know what UMinnesota and NCAA found out by individuals such as Barnes. Haskins was hit very hard. I remember that. The 'show cause', etc. stuff which is almost a death penalty for a college coach. One thing I assume we know (or assume) is that when there is dirty dealing they work on the 'deniability' principle to protect the HC. We've seen this in the most recent round of scandals. The recruiting coaches are taking the fall while the HC claims no knowledge.

EDIT: I just Googled and found this. Good summary and better sources than me...

http://www.espn.com/ncb/news/2000/0306/404290.html


P.S. Sometimes Google is a poster's best friend...

Good stuff Steve. That was back when shadiness got you fired. Now, it gets you a promotion. Up is down, right is wrong, etc.

I don't want to go any further. I'll let Jerry, if he wishes. But I believe that EMU MBB might have been in big trouble if Barnes was not let go.

There were legal issues within the program as I understand it.

As sad as it was to see our program go through down year after down year, Diles deserves credit if he preemptively prevented problems with the NCAA or the law.

He was.

Eddie George to Tennessee St, is exactly why I want Earl Boykins to E Michigan! Enormous publicity! Some buzz! Eddie George has zero head coaching experience as well! I hope Tennessee St wins fast! Great hire! Majority of people on here don't agree! 24 years since E Michigan basketball was playing for championships! Stan Heath doesn't bring that buzz factor period!

Heath brings coaching competence and the ability to develop talent and make it better. Murphy brought in talent but its open question how much the players improved with him. The thing that impresses me about Heath is how he gets his G League players to play defense.

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2020/8/...aver-heath

(04-12-2021 05:15 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Heath brings coaching competence and the ability to develop talent and make it better. Murphy brought in talent but its open question how much the players improved with him. The thing that impresses me about Heath is how he gets his G League players to play defense.

https://www.ridiculousupside.com/2020/8/...aver-heath

And knows the pro game. I think pro experience is important these days.