(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

(01-18-2021 02:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 10:48 AM)solohawks Wrote:  It will be interesting to see the Republican party evolve over the next decade.

The Romany polite fiscal types are certain to try and rise from the ashes along with the McCain warhawks in terms of regaining their control.

The evangelical wing will certainly want to continue their strong influence on the party, but this new populist wing is a real wildcard. Will they go back into the shadows without a Trump like dominant leader to follow? This group has a strong apathy, disdain, and mistrust for typical career politicians so im curious if they will stick around.

Then you still have the Trump factor. He could try to run again...if he did I think he would win. More likely though I think he will try to extert his influence on who's next in 2024.

Their strong state level successes are good and they should have a strong 2022 showing, but winning the presidency will require a unique recipe of success. I don't know if they will be able to create it.

It will be interesting.....

The problem is that a lot of moderate Republican voters are leaving the Republican party for Independents. Trump attracted some on the left like the Bernie bros, but enough to replace the base who are fleeing from the party. That is why the likes of Romney is trying to get the party back to regain the moderate voters. If you lose the moderateRepublican voters? The Republican party could lose more Senate, house and state races like Texas, Missouri, Ohio and other places.

Trump expanded the party by bringing in tons of working class votes (basically Democrat Reagan voters). It wasn’t Trump policies that bothered Indy and moderate voters—it was Trump. I mean, if “America First” bothered any voter then the whole nation is screwed beyond saving.

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Sooooo... the Mueller investigation was just fake news.

Trump rolling back government regulation that was strangling business was just fake news.

Trump cutting my taxes was just fake news.

Wow. Thanks for letting me know all this. I must have been imagining all that stuff.

(01-18-2021 09:44 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Sooooo... the Mueller investigation was just fake news.

Trump rolling back government regulation that was strangling business was just fake news.

Trump cutting my taxes was just fake news.

Wow. Thanks for letting me know all this. I must have been imagining all that stuff.

there ya go! find a candidate who will do those things while not making it all about him, his family, his tweets, etc

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

The GOP has long been run by RINOs. The Party of Lincoln is the costume they wear to make everyone think they're the good guys.

Trump was the guy who called them out and did something about it. And that's the reason why 75 million people would vote for him again. Or, if it came down to it, support a new party.

A new party would allow the RINOs to join the Dems publicly and end their covert affilitiation.

what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

(01-18-2021 09:47 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:44 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Sooooo... the Mueller investigation was just fake news.

Trump rolling back government regulation that was strangling business was just fake news.

Trump cutting my taxes was just fake news.

Wow. Thanks for letting me know all this. I must have been imagining all that stuff.

there ya go! find a candidate who will do those things while not making it all about him, his family, his tweets, etc

I.E., style over substance.

Got it.

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Ehhh. Trump was very pro-business, he was pro-deregulation, and he was pro-military (rebuilt the military and gave it pretty much everything its generals wanted, except a shiny new war to fight). Trumps issue was his character and moral background didn’t really match the typical Republican candidate.

Frankly, had he been a Democrat, I’m pretty sure his character would never have been an issue with the press or fellow party members. I mean, they ran Clinton (twice) and voted loyally for Hillary. Democrats and the press dont give a crap about character or morality when it comes to their Democrat presidential candidates. They will vote for any animate object with a “D” next to the name. In Biden’s case—even the “animate” part isn’t necessary.

(01-18-2021 10:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Ehhh. Trump was very pro-business, he was pro-deregulation, and he was pro-military (rebuilt the military and gave it pretty much everything its generals wanted, except a shiny new war to fight). Trumps issue was his character and moral background didn’t really match the typical Republican candidate.

Frankly, had he been a Democrat, I’m pretty sure his character would never have been an issue with the press or fellow party members. I mean, they ran Clinton (twice) and voted loyally for Hillary. Democrats and the press dont give a crap about character or morality when it comes to their Democrat presidential candidates. They will vote for any animate object with a “D” next to the name. In Biden’s case—even the “animate” part isn’t necessary.

No he's right, Trump is pro-Trump. Now if getting you to believe that he is for that makes you pro-Trump, then that is what he will sell you. This was made evident by the 2020 GOP platform.

"RESOLUTION REGARDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM
WHEREAS, The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly scaled back the size and scope of the 2020 Republican National Convention in Charlotte due to strict restrictions on gatherings and meetings, and out of concern for the safety of convention attendees and our hosts;
WHEREAS, The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement;
WHEREAS, All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born, and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric;
WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration;
WHEREAS, The media has outrageously misrepresented the implications of the RNC not adopting a new platform in 2020 and continues to engage in misleading advocacy for the failed policies of the Obama-Biden Administration, rather than providing the public with unbiased reporting of facts; and
WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and
RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order."

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Are you talking about Obama?

And eighty million people don't hate Trump. Eighty million ballots do.

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

(01-18-2021 10:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Ehhh. Trump was very pro-business, he was pro-deregulation, and he was pro-military (rebuilt the military and gave it pretty much everything its generals wanted, except a shiny new war to fight). Trumps issue was his character and moral background didn’t really match the typical Republican candidate.

Frankly, had he been a Democrat, I’m pretty sure his character would never have been an issue with the press or fellow party members. I mean, they ran Clinton (twice) and voted loyally for Hillary. Democrats and the press dont give a crap about character or morality when it comes to their Democrat presidential candidates. They will vote for any animate object with a “D” next to the name. In Biden’s case—even the “animate” part isn’t necessary.

No he's right, Trump is pro-Trump. Now if getting you to believe that he is for that makes you pro-Trump, then that is what he will sell you. This was made evident by the 2020 GOP platform.

"RESOLUTION REGARDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM
WHEREAS, The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly scaled back the size and scope of the 2020 Republican National Convention in Charlotte due to strict restrictions on gatherings and meetings, and out of concern for the safety of convention attendees and our hosts;
WHEREAS, The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement;
WHEREAS, All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born, and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric;
WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration;
WHEREAS, The media has outrageously misrepresented the implications of the RNC not adopting a new platform in 2020 and continues to engage in misleading advocacy for the failed policies of the Obama-Biden Administration, rather than providing the public with unbiased reporting of facts; and
WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and
RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order."

So, in other words the 2020 platform, would essentially be the same platform that was written in 2016 that Trump ran on successfully. Shocking.

Im sure Obama had no influence at all on the 2012 platform. lol--his supporters controlled that Platform Committee and wrote exactly what they were told to write by the Obama people. Thats how it works. Now, Im sure there was more change because the 2008 Platform was heavily influenced by the Clinton people who still controlled much of the Party at that time. That said, the changes made would have moved the platform to conform to Obama, not the other way around.

Here is the dirty little secret---in the real world, an incumbent presidential candidate and effective leader of the party sets the platform. Joe Biden literally was quoted as saying exactly that in a conference call a few weeks ago with other party leaders. When he got push back on an issue---Biden forcefully told those on the call that "I AM the Democratic Party". Thats what presidents do. Sorry dude---but if you think Trump is the only president to have an oversized ego or who sets the platform agenda for his party---you could not be more wrong.

(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy.

(01-18-2021 11:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy.

And my guess is that when it is all said and done, saying the election was "fake" will be more accurate than saying "the election was the most secure election in history." My belief is neither is true and the truth lies somewhere in between. Given the tightness of the election in a handful or swing states upon which the election hinged---its not out of the realm of possibility that the there was enough fraud to change the outcome. In my opinion, until we have a in depth investigative audit of the mail in ballots and their signature verifications we really wont know how secure, accurate, and fraud free the election was or wasnt. I frankly have little doubt there was more fraud than normal in 2020---but I simply have no idea if it was enough to change the outcome.

(01-18-2021 11:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy.

And my guess is that when it is all said and done, saying the election was "fake" will be more accurate than saying "the election was the most secure election in history." My belief is neither is true and the truth lies somewhere in between. Given the tightness of the election in a handful or swing states upon which the election hinged---its not out of the realm of possibility that the there was enough fraud to change the outcome. In my opinion, until we have a in depth investigative audit of the mail in ballots and their signature verifications we really wont know how secure, accurate, and fraud free the election was or wasnt. I frankly have little doubt there was more fraud than normal in 2020---but I simply have no idea if it was enough to change the outcome.

Similar to the 1960 election, people will be claiming the 2020 election was stolen for 50 years.

(01-18-2021 11:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Ehhh. Trump was very pro-business, he was pro-deregulation, and he was pro-military (rebuilt the military and gave it pretty much everything its generals wanted, except a shiny new war to fight). Trumps issue was his character and moral background didn’t really match the typical Republican candidate.

Frankly, had he been a Democrat, I’m pretty sure his character would never have been an issue with the press or fellow party members. I mean, they ran Clinton (twice) and voted loyally for Hillary. Democrats and the press dont give a crap about character or morality when it comes to their Democrat presidential candidates. They will vote for any animate object with a “D” next to the name. In Biden’s case—even the “animate” part isn’t necessary.

No he's right, Trump is pro-Trump. Now if getting you to believe that he is for that makes you pro-Trump, then that is what he will sell you. This was made evident by the 2020 GOP platform.

"RESOLUTION REGARDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM
WHEREAS, The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly scaled back the size and scope of the 2020 Republican National Convention in Charlotte due to strict restrictions on gatherings and meetings, and out of concern for the safety of convention attendees and our hosts;
WHEREAS, The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement;
WHEREAS, All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born, and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric;
WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration;
WHEREAS, The media has outrageously misrepresented the implications of the RNC not adopting a new platform in 2020 and continues to engage in misleading advocacy for the failed policies of the Obama-Biden Administration, rather than providing the public with unbiased reporting of facts; and
WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and
RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order."

So, in other words the 2020 platform, would essentially be the same platform that was written in 2016 that Trump ran on successfully. Shocking.

Im sure Obama had no influence at all on the 2012 platform. lol--his supporters controlled that Platform Committee and wrote exactly what they were told to write by the Obama people. Thats how it works. Now, Im sure there was more change because the 2008 Platform was heavily influenced by the Clinton people who still controlled much of the Party at that time. That said, the changes made would have moved the platform to conform to Obama, not the other way around.

Here is the dirty little secret---in the real world, an incumbent presidential candidate and effective leader of the party sets the platform. Joe Biden literally was quoted as saying exactly that in a conference call a few weeks ago with other party leaders. When he got push back on an issue---Biden forcefully told those on the call that "I AM the Democratic Party". Thats what presidents do. Sorry dude---but if you think Trump is the only president to have an oversized ego or who sets the platform agenda for his party---you could not be more wrong.

Biden is delusional. He is a puppet.

(01-18-2021 11:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 09:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 08:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The republican party has too many traitors, back stabbers and flat out fakes that need to be identified and removed.

Any true republican would have gotten behind Trump and fought off the attacks that he absorbed from the left for four freaking years.

Romney, Collns, Murkowski, Jebbie, Kasich, all ten house reps that voted to impeach... get them the he!! out of there.

You don't have to take an oath of loyalty, for gosh sakes. But when you stand by and laugh while the country gets handed over to the people that are going to be in power now, then you're not a republican.

wrong. fake news.

Trump tried to turn the GOP into the Party of Trump.

The GOP is the Party of Lincoln who stands for less govt in your life, fiscal responsibility, and freedom through self reliance. Trump made them all about him and his failures. The GOP needs to get back to it's roots and move away from Donnie.

Ehhh. Trump was very pro-business, he was pro-deregulation, and he was pro-military (rebuilt the military and gave it pretty much everything its generals wanted, except a shiny new war to fight). Trumps issue was his character and moral background didn’t really match the typical Republican candidate.

Frankly, had he been a Democrat, I’m pretty sure his character would never have been an issue with the press or fellow party members. I mean, they ran Clinton (twice) and voted loyally for Hillary. Democrats and the press dont give a crap about character or morality when it comes to their Democrat presidential candidates. They will vote for any animate object with a “D” next to the name. In Biden’s case—even the “animate” part isn’t necessary.

No he's right, Trump is pro-Trump. Now if getting you to believe that he is for that makes you pro-Trump, then that is what he will sell you. This was made evident by the 2020 GOP platform.

"RESOLUTION REGARDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM
WHEREAS, The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly scaled back the size and scope of the 2020 Republican National Convention in Charlotte due to strict restrictions on gatherings and meetings, and out of concern for the safety of convention attendees and our hosts;
WHEREAS, The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement;
WHEREAS, All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born, and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric;
WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration;
WHEREAS, The media has outrageously misrepresented the implications of the RNC not adopting a new platform in 2020 and continues to engage in misleading advocacy for the failed policies of the Obama-Biden Administration, rather than providing the public with unbiased reporting of facts; and
WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and
RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order."

So, in other words the 2020 platform, would essentially be the same platform that was written in 2016 that Trump ran on successfully. Shocking.

Im sure Obama had no influence at all on the 2012 platform. lol--his supporters controlled that Platform Committee and wrote exactly what they were told to write by the Obama people. Thats how it works. Now, Im sure there was more change because the 2008 Platform was heavily influenced by the Clinton people who still controlled much of the Party at that time. That said, the changes made would have moved the platform to conform to Obama, not the other way around.

Here is the dirty little secret---in the real world, an incumbent presidential candidate and effective leader of the party sets the platform. Joe Biden literally was quoted as saying exactly that in a conference call a few weeks ago with other party leaders. When he got push back on an issue---Biden forcefully told those on the call that "I AM the Democratic Party". Thats what presidents do. Sorry dude---but if you think Trump is the only president to have an oversized ego or who sets the platform agenda for his party---you could not be more wrong.

I agree with you. However, the platform above is exceptionally thin and this is what stuck out to me.

"WHEREAS, The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement;"

What does the Republican Party stand for these days?

(01-18-2021 11:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy.

The vast majority of Republicans, and healthy percentages of both Independents and Democrats think there was election tampering.

Keep denying and people will know you're either crazy or crooked.

Kinda like the entire 4 years the left, their media and their sheep pushed Russia Gate. Eventually, the facts came out and proved all of them wrong and conservatives correct.

(01-18-2021 01:02 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy.

The vast majority of Republicans, and healthy percentages of both Independents and Democrats think there was election tampering.

Keep denying and people will know you're either crazy or crooked.

Kinda like the entire 4 years the left, their media and their sheep pushed Russia Gate. Eventually, the facts came out and proved all of them wrong and conservatives correct.

This falls under of the category of trying to piss on us and tell us its raining. When the polling places in the swing states all close down between 11PM Eastern and Midnight and suddenly and inexplicably stop counting (so they can bring in enough fake absentee ballots to overcome what were deficits at the time the counting was stopped) and then the previously counted vote tallies are changed by the machines, and then the SOB's tell us there is no fraud it just infuriates the public. Every damn body knows there was fraud. Dems laugh about it and joke about it when they think they are only with buds, the Republicans know a steal when they see one because there was nothing covert about it. It was right out there for everyone to see.

It's the biggest damned disgrace in the history of elections in the United States but because this is what the corporate overlords wanted then the turncoat republicans and the democrats in Congress will all turn a blind eye because they know where their campaign funds come from, and it sure as hell isn't the citizens.

I've never in my life seen a bunch of socialists so stupid that they think doing the bidding of fascists is going to end well for them. And these rubes who think Abrams and Cortez are for the poor are imbeciles. Just like their Republican counterparts they get to live large for selling out their voters.

(01-18-2021 12:05 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 11:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy.

And my guess is that when it is all said and done, saying the election was "fake" will be more accurate than saying "the election was the most secure election in history." My belief is neither is true and the truth lies somewhere in between. Given the tightness of the election in a handful or swing states upon which the election hinged---its not out of the realm of possibility that the there was enough fraud to change the outcome. In my opinion, until we have a in depth investigative audit of the mail in ballots and their signature verifications we really wont know how secure, accurate, and fraud free the election was or wasnt. I frankly have little doubt there was more fraud than normal in 2020---but I simply have no idea if it was enough to change the outcome.

Similar to the 1960 election, people will be claiming the 2020 election was stolen for 50 years.

Unless there is a deep dive forensic investigation similar to the Warren Commission, yeah. It will be a political meme that the 2020 election was sketchy at the very least. Hell--even with the Warren Commission, many still believe they reached the wrong conclusions on Kennedy. For instance, I actually saw a really interesting documentary that makes an excellent case for the fatal bullet having been an incredibly unfortunate accidental discharge from a Secret Service weapon in the chase car. If you look at some of the missing evidence and the people who were last seen holding that evidence....it does kinda make more sense that there was a simple CYA component at work rather than some massive conspiracy plot.