(01-05-2021 10:36 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 10:25 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 12:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  The only logical swap of an ACC school for a SEC school would be Louisville for South Carolina.

Neither are original to their conferences and since JR is so bent on $$$$$, their revenue numbers are almost identical. It's as even a trade as the two conferences could make.

Logical? Lmao ...tell that to ESPN. I'm sure they would be just fine with losing the ACCN in KY and the SECN in SC.

Good heavens...it's not 1980. ESPN decides everything for the SEC and ACC.

...and if the SEC cared about the state of North Carolina, ECU has been sitting there for decades.

You know as well as I do that if Dook, UNC or NCSU called up the SEC this afternoon and said "we are ready to join"....they would be in by 8pm tonight.

(01-05-2021 11:44 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 10:36 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 10:25 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 12:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  The only logical swap of an ACC school for a SEC school would be Louisville for South Carolina.

Neither are original to their conferences and since JR is so bent on $$$$$, their revenue numbers are almost identical. It's as even a trade as the two conferences could make.

Logical? Lmao ...tell that to ESPN. I'm sure they would be just fine with losing the ACCN in KY and the SECN in SC.

Good heavens...it's not 1980. ESPN decides everything for the SEC and ACC.

...and if the SEC cared about the state of North Carolina, ECU has been sitting there for decades.

You know as well as I do that if Dook, UNC or NCSU called up the SEC this afternoon and said "we are ready to join"....they would be in by 8pm tonight.

This might have been true in 2011. It is no longer true. They wouldn't take N.C. State with the other two. They very likely would not take Duke to get North Carolina. They might well take North Carolina to gain the basketball brand and state, but the issue in 2011 was adding markets. The issue in 2021 and forward is adding value. Does North Carolina add enough value to match the soon to be 64.2 million a year in media revenue and add more to their own pie and everyone else's in the SEC. The economic data says no.

The reason the swap proposal has any merit is because you are replacing the SEC's lowest earner with a team that likely will earn a bit more. That does add o everyone's pie. But making a straight forward addition is much tougher. So much so, that only Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State would add to the SEC bottom line each as a stand alone addition.

The GOR of the ACC has done two destructive things to singular schools. It removed them from an opportunity at upward mobility through moves at a time when their schools had value to others, and now it locks the ACC schools into a lowball contract past the passing of the Baby Boom which most assuredly means that the value of college football has peaked or will soon, and will be past its peak and in some decline by 2037. So it has locked you out of maximizing revenue in the last golden decade of college football.

How can I say that? X'er participation and support of college football is slightly less than that of Boomers. Millennial support of any participatory team sport is much lower. So it will eventually impact basketball as well in terms of commercial value, but since basketball is only 1/5th of the money maker of college football it doesn't have quite so far to fall.

The only school out of the ACC I see as a legitimate target of either the SEC or Big 10 is Notre Dame and by the Big 10. The only realistic targets of the SEC are Texas and Oklahoma which together pay enough to jack that 64.2 million to 69 million by their inclusion and some reports from a year ago say perhaps as much as 73 million. We'll see.

Each of those 3 schools adds enough value to the Big 10 or SEC to be taken with a partner school if necessary, but doing so lowers the total value of each and therefore their own total value in the move. But still that's where taking care of another state school is a possibility, not a likelihood, but a possibility.

The ACC is quite safe unless there is a breakaway due to pay for play. In that scenario a reconfiguration of conferences might act independently of current conference contracts inasmuch as those making the breakaway might bargain as a unit for a new contract. This is conjecture, but not an unreasonable one. Such a thing was proposed by Bear Bryant and John McKay in the early 70's and only failed traction because the values involved were modestly close to what they already had.

(01-05-2021 12:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  In that scenario a reconfiguration of conferences might act independently of current conference contracts inasmuch as those making the breakaway might bargain as a unit for a new contract. This is conjecture, but not an unreasonable one. Such a thing was proposed by Bear Bryant and John McKay in the early 70's and only failed traction because the values involved were modestly close to what they already had.

Care to elaborate?

(01-05-2021 11:44 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  You know as well as I do that if Dook, UNC or NCSU called up the SEC this afternoon and said "we are ready to join"....they would be in by 8pm tonight.

Oh, but we all love Wake too much!

(01-05-2021 12:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 11:44 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 10:36 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 10:25 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 12:43 PM)XLance Wrote:  The only logical swap of an ACC school for a SEC school would be Louisville for South Carolina.

Neither are original to their conferences and since JR is so bent on $$$$$, their revenue numbers are almost identical. It's as even a trade as the two conferences could make.

Logical? Lmao ...tell that to ESPN. I'm sure they would be just fine with losing the ACCN in KY and the SECN in SC.

Good heavens...it's not 1980. ESPN decides everything for the SEC and ACC.

...and if the SEC cared about the state of North Carolina, ECU has been sitting there for decades.

You know as well as I do that if Dook, UNC or NCSU called up the SEC this afternoon and said "we are ready to join"....they would be in by 8pm tonight.

This might have been true in 2011. It is no longer true. They wouldn't take N.C. State with the other two. They very likely would not take Duke to get North Carolina. They might well take North Carolina to gain the basketball brand and state, but the issue in 2011 was adding markets. The issue in 2021 and forward is adding value. Does North Carolina add enough value to match the soon to be 64.2 million a year in media revenue and add more to their own pie and everyone else's in the SEC. The economic data says no.

The reason the swap proposal has any merit is because you are replacing the SEC's lowest earner with a team that likely will earn a bit more. That does add o everyone's pie. But making a straight forward addition is much tougher. So much so, that only Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State would add to the SEC bottom line each as a stand alone addition.

The GOR of the ACC has done two destructive things to singular schools. It removed them from an opportunity at upward mobility through moves at a time when their schools had value to others, and now it locks the ACC schools into a lowball contract past the passing of the Baby Boom which most assuredly means that the value of college football has peaked or will soon, and will be past its peak and in some decline by 2037. So it has locked you out of maximizing revenue in the last golden decade of college football.

How can I say that? X'er participation and support of college football is slightly less than that of Boomers. Millennial support of any participatory team sport is much lower. So it will eventually impact basketball as well in terms of commercial value, but since basketball is only 1/5th of the money maker of college football it doesn't have quite so far to fall.

The only school out of the ACC I see as a legitimate target of either the SEC or Big 10 is Notre Dame and by the Big 10. The only realistic targets of the SEC are Texas and Oklahoma which together pay enough to jack that 64.2 million to 69 million by their inclusion and some reports from a year ago say perhaps as much as 73 million. We'll see.

Each of those 3 schools adds enough value to the Big 10 or SEC to be taken with a partner school if necessary, but doing so lowers the total value of each and therefore their own total value in the move. But still that's where taking care of another state school is a possibility, not a likelihood, but a possibility.

The ACC is quite safe unless there is a breakaway due to pay for play. In that scenario a reconfiguration of conferences might act independently of current conference contracts inasmuch as those making the breakaway might bargain as a unit for a new contract. This is conjecture, but not an unreasonable one. Such a thing was proposed by Bear Bryant and John McKay in the early 70's and only failed traction because the values involved were modestly close to what they already had.

The key word you glossed over was OR. I'm fully aware they wouldn't take all 3...or maybe even 2.

As long as there is an ACC that involves UVa, Dook and UNC (and there will have to be in order for the ACC to exist).....NCSU will be with them.

No way I make that trade. It would cost the ACC too much. Vanderbilt at least competes in baseball, we'd have to add far too much boot to get the SEC to trade a productive member in at least one sport for one who hasn't shown any concern of competing in any sport for over 30 years.

(01-05-2021 10:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No way I make that trade. It would cost the ACC too much. Vanderbilt at least competes in baseball, we'd have to add far too much boot to get the SEC to trade a productive member in at least one sport for one who hasn't shown any concern of competing in any sport for over 30 years.

Bless your heart.

(01-05-2021 10:26 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-05-2021 10:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No way I make that trade. It would cost the ACC too much. Vanderbilt at least competes in baseball, we'd have to add far too much boot to get the SEC to trade a productive member in at least one sport for one who hasn't shown any concern of competing in any sport for over 30 years.

Bless your heart.

Which sport has NC State shown any concern about competing in for the past 30 years?

State's women just won the ACC in hoops last year and are in the top 5 now (beat the Coots in that dump of a capital). They kick ass at wrestling, swimming and x country (men and women).

Count how many ACC fb and bb titles the Pack has vs the rest of the ACC. How many teams in the ACC have multiple national titles? It's been awhile but it isn't from the lack of trying which is a moronic take.

State routinely is in the post season in damn near every sport. Basketball football and certainly baseball. So lmao with this "tried to compete" BS.

Lol at you feeling high and mighty because you have had some recent success in football. So.... again...bless your heart.

Maybe you need to get out more if these things are that important to you. Then again there probably isn't much to do in "Sakerlina."

(01-05-2021 11:18 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  State's women just won the ACC in hoops last year and are in the top 5 now (beat the Colts in that dump of a capital). They kick ass at wrestling, swimming and x country (men and women).

Count how many ACC fb and bb titles the Pack has vs the rest of the ACC. How many teams in the ACC have multiple national titles? It's been awhile but it isn't from the lack of trying which is a moronic take.

State routinely is in the post season in damn near every sport. Basketball football and certainly baseball. So lmao with this "tried to compete" BS.

Lol at you feeling high and mighty because you have had some recent success in football. So.... again...bless your heart.

Maybe you need to get out more if these things are that important to you. Then again there probably isn't much to do in "Sakerlina."

Exactly how much does women's hoops, swimming, wrestling and cross country contribute to the conference bottom line again? How many of those would you trade for just making the ACCCG in football? Yeah, thought so.

There's plenty to do in South Carolina. We get to win ACC football championships and beat NC State in overtime in hoops. Oh and we can actually have a somewhat normal nightlife and don't have to shutdown at 2100 like we are some middle school kid with class tomorrow like y'all do.

You asked a question (dumb one at that) and I answered it. Now you want to change the subject when you didn't get the answer you were expecting.

Tell you what, I own property along the SC coast, just like everyone else from NC, and could use a handy man to be on call.

Can you paint and trim shrubbery? It will give you something productive to do around football season. I'll need things pressure washed soon.

How long would it take you to get to Cherry Grove? I have a Clemson grad beside one of my places. You guys can sit around and talk about how every school in NC is out to get Clemson. Hell I'll even put a rock out there for you to rub. You would love it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Textile Bowl! Best damn rivalry in the Atlantic Division!

(01-05-2021 11:59 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  You asked a question (dumb one at that) and I answered it. Now you want to change the subject when you didn't get the answer you were expecting.

Tell you what, I own property along the SC coast, just like everyone else from NC, and could use a handy man to be on call.

Can you paint and trim shrubbery? It will give you something productive to do around football season. I'll need things pressure washed soon.

How long would it take you to get to Cherry Grove? I have a Clemson grad beside one of my places. You guys can sit around and talk about how every school in NC is out to get Clemson. Hell I'll even put a rock out there for you to rub. You would love it.

Suuuure you do. Everyone on the internet is rich.


You couldn't afford me anyway. I'm retired at 49 from my career and now work as a training and technical consultant for an equipment these days pretty much when I want to work, which means I just came off a three month vacation from deer hunting.

And the last time I went to Cherry Grove was in high school in the 1980's during FFA camp. The very fact that you are bragging about owning property in Cherry Grove just goes to show how big of a fraud you are. Absolutely nobody brags about going to Cherry Grove, much less owning property there. If you are going to lie about how wealthy you are you should at least have said Pawley's Island.

If I had said Pawleys Island it would have been a lie. Bragging? Hardly...but since you were last in Cherry Grove 40 years ago, I'm sure your opinion of the area holds tons of clout. Lmfao.

And I don't give one crap about your "career." I'm sure in SC you probably feel pretty special. Whoop dee damn do. Lol...damn your sauce is weak.


Ok...I offered. If you change your mind let me know. And go tiguhs

(01-06-2021 12:36 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  If I had said Pawleys Island it would have been a lie. Bragging? Hardly...but since you were last in Cherry Grove 40 years ago, I'm sure your opinion of the area holds tons of clout. Lmfao.

And I don't give one crap about your "career." I'm sure in SC you probably feel pretty special. Whoop dee damn do. Lol...damn your sauce is weak.


Ok...I offered. If you change your mind let me know. And go tiguhs

My sauce is weak? You are the fool bragging about owning property in Cherry Grove. Enjoy the bullet holes in your singlewide dude! Guess the best thing for you around hurricane season is if the storm surge does $3k in improvements to your property.

Next thing you know you are going to brag about owning the Obama Gas Station on North Main in Columbia.

(01-06-2021 12:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Textile Bowl! Best damn rivalry in the Atlantic Division!

Lololol. Nah...Clemson folks are good people. I have plenty of them as friends. They remind me NCSU can't beat Bama and I remind them they can't tie their shoes.

(01-06-2021 12:56 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-06-2021 12:36 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  If I had said Pawleys Island it would have been a lie. Bragging? Hardly...but since you were last in Cherry Grove 40 years ago, I'm sure your opinion of the area holds tons of clout. Lmfao.

And I don't give one crap about your "career." I'm sure in SC you probably feel pretty special. Whoop dee damn do. Lol...damn your sauce is weak.


Ok...I offered. If you change your mind let me know. And go tiguhs

My sauce is weak? You are the fool bragging about owning property in Cherry Grove. Enjoy the bullet holes in your singlewide dude! Guess the best thing for you around hurricane season is if the storm surge does $3k in improvements to your property.

Next thing you know you are going to brag about owning the Obama Gas Station on North Main in Columbia.

Bless your heart....

"I could hire you to clean my property in Cherry Grove"


Mr. "I didn't brag"

You probably don't even own your doublewide in Wayne County next to the hog farm and bragging about owning property in Cherry Hill. Google ain't your friend if you only search for "oceanfront towns in SC". Next time try Googling property values before you try to talk trash.

(01-06-2021 12:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Textile Bowl! Best damn rivalry in the Atlantic Division!

Except it's not a rivalry. I'm owning Lumber Junior as bad as Clemson owns NC Sucks.

Where is Cherry Hill? Is that some other place you pretend to know all about since you once visited it 40 years ago?

Lmao at this weakness. Are you still triggered by the fact I called you out for being a pathetic internet troll and rolling around in your Clemson security blanket?

Get a life, Gomer