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RE: Is this the first presidential election that has been stolen
(11-10-2020 01:47 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
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(11-10-2020 09:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Idiots think the media certifies the election.

Go back to 2000 and see how that worked out.

in 2000 it came down to 1 state (not so this time) and they announced late on election night (they announced Biden 4 days after the election)

so not the same at all.

Uhhhhh, no they didn’t.

2000 wasn’t decided for over a month!

36 days to be precise. Stop spreading disinformation, comrade.

You are both correct. Florida was called for Gore early in the evening, before polls closed in Central Time Zone FL Panhandle. An hour or so later, it was backed out to undecided, and then called late in the evening for Bush.

Gore faught the results for 36 days in court, arguing for multiple recounts with varying standards after each prior recount was completed in Bush's favor. Gore's problem was he was only pushing for recounts in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, which the Dem controlled State Supreme Court was willing to allow. Bush challenged that state ruling to the US Supreme Court. They put a stop to the nonsense with a 7-2 decision rightly stating any recount must be done statewide with a uniform standard. The claims "the Court stole the election for Bush" comes from the second court ruling on the case, a 5-4 decision. That second ruling stated there was not enough time to conduct a fair statewide recount before the certification date 2 days later and that the state would have to either use the last recount's numbers (which FLwas prepared to do) or risk not sending their state of electors. Florida certified their totals with Bush ahead and that was the end of it.

I don't think 2000 is comparable to this year, as it was simply a result of getting an accurate count in one close state. This year is far more complicated, with 1876 being the closest comparison.

IMO, the 2000 7-2 decision for uniform statewide voting standards based the 14th Amendment equal protection clause is a precedent on which this year could hinge.
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RE: Is this the first presidential election that has been stolen
(11-10-2020 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 07:51 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Some would say 1824 was stolen for Adam's over Jackson, but that was before every state chose its electors by popular vote so I would not count that one. Though a corrupt bargain occurred to resolve it.

A compromise benefiting both side settled 1876, avoiding what was likely an attempt to steal it.

It is generally accepted that 1960 was fishy if not outright stolen.

Election fraud has been a feature of America elections since universal male suffrage was a thing in the mid-19th century and the rise of the big city political machines. While it often impacts lower ballot races, it is rare that presidential races are close enough to be impacted, as it is hard to do at a wide enough scale.

1824 was more politics. Jackson was political enemies with Adams and Clay.

Agreed, it was a simple case of political deal making. I wouldn't consider it stolen in the least but some do, so I included it.
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(11-10-2020 08:30 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 07:51 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Some would say 1824 was stolen for Adam's over Jackson, but that was before every state chose its electors by popular vote so I would not count that one. Though a corrupt bargain occurred to resolve it.

A compromise benefiting both side settled 1876, avoiding what was likely an attempt to steal it.

It is generally accepted that 1960 was fishy if not outright stolen.

Election fraud has been a feature of America elections since universal male suffrage was a thing in the mid-19th century and the rise of the big city political machines. While it often impacts lower ballot races, it is rare that presidential races are close enough to be impacted, as it is hard to do at a wide enough scale.

1824 was more politics. Jackson was political enemies with Adams and Clay.

Agreed, it was a simple case of political deal making. I wouldn't consider it stolen in the least but some do, so I included it.

There's speculation if Clay had gotten just a few thousand more votes in one state, he would have become president as he had lots of allies in the House, but he finished 4th in the electoral college, so he wasn't considered in the House.
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RE: Is this the first presidential election that has been stolen
(11-10-2020 10:06 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 09:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I'm sure the democrats have stolen more elections than just this one but in the past they at least tried to hide it. This time around they played their hand in broad daylight and we allowed it to happen. They so much as told us by their actions they were going to steal it.

dems: hey pubs, we're gonna rub shite in your feces and ewe'll like it

pubs: did we get reelected

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(11-10-2020 10:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 10:41 AM)gdunn Wrote:  My knee jerk reaction.. Because those who were filling out blank ballots aren't that bright.

Well that’s an understatement. Anyone who votes Dem is either:

A- dumb
B- looking for some sort of handout
C- hates America
D- all of the above

Let's go with D.
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(11-10-2020 10:50 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  The amount of tin foil being used as a hat across this entire room is astounding.

The number of blinders being employed by some in here is astounding.

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RE: Is this the first presidential election that has been stolen
(11-10-2020 08:28 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 01:47 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 09:51 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 09:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Idiots think the media certifies the election.

Go back to 2000 and see how that worked out.

in 2000 it came down to 1 state (not so this time) and they announced late on election night (they announced Biden 4 days after the election)

so not the same at all.

Uhhhhh, no they didn’t.

2000 wasn’t decided for over a month!

36 days to be precise. Stop spreading disinformation, comrade.

You are both correct. Florida was called for Gore early in the evening, before polls closed in Central Time Zone FL Panhandle. An hour or so later, it was backed out to undecided, and then called late in the evening for Bush.

Gore faught the results for 36 days in court, arguing for multiple recounts with varying standards after each prior recount was completed in Bush's favor. Gore's problem was he was only pushing for recounts in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, which the Dem controlled State Supreme Court was willing to allow. Bush challenged that state ruling to the US Supreme Court. They put a stop to the nonsense with a 7-2 decision rightly stating any recount must be done statewide with a uniform standard. The claims "the Court stole the election for Bush" comes from the second court ruling on the case, a 5-4 decision. That second ruling stated there was not enough time to conduct a fair statewide recount before the certification date 2 days later and that the state would have to either use the last recount's numbers (which FLwas prepared to do) or risk not sending their state of electors. Florida certified their totals with Bush ahead and that was the end of it.

I don't think 2000 is comparable to this year, as it was simply a result of getting an accurate count in one close state. This year is far more complicated, with 1876 being the closest comparison.

IMO, the 2000 7-2 decision for uniform statewide voting standards based the 14th Amendment equal protection clause is a precedent on which this year could hinge.

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RE: Is this the first presidential election that has been stolen
(11-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 10:50 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  The amount of tin foil being used as a hat across this entire room is astounding.

Sad really...these are not stupid people. But this is what being in a cult does to you.

#ETTD

Because all the crap we've seen from your side over the last 4 years hasn't been cultish. You've bought into every single claim from the left. And every time you've been shot down. #duped
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(11-11-2020 09:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  [Image: washington-times-40.jpeg?quality=80&...amp;w=1024]

The Washington Times
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Those photos have been doctored. The Washington Times never ran a "President Gore" headline.
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RE: Is this the first presidential election that has been stolen
(11-10-2020 11:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 09:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I'm sure the democrats have stolen more elections than just this one but in the past they at least tried to hide it. This time around they played their hand in broad daylight and we allowed it to happen. They so much as told us by their actions they were going to steal it.

I'm not convinced yet they stole this election, but I do know they tried. They could easily manufacture 10,000 votes. Did they manufacture 50,000 in Pennsylvania and 25,000 in Wisconsin?

If they haven't it's not been from lack of effort.
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(11-10-2020 11:23 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  The number of known mail ballots in:

FL: 4,855,487 (Trump won)
PA: 2,629,342 (Biden won)
NC: 985,857 (Trump likely won)
IA: 691,544 (Trump won)
WI: 1,303,819 (Biden won)
GA: 1,543,981 (Biden won)
TX: 974,752 (Trump won)

Don't let anyone misinform you about mail ballots.

The fraud was only committed in states Trump lost?

When only one side engages in massive fraud then yes, absolutely. It's not that difficult to see.
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(11-11-2020 09:26 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(11-11-2020 09:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  [Image: washington-times-40.jpeg?quality=80&...amp;w=1024]

The Washington Times
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Not even a good photoshop...the boldness of the font is not even close...lol
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looks like Tommy Paycheck is working today. Are you getting paid Double-time to post on a holiday, Tommy?
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(11-11-2020 09:29 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 11:23 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  The number of known mail ballots in:

FL: 4,855,487 (Trump won)
PA: 2,629,342 (Biden won)
NC: 985,857 (Trump likely won)
IA: 691,544 (Trump won)
WI: 1,303,819 (Biden won)
GA: 1,543,981 (Biden won)
TX: 974,752 (Trump won)

Don't let anyone misinform you about mail ballots.

The fraud was only committed in states Trump lost?

When only one side engages in massive fraud then yes, absolutely. It's not that difficult to see.

One side? The only side with documented fraud this election was a Trump voter who filled out a ballot for his dead mother.
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(11-11-2020 09:39 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  looks like Tommy Paycheck is working today. Are you getting paid Double-time to post on a holiday, Tommy?

No, but I do get extra pay when I make an idiot post that he thinks I'm being paid to post here, so thanks for that. Momma needs a new pair of shoes!
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(11-11-2020 09:45 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-11-2020 09:29 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 11:23 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  The number of known mail ballots in:

FL: 4,855,487 (Trump won)
PA: 2,629,342 (Biden won)
NC: 985,857 (Trump likely won)
IA: 691,544 (Trump won)
WI: 1,303,819 (Biden won)
GA: 1,543,981 (Biden won)
TX: 974,752 (Trump won)

Don't let anyone misinform you about mail ballots.

The fraud was only committed in states Trump lost?

When only one side engages in massive fraud then yes, absolutely. It's not that difficult to see.

One side? The only side with documented fraud this election was a Trump voter who filled out a ballot for his dead mother.

03-shhhh It's a well known fact only democrats cheat.
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(11-10-2020 07:51 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Some would say 1824 was stolen for Adam's over Jackson, but that was before every state chose its electors by popular vote so I would not count that one. Though a corrupt bargain occurred to resolve it.

A compromise benefiting both side settled 1876, avoiding what was likely an attempt to steal it.

It is generally accepted that 1960 was fishy if not outright stolen.

Election fraud has been a feature of America elections since universal male suffrage was a thing in the mid-19th century and the rise of the big city political machines. While it often impacts lower ballot races, it is rare that presidential races are close enough to be impacted, as it is hard to do at a wide enough scale.

If I recall correctly, Adams was in favor of a national bank and Jackson was opposed.

After a bit of digging I found this: A Corrupt Bargain

There were 5 candidates, all form the Democratic-Republican Party

Quote:With the caucus system defunct, the presidential election of 1824 featured five candidates, all of whom ran as Democratic-Republicans (the Federalists having ceased to be a national political force). The crowded field included John Quincy Adams, the son of the second president, John Adams. Candidate Adams had broken with the Federalists in the early 1800s and served on various diplomatic missions, including the mission to secure peace with Great Britain in 1814. He represented New England. A second candidate, John C. Calhoun from South Carolina, had served as secretary of war and represented the slaveholding South. He dropped out of the presidential race to run for vice president. A third candidate, Henry Clay, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, hailed from Kentucky and represented the western states. He favored an active federal government committed to internal improvements, such as roads and canals, to bolster national economic development and settlement of the West. William H. Crawford, a slaveholder from Georgia, suffered a stroke in 1823 that left him largely incapacitated, but he ran nonetheless and had the backing of the New York machine headed by Van Buren. Andrew Jackson, the famed “hero of New Orleans,” rounded out the field. Jackson had very little formal education, but he was popular for his military victories in the War of 1812 and in wars against the Creek and the Seminole. He had been elected to the Senate in 1823, and his popularity soared as pro-Jackson newspapers sang the praises of the courage and daring of the Tennessee slaveholder.

Also key to note was that Universal Manhood Suffrage had passed which allowed all white men to vote. This came into play because, now, 18 of the 24 states gave their electoral votes to the winner of the state's popular vote.

The popular vote results in those 18 states were:
Jackson - 152,901 votes
Adams - 114,023
Clay - 47,217
Crawford - 46,979

Electoral Votes Needed to Win: 131
Jackson - 99
Adams - 84
Crawford - 41
Clay - 37

Quote:Because Jackson did not receive a majority vote from the Electoral College, the election was decided following the terms of the Twelfth Amendment, which stipulated that when a candidate did not receive a majority of electoral votes, the election went to the House of Representatives, where each state would provide one vote. House Speaker Clay did not want to see his rival, Jackson, become president and therefore worked within the House to secure the presidency for Adams, convincing many to cast their vote for the New Englander. Clay’s efforts paid off; despite not having won the popular vote, John Quincy Adams was certified by the House as the next president. Once in office, he elevated Henry Clay to the post of secretary of state.

Quote:Jackson and his supporters cried foul. To them, the election of Adams reeked of anti-democratic corruption. So too did the appointment of Clay as secretary of state. John C. Calhoun labeled the whole affair a “corrupt bargain”. Everywhere, Jackson supporters vowed revenge against the anti-majoritarian result of 1824.

Adams and Sec of State pushed for the national bank and high tariffs. Because the North had expanded manufacturing and the Southern states imported items, the bulk of the tariffs fell on them.

In 1828 Jackson won both the popular and electoral votes.
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(11-11-2020 09:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 10:50 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  The amount of tin foil being used as a hat across this entire room is astounding.

The number of blinders being employed by some in here is astounding.

The BDS in this thread is astounding.
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(11-11-2020 09:59 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(11-11-2020 09:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 10:50 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  The amount of tin foil being used as a hat across this entire room is astounding.

The number of blinders being employed by some in here is astounding.

The BDS in this thread is astounding.

It won't be a thing. Be more original
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(11-11-2020 11:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(11-11-2020 09:59 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(11-11-2020 09:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(11-10-2020 10:50 AM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  The amount of tin foil being used as a hat across this entire room is astounding.

The number of blinders being employed by some in here is astounding.

The BDS in this thread is astounding.

It won't be a thing. Be more original

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