(01-03-2022 03:55 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:49 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:33 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:32 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Steve,

I’m one of the biggest CC supporters at EMU. If I don’t believe, then not many (especially recruits) will believe they can win a championship. This will be year 9

frank solich never won the mac

How many divisional titles? How many times did he play for a MACC in 9 years?

4 division titles in 16 years

That’s 1 appearance every 4 years. So far CC is 0 for 8.

I love CC but as you can see the other coaches will use this to recruit against him.

I'm not sure. C.C. is well liked. The program is good and clean. Much improved facilities, etc.

Your view is almost fatalistically doomed. You have to be #1 to be #1 going forward.

I'm sure recruits see all of the MAC West teams as all very competitive programs. I don't see a 'tier I' and 'tier II' in the MAC West.

On any given Saturday (or Tuesday or Wednesday night)...

(01-03-2022 02:17 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 01:31 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:28 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 11:41 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 11:24 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  It's very interesting seeing how McElwain is doing it in Mt. Pleasant. I think this is his 2nd or 3rd yr. Looking at his team, they look GREAT in certain areas. He has a stud RB who next yr will be his redshirt Soph, a D-line which looks fast and big (nothing like ours) and McElwain benched the portal transfer for a younger QB and it worked out. Very interesting.......

He’s a great coach; always has been, always will be. He turned Colorado State around, and his overall Florida record was pretty good. Hammock looks like he has similar potential.

Our coaching staff just isn’t at that level, and I don’t know if it ever will be considering what we pay. What I’m saying is this: When we have to find a new coach, are we going to “open the bank” for someone like McElwain? Doubtful. In college football coaching, you usually get what you pay for.

That's the best comment I've ever seen on this board! I didn’t want to go there, but since you did, if Mcelwain or Hammock would've been the E Michigan coach both starting in 2018, when they both took over C Mich and N Illinois, would E Michigan won more then 7 games this season.........The answer is in my opinion YES! I simply want CC to take us to that level!!!!!!! We beat C Mich before Mcelwain, but we're 0-3 against him! Moorehead is taken over the worst MAC program next season, let's see what he does.............

That’s the easiest question to answer in reference to McElwains record if he were at EMU: We would be MAC champs. All MAC teams get the 2-3 star recruits. There are exceptions where a player becomes a difference make: Pimpleton (3 star), Nichols (3 star), Roback (4 star)and Crosby (2 star).
The coach must implement the scheme to win. Once you win, then the players start flocking in. I bet CMU will add some great talent thru the transfer portal this off season! Why? Because players know that McElwain wins games and everyone wants to play for a championship.

Do you think any recruits believe Creighton can win a championship at this level? If they did, their confidence is being lowered by each 0.500 season. The 0.500 season works for a couple of seasons as you build your program. Creighton is effectively telling New transfers and prospective recruits “Come play for me at EMU” and we’ll finish 0.500 and lose our bowl game next season.

I love Creighton but he may have missed his window.

Frank Solich never won the MAC

I can't believe you're comparing CC to Solich'! CC is below .500 in the MAC!, and 20 games ballpark overall below .500 record. Solich was 30 plus games over .500 in MAC games, and Solich won ballpark 115-120 games over 17 seasons at Ohio U, and 4 MAC East championships! He averaged almost 7 wins A season over his time at Ohio U! CC, isn't in the same hemisphere! And, Ohio U was abysmal before Solich as well! We'll just want to CC to win 8 games, and compete for A MAC championship! He's rewarded for going to a bowl game.........I just think after almost a decade the expectations need to be raised for an extension!

(01-03-2022 05:19 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 02:17 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 01:31 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:28 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 11:41 PM)holybovine Wrote:  He’s a great coach; always has been, always will be. He turned Colorado State around, and his overall Florida record was pretty good. Hammock looks like he has similar potential.

Our coaching staff just isn’t at that level, and I don’t know if it ever will be considering what we pay. What I’m saying is this: When we have to find a new coach, are we going to “open the bank” for someone like McElwain? Doubtful. In college football coaching, you usually get what you pay for.

That's the best comment I've ever seen on this board! I didn’t want to go there, but since you did, if Mcelwain or Hammock would've been the E Michigan coach both starting in 2018, when they both took over C Mich and N Illinois, would E Michigan won more then 7 games this season.........The answer is in my opinion YES! I simply want CC to take us to that level!!!!!!! We beat C Mich before Mcelwain, but we're 0-3 against him! Moorehead is taken over the worst MAC program next season, let's see what he does.............

That’s the easiest question to answer in reference to McElwains record if he were at EMU: We would be MAC champs. All MAC teams get the 2-3 star recruits. There are exceptions where a player becomes a difference make: Pimpleton (3 star), Nichols (3 star), Roback (4 star)and Crosby (2 star).
The coach must implement the scheme to win. Once you win, then the players start flocking in. I bet CMU will add some great talent thru the transfer portal this off season! Why? Because players know that McElwain wins games and everyone wants to play for a championship.

Do you think any recruits believe Creighton can win a championship at this level? If they did, their confidence is being lowered by each 0.500 season. The 0.500 season works for a couple of seasons as you build your program. Creighton is effectively telling New transfers and prospective recruits “Come play for me at EMU” and we’ll finish 0.500 and lose our bowl game next season.

I love Creighton but he may have missed his window.

Frank Solich never won the MAC

I can't believe you're comparing CC to Solich'! CC is below .500 in the MAC!, and 20 games ballpark overall below .500 record. Solich was 30 plus games over .500 in MAC games, and Solich won ballpark 115-120 games over 17 seasons at Ohio U, and 4 MAC East championships! He averaged almost 7 wins A season over his time at Ohio U! CC, isn't in the same hemisphere! And, Ohio U was abysmal before Solich as well! We'll just want to CC to win 8 games, and compete for A MAC championship! He's rewarded for going to a bowl game.........I just think after almost a decade the expectations need to be raised for an extension!

Excluding the first two seasons - CC has a 21-25 conference record

(01-03-2022 05:19 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 02:17 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 01:31 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:28 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 11:41 PM)holybovine Wrote:  He’s a great coach; always has been, always will be. He turned Colorado State around, and his overall Florida record was pretty good. Hammock looks like he has similar potential.

Our coaching staff just isn’t at that level, and I don’t know if it ever will be considering what we pay. What I’m saying is this: When we have to find a new coach, are we going to “open the bank” for someone like McElwain? Doubtful. In college football coaching, you usually get what you pay for.

That's the best comment I've ever seen on this board! I didn’t want to go there, but since you did, if Mcelwain or Hammock would've been the E Michigan coach both starting in 2018, when they both took over C Mich and N Illinois, would E Michigan won more then 7 games this season.........The answer is in my opinion YES! I simply want CC to take us to that level!!!!!!! We beat C Mich before Mcelwain, but we're 0-3 against him! Moorehead is taken over the worst MAC program next season, let's see what he does.............

That’s the easiest question to answer in reference to McElwains record if he were at EMU: We would be MAC champs. All MAC teams get the 2-3 star recruits. There are exceptions where a player becomes a difference make: Pimpleton (3 star), Nichols (3 star), Roback (4 star)and Crosby (2 star).
The coach must implement the scheme to win. Once you win, then the players start flocking in. I bet CMU will add some great talent thru the transfer portal this off season! Why? Because players know that McElwain wins games and everyone wants to play for a championship.

Do you think any recruits believe Creighton can win a championship at this level? If they did, their confidence is being lowered by each 0.500 season. The 0.500 season works for a couple of seasons as you build your program. Creighton is effectively telling New transfers and prospective recruits “Come play for me at EMU” and we’ll finish 0.500 and lose our bowl game next season.

I love Creighton but he may have missed his window.

Frank Solich never won the MAC

I can't believe you're comparing CC to Solich'! CC is below .500 in the MAC!, and 20 games ballpark overall below .500 record. Solich was 30 plus games over .500 in MAC games, and Solich won ballpark 115-120 games over 17 seasons at Ohio U, and 4 MAC East championships! He averaged almost 7 wins A season over his time at Ohio U! CC, isn't in the same hemisphere! And, Ohio U was abysmal before Solich as well! We'll just want to CC to win 8 games, and compete for A MAC championship! He's rewarded for going to a bowl game.........I just think after almost a decade the expectations need to be raised for an extension!

Agree - I’m not asking for CC to be dismissed but Scott needs to set higher expectations for CC.

TE OLB Caden Vanden Berge received PWO offer. Nice size on this guy.

https://football.thedzone.com/players/ca...nden-berge

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11431950/Caden-Vandenberge

(01-03-2022 09:31 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 07:14 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 02:29 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 12:28 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 12:16 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  May was incredible at New Philadelphia High school, he's a true dual threat QB! Regardless, how does CC not have a pulse on HIS program in year NINE that this was a possibility! I understand why Hutchinson wanted to leave, he saw the handwriting on the wall, but Bryant obviously was only hoping to play at the MAC level for ONE season! Next season we've a much more challenging schedule!

Hoping we give May and Smith a shot at it and we do t bring in a portal QB. We will end up in the same situation we are in now. I'm big on Baron and think he can win the battle and we would be set at that position for years to come. I know he doesn't have a ton of experience but most of what CC calls offensively is short routes and doesn't seem too complicated. He will also be in his 3rd yr at EMU which should make him ready.

i think its a pretty big stretch to say that CC doesnt have a pulse of his program - we have no idea what he knows or when he knew it

Do you think Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, Jim Harbaugh, or Ryan Day would know if their two top QB were considering transferring out..........ANSWER IS YES! On the MAC level, I think they might have some idea! Obviously, I don't have any idea, but have you ever heard on the D1 level, a coach having his two top QB transferring out! If Murphy lost his two top players, alot of people on this board would see it very differently! CC, is very similar to Murphy win loss wise! Actually, he's probably worse, but he gets a hall pass, and an extension for winning 7 games! We'll be lucky to win 7 games with next years schedule! I sure hope I'm wrong..........We've to stop making excuses for CC almost a decade in.........

Day had a player quit the team in the middle of the Akron game, and another announce he had quit on Twitter during the Rose Bowl, each with rather unflattering Tweets about their disappointment with the team. If these players were that upset with the program, don't you think Day should have known and addressed it before the proverbial pimples popped?

The fact is the current portal arrangement has emboldened players and allows them to make decisions on the spur of the moment. Head football coaches have over 100 players to deal with. It seems unreasonable to expect they will know what is going on in the heads of each of them all the time.

GREAT FREAKING POST!

Sadly I'm more confident that Moorhead will have Akron closer to a MAC title in 2-3 seasons than I am about CC and EMU.

(01-03-2022 02:19 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Me thinks too many here are too willing to give all the credit to McElwain and Hammock because of one good season. Let's see what they do next year. Do you remember Fleck at Western when he had an unbeaten team and went to the Cotton Bowl? Everyone was ga-ga over Western who was going to dominate the MAC for years to come. I think the next year Western was 8-5. Not a bad record, but not the world beater people were predicting.
So, let's just wait until next year, and see what happens.

Come on Ken. McElwain has been good for a long time. You might not like how he does it, but there’s no question about his ability.

I agree the jury is out on Hammock, but he looks beyond promising.

(01-03-2022 03:49 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:33 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 03:32 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 02:48 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  I believe in CC and think he can get us there. I absolutely agree that hes done a great job of getting us to be competitive which was tough to do. The focus has to now be on attacking the Portal and getting the best recruits he can to get us over the hill and in the top tier. I am fascinated with McElwain because Bonamego left CMU in shambles and McElwain has turned them completely around. How is he doing that there and we are struggling to get to the top with them?

IMAGINE HOW FUN THIS WOULD ALL BE IF WE WERE AN 8 OR 9 WIN PROGRAM. CC can do this with personnel changes and the right portal/recruits.

Steve,

I’m one of the biggest CC supporters at EMU. If I don’t believe, then not many (especially recruits) will believe they can win a championship. This will be year 9

frank solich never won the mac

How many divisional titles? How many times did he play for a MACC in 9 years?

4 division titles in 16 years

That’s pretty good.

(01-03-2022 07:40 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  Sadly I'm more confident that Moorhead will have Akron closer to a MAC title in 2-3 seasons than I am about CC and EMU.

You said it. I’d bet everything I own on Akron getting to a MAC title game before we do.

(01-03-2022 04:47 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  FYI, regardles of whether I or anyone else on this board thinks, our recruits still think Creighton can win a MAC championship. Don't take my word for it, here is what new signed Joshua Anderson said:

"When I get up there, I just want to whatever it takes to win, and continue to improve. I mean, the ultimate goal would be to win a national championship, and I don’t see why you can’t do that at Eastern Michigan. I don’t think there’s any reason why, in my 4-5 years there, we can’t do what Cincinnati’s doing this year or even better.”

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/e...ss-commits

I love it. Those are the kinds of recruits we need to get us to the top tier. In the last couple years, our recruits have been better than we have seen say 6 or 7 yrs ago. It was rare we ever got guys who had p5 offers and now it's more common than not. Cid, can confirm but I believe Alex had p5 offers and knowing that EMU was getting better and competitive likely helped bring Alex to EMU. It would be my dream if CC got us over the hump and we started getting more G5 national pub. We can do this!!!!

(01-03-2022 07:58 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 02:19 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Me thinks too many here are too willing to give all the credit to McElwain and Hammock because of one good season. Let's see what they do next year. Do you remember Fleck at Western when he had an unbeaten team and went to the Cotton Bowl? Everyone was ga-ga over Western who was going to dominate the MAC for years to come. I think the next year Western was 8-5. Not a bad record, but not the world beater people were predicting.
So, let's just wait until next year, and see what happens.

Come on Ken. McElwain has been good for a long time. You might not like how he does it, but there’s no question about his ability.

I agree the jury is out on Hammock, but he looks beyond promising.

With respect to you, since I really enjoy your insight, and posts, but Mcelwain has had 3 good years at C Michigan! A MAC championship, A big bowl win, and a long history of success, and Hammock I agree with just one season, but N Illinois is young and very talented, and heading in the right direction! And, I agree with Eaglehawk, I see Moorehead having Akron extremely competitive in 2-3 seasons!

(01-03-2022 08:55 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 07:58 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 02:19 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Me thinks too many here are too willing to give all the credit to McElwain and Hammock because of one good season. Let's see what they do next year. Do you remember Fleck at Western when he had an unbeaten team and went to the Cotton Bowl? Everyone was ga-ga over Western who was going to dominate the MAC for years to come. I think the next year Western was 8-5. Not a bad record, but not the world beater people were predicting.
So, let's just wait until next year, and see what happens.

Come on Ken. McElwain has been good for a long time. You might not like how he does it, but there’s no question about his ability.

I agree the jury is out on Hammock, but he looks beyond promising.

With respect to you, since I really enjoy your insight, and posts, but Mcelwain has had 3 good years at C Michigan! A MAC championship, A big bowl win, and a long history of success, and Hammock I agree with just one season, but N Illinois is young and very talented, and heading in the right direction! And, I agree with Eaglehawk, I see Moorehead having Akron extremely competitive in 2-3 seasons!

Agreed. And although Hammock is still without a sustained track record, he just accomplished a feat that would be statue-worthy at EMU.

(01-03-2022 01:30 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Keep your eyes on Grant Wells. a QB from Marshall.

Gut feeling or more?

(01-04-2022 01:24 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 01:30 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Keep your eyes on Grant Wells. a QB from Marshall.

Gut feeling or more?

Going with my hunch not my lunch.

(01-04-2022 01:24 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 01:30 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Keep your eyes on Grant Wells. a QB from Marshall.

Gut feeling or more?

It is no secret whom the staff is looking at. Just look at the Twitter follows of key individuals in the EMU FB program.

They are following a number of transfer QBs.

As far as Grant Wells, an Internet search hasn't yielded any indication where he wants to transfer too.

He was very successful at Marshall and has a lot of eligibility left. Assume he will be in demand.

(01-03-2022 08:10 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 04:47 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  FYI, regardles of whether I or anyone else on this board thinks, our recruits still think Creighton can win a MAC championship. Don't take my word for it, here is what new signed Joshua Anderson said:

"When I get up there, I just want to whatever it takes to win, and continue to improve. I mean, the ultimate goal would be to win a national championship, and I don’t see why you can’t do that at Eastern Michigan. I don’t think there’s any reason why, in my 4-5 years there, we can’t do what Cincinnati’s doing this year or even better.”

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/e...ss-commits

I love it. Those are the kinds of recruits we need to get us to the top tier. In the last couple years, our recruits have been better than we have seen say 6 or 7 yrs ago. It was rare we ever got guys who had p5 offers and now it's more common than not. Cid, can confirm but I believe Alex had p5 offers and knowing that EMU was getting better and competitive likely helped bring Alex to EMU. It would be my dream if CC got us over the hump and we started getting more G5 national pub. We can do this!!!!

whoa whoa - this is a board for blow hards who wildly speculate about how players feel - not for actual recruits and their quotes of their actual feelings and thoughts.

(01-03-2022 08:10 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 04:47 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  FYI, regardles of whether I or anyone else on this board thinks, our recruits still think Creighton can win a MAC championship. Don't take my word for it, here is what new signed Joshua Anderson said:

"When I get up there, I just want to whatever it takes to win, and continue to improve. I mean, the ultimate goal would be to win a national championship, and I don’t see why you can’t do that at Eastern Michigan. I don’t think there’s any reason why, in my 4-5 years there, we can’t do what Cincinnati’s doing this year or even better.”

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/e...ss-commits

I love it. Those are the kinds of recruits we need to get us to the top tier. In the last couple years, our recruits have been better than we have seen say 6 or 7 yrs ago. It was rare we ever got guys who had p5 offers and now it's more common than not. Cid, can confirm but I believe Alex had p5 offers and knowing that EMU was getting better and competitive likely helped bring Alex to EMU. It would be my dream if CC got us over the hump and we started getting more G5 national pub. We can do this!!!!

To close the loop on this, Alex's official visits were to Washinton State, Air Force, and EMU. He had a Preferred Walk-On offer from U of M, and was on the board at Michigan State with one other guy until Dantonio overrode his O-Line Coach and told him to take the other guy for the last O-Line opening.

(01-04-2022 07:56 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 08:10 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 04:47 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  FYI, regardles of whether I or anyone else on this board thinks, our recruits still think Creighton can win a MAC championship. Don't take my word for it, here is what new signed Joshua Anderson said:

"When I get up there, I just want to whatever it takes to win, and continue to improve. I mean, the ultimate goal would be to win a national championship, and I don’t see why you can’t do that at Eastern Michigan. I don’t think there’s any reason why, in my 4-5 years there, we can’t do what Cincinnati’s doing this year or even better.”

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/e...ss-commits

I love it. Those are the kinds of recruits we need to get us to the top tier. In the last couple years, our recruits have been better than we have seen say 6 or 7 yrs ago. It was rare we ever got guys who had p5 offers and now it's more common than not. Cid, can confirm but I believe Alex had p5 offers and knowing that EMU was getting better and competitive likely helped bring Alex to EMU. It would be my dream if CC got us over the hump and we started getting more G5 national pub. We can do this!!!!

To close the loop on this, Alex's official visits were to Washinton State, Air Force, and EMU. He had a Preferred Walk-On offer from U of M, and was on the board at Michigan State with one other guy until Dantonio overrode his O-Line Coach and told him to take the other guy for the last O-Line opening.

if he went to WAZZU he'd be on his third head coach

(01-04-2022 08:01 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 07:56 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 08:10 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 04:47 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  FYI, regardles of whether I or anyone else on this board thinks, our recruits still think Creighton can win a MAC championship. Don't take my word for it, here is what new signed Joshua Anderson said:

"When I get up there, I just want to whatever it takes to win, and continue to improve. I mean, the ultimate goal would be to win a national championship, and I don’t see why you can’t do that at Eastern Michigan. I don’t think there’s any reason why, in my 4-5 years there, we can’t do what Cincinnati’s doing this year or even better.”

https://ypsilantieleven.substack.com/p/e...ss-commits

I love it. Those are the kinds of recruits we need to get us to the top tier. In the last couple years, our recruits have been better than we have seen say 6 or 7 yrs ago. It was rare we ever got guys who had p5 offers and now it's more common than not. Cid, can confirm but I believe Alex had p5 offers and knowing that EMU was getting better and competitive likely helped bring Alex to EMU. It would be my dream if CC got us over the hump and we started getting more G5 national pub. We can do this!!!!

To close the loop on this, Alex's official visits were to Washinton State, Air Force, and EMU. He had a Preferred Walk-On offer from U of M, and was on the board at Michigan State with one other guy until Dantonio overrode his O-Line Coach and told him to take the other guy for the last O-Line opening.

if he went to WAZZU he'd be on his third head coach

Yeah. I've mentioned here before that it came down to the coaches for Alex, and while Mike Leach had the reputation, Alex felt CC was a much better fit for him. I think the fact that he would be close to home was also a difference maker.