(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:55 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I'm proud to be a Bowling Green fan today. This was the right decision. It may well save lives. Glad to see the MAC lead by example. I hope the rest of FBS will soon follow. College football just isn't safe right now.

Might as well ban football as it would save lives even without Covid.

Before this season, the only lives at risk were those of the people on the field. In this pandemic, playing college football also puts at risk the lives of our parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors.

Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:55 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I'm proud to be a Bowling Green fan today. This was the right decision. It may well save lives. Glad to see the MAC lead by example. I hope the rest of FBS will soon follow. College football just isn't safe right now.

Might as well ban football as it would save lives even without Covid.

Before this season, the only lives at risk were those of the people on the field. In this pandemic, playing college football also puts at risk the lives of our parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors.

Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction of staff and admin, under strict oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer (and in fact probably less safe) with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Might as well ban football as it would save lives even without Covid.

Before this season, the only lives at risk were those of the people on the field. In this pandemic, playing college football also puts at risk the lives of our parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors.

Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction, oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

I don't actually disagree with this. But..

I have posed this question a couple of places and have not gotten a real response. The reality is, putting aside debate and politics and even logic..

The NCAA and conferences have committed to following public health guidelines and mandates. In truth, of course, they didn't really have an option. Given that, as we see in MLB, there is no way teams will be able to keep playing given an outbreak. As we have seen in the preseason, outbreaks have and will continue to happen. And that's before we even get into liability.

Again, this is not about my or your opinion of how dangerous the virus is or if we're overreacting as a country. It's just the reality right now.

Given those truths.. How is anyone supposed to realistically get through a football season?

(08-10-2020 10:37 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Before this season, the only lives at risk were those of the people on the field. In this pandemic, playing college football also puts at risk the lives of our parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors.

Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction, oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

I don't actually disagree with this. But..

I have posed this question a couple of places and have not gotten a real response. The reality is, putting aside debate and politics and even logic..

The NCAA and conferences have committed to following public health guidelines and mandates. In truth, of course, they didn't really have an option. Given that, as we see in MLB, there is no way teams will be able to keep playing given an outbreak. As we have seen in the preseason, outbreaks have and will continue to happen. And that's before we even get into liability.

Again, this is not about my or your opinion of how dangerous the virus is or if we're overreacting as a country. It's just the reality right now.

Given those truths.. How is anyone supposed to realistically get through a football season?

Team sports can function inside a bubble (or at the very least a highly controlled system). It's been proven with soccer, NBA, NHL, etc. Baseball is your hybrid and they've stumbled out of the block, time will tell if they can get it together or not. For CFB, a bubble isn't realistic, as the best case scenario, you could create an on-campus bubble for the team, but all the teams won't be in the same location, so there is still travel involved. That's before you even get into the whole amateur vs. professional issues with putting them in a bubble. As you stated, I don't think there is really any way for CFB to make it work when all the factors are considered. As you said, not devolving into the politics or debate on COVID itself, there is just no real way for a college (most of which are publicly funded institutions) to take on the logistics, additional costs, potential liability, and everything else to try to make this work, especially with the bad optics if something goes wrong.

My point is more along the lines of those who are actually buying into the concern for player safety being the main driving force. This is a financially driven business decision without a doubt. It was easy for the MAC to go first. We all run in the red to begin with, now you lose all the guarantees, any revenue from home games, AND you have to absorb all the additional costs of testing, oversight, travel, etc.? P5 may take longer to get there, since they have bigger budgets and more revenue on the line, so their math isn't as quick of a no-brainer as it was for us. The "safety" line is simply a better spin than saying "we think we're going to lose too much money so we're not going to play" especially when it's public institutions running "amateur" athletics.

Big 10 will be the next one to cancel. Then it's all over.

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Might as well ban football as it would save lives even without Covid.

Before this season, the only lives at risk were those of the people on the field. In this pandemic, playing college football also puts at risk the lives of our parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors.

Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction of staff and admin, under strict oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer (and in fact probably less safe) with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

Football is inherently unsafe right now. A hundred players in the same locker room breathing heavily? Players blocking and tackling each other for three and a half hours?

Plus, all programs are at the mercy of their opponents to also try to maintain standards. One of the first games on Bowling Green's schedule was Liberty, which seems to have taken this virus less seriously than just about any other university in FBS.

The only thing athletic departments can truly control is whether they create new vectors for this disease. The MAC has decided not to create new vectors. I'm glad to see that the Big Ten appears to be following our lead. I expect other conferences will soon follow.

(08-10-2020 11:07 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 09:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Before this season, the only lives at risk were those of the people on the field. In this pandemic, playing college football also puts at risk the lives of our parents, grandparents, friends, and neighbors.

Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction of staff and admin, under strict oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer (and in fact probably less safe) with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

Football is inherently unsafe right now. A hundred players in the same locker room breathing heavily? Players blocking and tackling each other for three and a half hours?

Plus, all programs are at the mercy of their opponents to also try to maintain standards. One of the first games on Bowling Green's schedule was Liberty, seems to have taken this virus less seriously than just about any other university in FBS.

The only thing athletic departments can truly control is whether they create new vectors for this disease. The MAC has decided not to create new vectors. I'm glad to see that the Big Ten appears to be following our lead. I expect other conferences will soon follow.

We can stop with the "Following our lead/example" lines. Guys, the MAC isn't some altruistic entity that made some very difficult decision in an act of selflessness for the greater good. We're collectively the least profitable football programs in the country, who just had their revenue cut by 90% and their expenses double, if they were to choose to forge ahead with a season. Boy, what a difficult decision to make. Just because we were the first to decide, doesn't mean we were setting an example or anyone after is following our lead. Our hand was pretty much forced as soon as the guarantee games went away.

(08-10-2020 11:15 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:07 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:12 AM)eich41 Wrote:  Only if they were to go visit those people in person without getting tested and/or going into a 14 day quarantine before.

If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction of staff and admin, under strict oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer (and in fact probably less safe) with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

Football is inherently unsafe right now. A hundred players in the same locker room breathing heavily? Players blocking and tackling each other for three and a half hours?

Plus, all programs are at the mercy of their opponents to also try to maintain standards. One of the first games on Bowling Green's schedule was Liberty, seems to have taken this virus less seriously than just about any other university in FBS.

The only thing athletic departments can truly control is whether they create new vectors for this disease. The MAC has decided not to create new vectors. I'm glad to see that the Big Ten appears to be following our lead. I expect other conferences will soon follow.

We can stop with the "Following our lead/example" lines. Guys, the MAC isn't some altruistic entity that made some very difficult decision in an act of selflessness for the greater good. We're collectively the least profitable football programs in the country, who just had their revenue cut by 90% and their expenses double, if they were to choose to forge ahead with a season. Boy, what a difficult decision to make. Just because we were the first to decide, doesn't mean we were setting an example or anyone after is following our lead. Our hand was pretty much forced as soon as the guarantee games went away.

If you're a MAC fan, you need to take national accolades whenever and wherever you can get them.

(08-10-2020 11:06 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Big 10 will be the next one to cancel. Then it's all over.

Yep. Announcement tomorrow but it's already been leaked. The Big 10 has cancelled for the Fall 2020.
Now the MAC star players can stay put as there won't be any greener pastures by the end of this week. No one will be playing.

(08-10-2020 11:20 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:15 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:07 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:29 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  If Major League Baseball with all its resources can't keep its paid professionals safe from COVID, I don't see how we can reasonably expect college football coaches to keep their unpaid amateur student athletes away from this virus. If football is played this fall, some teams will become vectors and pass this dangerous disease to others.

If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction of staff and admin, under strict oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer (and in fact probably less safe) with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

Football is inherently unsafe right now. A hundred players in the same locker room breathing heavily? Players blocking and tackling each other for three and a half hours?

Plus, all programs are at the mercy of their opponents to also try to maintain standards. One of the first games on Bowling Green's schedule was Liberty, seems to have taken this virus less seriously than just about any other university in FBS.

The only thing athletic departments can truly control is whether they create new vectors for this disease. The MAC has decided not to create new vectors. I'm glad to see that the Big Ten appears to be following our lead. I expect other conferences will soon follow.

We can stop with the "Following our lead/example" lines. Guys, the MAC isn't some altruistic entity that made some very difficult decision in an act of selflessness for the greater good. We're collectively the least profitable football programs in the country, who just had their revenue cut by 90% and their expenses double, if they were to choose to forge ahead with a season. Boy, what a difficult decision to make. Just because we were the first to decide, doesn't mean we were setting an example or anyone after is following our lead. Our hand was pretty much forced as soon as the guarantee games went away.

If you're a MAC fan, you need to take national accolades whenever and wherever you can get them.

LOL point taken, although I'd argue this statement is more along the lines of self-appointed national accolades, so I'm not sure it qualifies.

(08-10-2020 11:22 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:20 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:15 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:07 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 10:32 AM)eich41 Wrote:  If your premise is that the players won't follow protocols and take proper precautions to prevent catching and/or spreading the virus while under the direction of staff and admin, under strict oversight, and in a rigid testing protocol, then I can assure you, they and their loved ones are not any safer (and in fact probably less safe) with them NOT playing football, because if they can't/won't take precautions in that scenario, then they certainly aren't doing so in their day-to-day lives outside of football either. Gotta use some logic here....

Football is inherently unsafe right now. A hundred players in the same locker room breathing heavily? Players blocking and tackling each other for three and a half hours?

Plus, all programs are at the mercy of their opponents to also try to maintain standards. One of the first games on Bowling Green's schedule was Liberty, seems to have taken this virus less seriously than just about any other university in FBS.

The only thing athletic departments can truly control is whether they create new vectors for this disease. The MAC has decided not to create new vectors. I'm glad to see that the Big Ten appears to be following our lead. I expect other conferences will soon follow.

We can stop with the "Following our lead/example" lines. Guys, the MAC isn't some altruistic entity that made some very difficult decision in an act of selflessness for the greater good. We're collectively the least profitable football programs in the country, who just had their revenue cut by 90% and their expenses double, if they were to choose to forge ahead with a season. Boy, what a difficult decision to make. Just because we were the first to decide, doesn't mean we were setting an example or anyone after is following our lead. Our hand was pretty much forced as soon as the guarantee games went away.

If you're a MAC fan, you need to take national accolades whenever and wherever you can get them.

LOL point taken, although I'd argue this statement is more along the lines of self-appointed national accolades, so I'm not sure it qualifies.

Does anyone have evidence that FB players and athletes in general are not still under fairly strict supervision? Campus will still have gathering limits, they will still workout, probably have limited practices, etc. I'm sure coaches will tell them to avoid parties and large crowds. The only difference is that they won't be swapping sweat on the fields with each other and 85 other people traveling from other areas.

And it's not just an athletic dept money decision. It's also based on campus health, community health, the ability to keep campus from going all on-line again ...

You can say the MAC made a financial decision, but the flip side is also true. Power 5 schools were only trying so hard to play because of the money at stake. In the safest world where money isn’t the driver, more schools would have canceled long ago. D2, D3, FCS were already done. Non-revenue sports? Done long ago. The MAC was not altruistic, exactly, but better to be first than last in this scenario. I’m proud the MAC saw the writing on the wall.

(08-10-2020 12:02 PM)MacLord Wrote:  You can say the MAC made a financial decision, but the flip side is also true. Power 5 schools were only trying so hard to play because of the money at stake.

This.

(08-10-2020 12:02 PM)MacLord Wrote:  You can say the MAC made a financial decision, but the flip side is also true. Power 5 schools were only trying so hard to play because of the money at stake. In the safest world where money isn’t the driver, more schools would have canceled long ago. D2, D3, FCS were already done. Non-revenue sports? Done long ago. The MAC was not altruistic, exactly, but better to be first than last in this scenario. I’m proud the MAC saw the writing on the wall.

Even the Ivy's decision to cancel was money related but in the other direction. They don't make much through athletics, nor do they need it with their endowments. It was much easier for them to make a truly health-based decision.

(08-10-2020 12:02 PM)MacLord Wrote:  You can say the MAC made a financial decision, but the flip side is also true. Power 5 schools were only trying so hard to play because of the money at stake. In the safest world where money isn’t the driver, more schools would have canceled long ago. D2, D3, FCS were already done. Non-revenue sports? Done long ago. The MAC was not altruistic, exactly, but better to be first than last in this scenario. I’m proud the MAC saw the writing on the wall.

Money is ALWAYS a big factor. No one would deny that. Maybe $ became LESS of an issue after B1G, SEC, etc. pared down their OOC games.

That said, there are pretty high ranking medical people who run are university presidents like UofM, NIU, etc. They saw what the numbers are showing and some of the ramifications of Covid. I posted an article from the Washington Post about the cardiovascular effects covid could have on athletes.

These university presidents hold a lot of sway with their fellow university presidents because of their medical expertise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Schlissel

https://www.niu.edu/president/about/index.shtml

(08-08-2020 10:32 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  There won't be any football this fall, anywhere. The domino effect continues...who's next? I bet the Sun Belt or the Mountain West.

And it's the Mountain West next to join the MAC in canceling fall 2020 sports as I called it.

Let it rain, if there's no MACtion, I don't want any type of college football to be played.

(08-10-2020 05:13 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 10:32 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  There won't be any football this fall, anywhere. The domino effect continues...who's next? I bet the Sun Belt or the Mountain West.

And it's the Mountain West next to join the MAC in canceling fall 2020 sports as I called it.

Let it rain, if there's no MACtion, I don't want any type of college football to be played.

I'd like one conference to try.

Seems like a big push tonight to play through from coaches, players to donors and sponsors. Putting the pressure on University Presidents.

(08-10-2020 06:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 05:13 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 10:32 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  There won't be any football this fall, anywhere. The domino effect continues...who's next? I bet the Sun Belt or the Mountain West.

And it's the Mountain West next to join the MAC in canceling fall 2020 sports as I called it.

Let it rain, if there's no MACtion, I don't want any type of college football to be played.

I'd like one conference to try.

It would be crazy to have say 9 months of CFB from September to say May.

The one thing which really is bad is what it does to the CFP national championship playoff which produces a lot of $, even for the MAC.

The MAC is taking a beating losing money from MBB tourney, FB road game guarantees, maybe CFP national championship monies which are split across conferences, etc.

BTW, March/April 2021 (MAYBE):

CFB, MBB/WBB, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS, etc. That's a pretty crowded sports schedule!!

(08-11-2020 06:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 06:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 05:13 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 10:32 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  There won't be any football this fall, anywhere. The domino effect continues...who's next? I bet the Sun Belt or the Mountain West.

And it's the Mountain West next to join the MAC in canceling fall 2020 sports as I called it.

Let it rain, if there's no MACtion, I don't want any type of college football to be played.

I'd like one conference to try.

It would be crazy to have say 9 months of CFB from September to say May.

The one thing which really is bad is what it does to the CFP national championship playoff which produces a lot of $, even for the MAC.

The MAC is taking a beating losing money from MBB tourney, FB road game guarantees, maybe CFP national championship monies which are split across conferences, etc.

BTW, March/April 2021 (MAYBE):

CFB, MBB/WBB, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS, etc. That's a pretty crowded sports schedule!!

what i am concerned about, how does the MAC come out of this financially? Very concerned we lose some programs or more