(06-24-2020 09:35 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Which hospitals are overwhelmed? No news in NC about that. NY was never overwhelmed even at its peak. That risk can be mitigated by a few easy measures.

I think we’re missing the Americans in the middle that wear masks in public places, take precautions to clean hands more frequently, social distance, and believe if others take these minimal steps we all can get back to visiting public places and gathering with social distancing measures.

If we don’t get kids back to school some students will be lost forever, some business/establishments will never return.

Like many things in life, if everyone acts responsibly and treat others with respect it will be a better place.

I said the risk is overwhelming the medical system not that it happened. but an example is Montgomery, Al. Last month they had an increase in covid admissions and had to send ICU patients to Birmingham. Texas Medical Center announced yesterday there ICU is at 97% capacity and Houston is currently surging.

Yes and I said there are better ways to mitigate that potential risk than full on lockdowns again. Hopefully we can agree on that.

(06-24-2020 09:49 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 09:35 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Which hospitals are overwhelmed? No news in NC about that. NY was never overwhelmed even at its peak. That risk can be mitigated by a few easy measures.

I think we’re missing the Americans in the middle that wear masks in public places, take precautions to clean hands more frequently, social distance, and believe if others take these minimal steps we all can get back to visiting public places and gathering with social distancing measures.

If we don’t get kids back to school some students will be lost forever, some business/establishments will never return.

Like many things in life, if everyone acts responsibly and treat others with respect it will be a better place.

I said the risk is overwhelming the medical system not that it happened. but an example is Montgomery, Al. Last month they had an increase in covid admissions and had to send ICU patients to Birmingham. Texas Medical Center announced yesterday there ICU is at 97% capacity and Houston is currently surging.

Did they ever actually send patients to BHM??? I thought they talked about it, but it never actually happened.

(06-24-2020 09:35 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Which hospitals are overwhelmed? No news in NC about that. NY was never overwhelmed even at its peak. That risk can be mitigated by a few easy measures.

I think we’re missing the Americans in the middle that wear masks in public places, take precautions to clean hands more frequently, social distance, and believe if others take these minimal steps we all can get back to visiting public places and gathering with social distancing measures.

If we don’t get kids back to school some students will be lost forever, some business/establishments will never return.

Like many things in life, if everyone acts responsibly and treat others with respect it will be a better place.

There are people in the middle, but they are unlikely to form any set group or set strategy. I consider myself in the middle. I live alone, and have several vulnerable family members though they live a few hours away. As a person, I recognize the importance of not allowing the virus to get out of control, but I also recognize that if I simply avoided prolonged contact with people I didn't live with like the CDC recommends during this, I'd end up in complete isolation and likely be battling my own mind. To find a compromise, I created my own bubble of about 10 people from two different families that I could hang out and do things with during this. Within that group we don't wear masks. But we also don't spend any significant period of time with anyone outside of our group outside of work and those require masks most anywhere anyways.

There are ways to operate during this safely to allow you to live some semblance of a normal life. Yes, the risk of infection for those is far higher than staying completely isolated, but our way is also unlikely to start any sort of major outbreak that's going to overwhelm a hospital system either. That's what is most important during this as it is.

(06-24-2020 09:25 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The reality of the situation is that we live in two different Americas right now.

One side of America sees the virus as a lurking threat, and is highly likely to stay home for large periods of time, wear masks constantly, and avoid crowds at all costs to avoid getting sick. They fear for their relatives and friends getting sick, and would rather not reopen the economy until the Virus is a fading threat. They are scared to death of sending their kids to school in the fall for fear that they'll get sick.

Another side of America either does not care about the virus, or sees it as a threat that is not equivalent to the economic risk of staying closed. They see masks as violating their freedom of expression. They are individualistic in nature, and while they care deeply about their family and friends, they are not likely to care if Joe Smith down the street contracts Covid. They are the type people who are threatening to pull their kids out of school in the Fall because they don't like the idea of them not having play time or being forced to sit 6 feet apart from all their friends without making contact.

I have 1 friend who has not left her house in 3 months now outside of trips to the doctor and grocery store. Her children have not left the house at all and have had no contact with their friends since March.

I have another friend who sent their preteen daughter on vacation with a friends family to Florida this week. Sure they are completely aware that there are risks involved, but the kid hadn't seen any of her friends in months and it was a risk they were willing to let her take.

I think both people have their points, and both are likely right. We are a nation of individuals. People shouldn't feel forced to go out, but if they want to go out and go somewhere with friends, they shouldn't be harassed for it either. There are ways to stop this, but they involve heavily policed lockdowns with full protections of its citizens. Simply put, there's no way to effectively do that in the United States.

the risk is overwhelming the medical system. the frustration for many is knowing that if people had been encourage to wear masks in public instead of being told its a hoax this thing would be far less serious right now.

The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

Got it, so wearing a mask is too much for you. Fine; I'm not making you do it. I will be doing so myself though. That's the "personal" part.

(06-25-2020 05:38 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

Got it, so wearing a mask is too much for you. Fine; I'm not making you do it. I will be doing so myself though. That's the "personal" part.

Go right ahead. You have every right to wear a mask and I’ll support your right to do so.

The problem I have is personal responsibility police popping off at the mouth telling everyone else how they interpret their behavior as being irresponsible.

Wear a mask and enjoy every minute of it. But don’t be the person acting like an ass at the grocery store trying to get into a physical altercation with the man or woman shopping for bananas without a mask on.

(06-24-2020 08:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The reality of the situation is that we live in two different Americas right now.

One side of America sees the virus as a lurking threat, and is highly likely to stay home for large periods of time, wear masks constantly, and avoid crowds at all costs to avoid getting sick. They fear for their relatives and friends getting sick, and would rather not reopen the economy until the Virus is a fading threat. They are scared to death of sending their kids to school in the fall for fear that they'll get sick.

Another side of America either does not care about the virus, or sees it as a threat that is not equivalent to the economic risk of staying closed. They see masks as violating their freedom of expression. They are individualistic in nature, and while they care deeply about their family and friends, they are not likely to care if Joe Smith down the street contracts Covid. They are the type people who are threatening to pull their kids out of school in the Fall because they don't like the idea of them not having play time or being forced to sit 6 feet apart from all their friends without making contact.

I have 1 friend who has not left her house in 3 months now outside of trips to the doctor and grocery store. Her children have not left the house at all and have had no contact with their friends since March.

I have another friend who sent their preteen daughter on vacation with a friends family to Florida this week. Sure they are completely aware that there are risks involved, but the kid hadn't seen any of her friends in months and it was a risk they were willing to let her take.

I think both people have their points, and both are likely right. We are a nation of individuals. People shouldn't feel forced to go out, but if they want to go out and go somewhere with friends, they shouldn't be harassed for it either. There are ways to stop this, but they involve heavily policed lockdowns with full protections of its citizens. Simply put, there's no way to effectively do that in the United States.

I kind of feel like the best course is somewhere in between these extremes. I tend to agree with the health officials who keep saying the same thing. Wear a mask. Avoid crowds. Social distance at all times. Arkansas was doing pretty well with that until recently. Seems folks decided when things were opening up they could go do things the old way. Of course a large portion of our cases are due to poultry processing plants and prisons/jails but community spread is up as well.

I personally have been afforded the luxury of working from home. So I will. No need in taking unneeded chances. My wife works for a dentist. She's back at work but they are taking all the precautions and using all the specified PPE. Seems like common sense it the right way to go.

(06-25-2020 07:08 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 05:38 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

Got it, so wearing a mask is too much for you. Fine; I'm not making you do it. I will be doing so myself though. That's the "personal" part.

Go right ahead. You have every right to wear a mask and I’ll support your right to do so.

The problem I have is personal responsibility police popping off at the mouth telling everyone else how they interpret their behavior as being irresponsible.

Wear a mask and enjoy every minute of it. But don’t be the person acting like an ass at the grocery store trying to get into a physical altercation with the man or woman shopping for bananas without a mask on.

It's typically the red hats that are the ones starting altercations when they're told they can't shop without a mask.

(06-25-2020 07:29 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 07:08 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 05:38 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

Got it, so wearing a mask is too much for you. Fine; I'm not making you do it. I will be doing so myself though. That's the "personal" part.

Go right ahead. You have every right to wear a mask and I’ll support your right to do so.

The problem I have is personal responsibility police popping off at the mouth telling everyone else how they interpret their behavior as being irresponsible.

Wear a mask and enjoy every minute of it. But don’t be the person acting like an ass at the grocery store trying to get into a physical altercation with the man or woman shopping for bananas without a mask on.

It's typically the red hats that are the ones starting altercations when they're told they can't shop without a mask.

It’s both. It’s the Trump zombies and the socialists. Unfortunately, those two camps make up 80% of American citizens these days.

There are plenty of examples out there of mask wearing vigilantes confronting people for not wearing masks.

If you want to wear a mask, do it. If you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t wear one. But mask wearers shouldn’t be out causing altercations by trying to enforce their own belief on others, and people not wearing masks shouldn’t be out trying to rip them off people who want to wear them.

If you don’t want to wear a mask, just don’t patronize a business that forces customers to do so. Send them an economic message with your wallet.

I don't believe those groups make up 80% of the US, I just can't believe that.

The media (especially social media) would make it seem that way. If the moderates would be more vocal and band together it would be much better for society, but the verbal and even sometimes physical violence moderate views receive from the extremes silences the rational middle ground.

How do you know the virus is being taken into the political world and is being politically motivated????

When every conversation about the virus becomes political!!!

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

It's not a complete change, it's a simple ask. Wear a little mask for 15 minutes when you go into Walmart to buy your Hungry Mans and then take it off when you leave the store. That's a much smaller burden than continuing on in isolation for an "at risk" individual.

You're acting like we're all being forced to wear burkas.

(06-25-2020 11:50 AM)HighCountry Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The CDC began recommending Face Masks in public in early April. Cases have continued to stay flat or rise during that period. The idea of masks involves everyone in an area wearing them. If not everyone does, than the chances of stopping yourself from getting it are low.

The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

It's not a complete change, it's a simple ask. Wear a little mask for 15 minutes when you go into Walmart to buy your Hungry Mans and then take it off when you leave the store. That's a much smaller burden than continuing on in isolation for an "at risk" individual.

You're acting like we're all being forced to wear burkas.

What country are you living in where wearing a mask is the only demand the government is forcing down our throats?

1. Wearing masks (but only if you have a certain skin color in some places)
2. Limiting capacity of business (like restaurants) thereby cutting their revenue potential in half which eliminates jobs and cuts pay for remaining workers.
3. Complete shut down orders
4. Revoking of access to tax payer funded places with no refund issued to us.
5. Revoking of services that us tax payers paid for (like school for our children) with no refund given to us.
6. Devaluing of our currency due to taking on MASSIVE debt as a country that we will never be able to service. Completely screwing my generation and my children’s generation.
7. Complete destruction of the economy.

Those are just some of the things off the top of my head that have taken place all because old people and sick people won’t take the “personal responsibility” to stay home.

So now everyone suffers.

(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don't believe those groups make up 80% of the US, I just can't believe that.

The media (especially social media) would make it seem that way. If the moderates would be more vocal and band together it would be much better for society, but the verbal and even sometimes physical violence moderate views receive from the extremes silences the rational middle ground.

Bingo. Frequency bias at play.

(06-25-2020 12:48 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  What country are you living in where wearing a mask is the only demand the government is forcing down our throats?

1. Wearing masks (but only if you have a certain skin color in some places)

What does skin color have to do with wearing a mask? Genuine question

2. Limiting capacity of business (like restaurants) thereby cutting their revenue potential in half which eliminates jobs and cuts pay for remaining workers.

Limits the amount of people in a small space, justified IMO

3. Complete shut down orders

These were pretty extreme in some places yes

4. Revoking of access to tax payer funded places with no refund issued to us.

Agreed

5. Revoking of services that us tax payers paid for (like school for our children) with no refund given to us.

Agreed

6. Devaluing of our currency due to taking on MASSIVE debt as a country that we will never be able to service. Completely screwing my generation and my children’s generation.

I haven’t looked into this much, but most people my age (young millennials/the oldest of Gen Z) thought we were screwed before any of this started anyway

7. Complete destruction of the economy.

We’ll see how we turn out after all this, but this could be likely

Those are just some of the things off the top of my head that have taken place all because old people and sick people won’t take the “personal responsibility” to stay home.

So now everyone suffers.

(06-25-2020 01:33 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 12:48 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 11:50 AM)HighCountry Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:51 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  The idea of me wearing a mask involves minimizing my own risk of passing it on to others if I happen to be infected. I call it taking "personal responsibility."

You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

It's not a complete change, it's a simple ask. Wear a little mask for 15 minutes when you go into Walmart to buy your Hungry Mans and then take it off when you leave the store. That's a much smaller burden than continuing on in isolation for an "at risk" individual.

You're acting like we're all being forced to wear burkas.

What country are you living in where wearing a mask is the only demand the government is forcing down our throats?

1. Wearing masks (but only if you have a certain skin color in some places)

What does skin color have to do with wearing a mask? Genuine question

2. Limiting capacity of business (like restaurants) thereby cutting their revenue potential in half which eliminates jobs and cuts pay for remaining workers.

Limits the amount of people in a small space, justified IMO

3. Complete shut down orders

These were pretty extreme in some places yes

4. Revoking of access to tax payer funded places with no refund issued to us.

Agreed

5. Revoking of services that us tax payers paid for (like school for our children) with no refund given to us.

Agreed

6. Devaluing of our currency due to taking on MASSIVE debt as a country that we will never be able to service. Completely screwing my generation and my children’s generation.

I haven’t looked into this much, but most people my age (young millennials/the oldest of Gen Z) thought we were screwed before any of this started anyway

7. Complete destruction of the economy.

We’ll see how we turn out after all this, but this could be likely

Those are just some of the things off the top of my head that have taken place all because old people and sick people won’t take the “personal responsibility” to stay home.

So now everyone suffers.

To answer your skin color question, see link below. Apparently some places (specifically in Oregon) are requiring all white people to wear masks, but if you are not white, you don’t have to. The supposed reason is that “people of color” have reason to fear wearing face coverings.

So basically they’re telling their white citizens they must cover their face but no one else has to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/...eople/amp/

(06-25-2020 01:37 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 01:33 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 12:48 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 11:50 AM)HighCountry Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:50 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  You know what I call “personal responsibility”?

Recognizing that if you fall into a “vulnerable group” (Old people and the sick) that you should stay home instead of insisting that the rest of society completely change just so you can continue going out.

Maybe the EXTREME minority of people at high risk of actually dying from this thing should lock themselves down at home on their own volition out of a sense of “personal responsibility” instead of casting their economy destroying burdens on the rest of Americans that need to work to live.

Funny how we want to talk about “personal responsibility” only if it means that people are doing exactly what we want them to do. Sounds a whole lot more like tyranny to me.

It's not a complete change, it's a simple ask. Wear a little mask for 15 minutes when you go into Walmart to buy your Hungry Mans and then take it off when you leave the store. That's a much smaller burden than continuing on in isolation for an "at risk" individual.

You're acting like we're all being forced to wear burkas.

What country are you living in where wearing a mask is the only demand the government is forcing down our throats?

1. Wearing masks (but only if you have a certain skin color in some places)

What does skin color have to do with wearing a mask? Genuine question

2. Limiting capacity of business (like restaurants) thereby cutting their revenue potential in half which eliminates jobs and cuts pay for remaining workers.

Limits the amount of people in a small space, justified IMO

3. Complete shut down orders

These were pretty extreme in some places yes

4. Revoking of access to tax payer funded places with no refund issued to us.

Agreed

5. Revoking of services that us tax payers paid for (like school for our children) with no refund given to us.

Agreed

6. Devaluing of our currency due to taking on MASSIVE debt as a country that we will never be able to service. Completely screwing my generation and my children’s generation.

I haven’t looked into this much, but most people my age (young millennials/the oldest of Gen Z) thought we were screwed before any of this started anyway

7. Complete destruction of the economy.

We’ll see how we turn out after all this, but this could be likely

Those are just some of the things off the top of my head that have taken place all because old people and sick people won’t take the “personal responsibility” to stay home.

So now everyone suffers.

To answer your skin color question, see link below. Apparently some places (specifically in Oregon) are requiring all white people to wear masks, but if you are not white, you don’t have to. The supposed reason is that “people of color” have reason to fear wearing face coverings.

So basically they’re telling their white citizens they must cover their face but no one else has to.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/...eople/amp/

Which is illegal. Making once race do something, while the other doesn't have to. Apparently, they think people are so stupid that if someone is out, and they see absolutely everyone wearing a mask, and notice someone of color wearing a mask like they are supposed to, that they will think that person is trying to rob the place and might do something to harm them.