(06-01-2020 07:06 PM)Rice93 Wrote: (06-01-2020 06:14 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: As an aside, are we clear that there were not 4 cops sitting on him? I mean, with the way you have mangled everything else, then rely upon a Twitter thread as proof of cause of death, I really want to make sure.
Sure... there were more than one but less than four cops sitting on him. Not sure that is germane to the overall discussion but I admit that my "4 cops sitting on him" was not accurate.
I didn't use it as "proof as cause of death"... where did I identify the cause of death? I used the expert on twitter to provide background on that original statement that came out a few days ago. The statement that you took to cast doubt as to whether George Floyd was actually killed by the police officers.
Funny, you still are clueless that the 'exert on Twitter' was wrong. That is my point entirely. I simply waited for the real examination. Facts. Not Twitter roll garbage.
I am not taking *any* statement to cast doubt. What the hell is so frigging hard to understand about 'waiting for the official COD before I leap to stunning conclusions' --- like you did? Or is the religion on the cause of death so friggin ingrained into you that you dont care what a pathologist says -- with all due respect you have already said something akin to that, so why?
I fail to see any germane role that your Dr twitter has in the issue -- that is aside from you pulling out a Twitter feed with nothing but supposition at the time, *and* ends up being fundamentally wrong in its assessment.
But, I guess it made you feel good to do that. Different strokes, I guess....
This entire episode has been me saying, I am waiting to see what the hell the official COD is; then you going bonkers that I have the temerity to do that, that I dont see how obvious that your view is. Then you pull out some bull**** Twitter garbage that says 'its obvious it was asphyxia' to somehow prove your point.
Hate to tell you, the dude died from a heart attack. Not asphyxia like your Dr Twitter Expert in a Can said. You know, the one you pulled out to somehow *prove* that waiting for an expert opinion that had actual access to the body (instead of some *ahem* non-professional know it all opinion on a message board) was oh-so incorrect.
Well we got the official statement, didnt we? So please do tell, how is it so amazingly obvious that the knee caused a heart attack? The heart attack doesnt surprise me -- Floyd was exhibiting signs of that during his initial detention. It looks like he could very well have been having that *as* he was being led from his car to the patrol car, based on the witnesses.
And no, this doesnt excuse Chauvin's actions. But it seems far from settled that 'but for' Chauvin that the COD (again, a heart attack) happened.
I can think of other theories of how murder can be attributed to him. But your imagery of the knee on the neck doesnt seem to be the factual and actual cause of death. Apparently much to your chagrin.
Now, I would disagree with the 'more than one cop' sitting on him. Can you direct me to footage that shows any other officer 'sitting on him'? All I have seen is Chauvin doing that. The only other contact that I have seen is one holding his ankles, and, at a later point, one with a single hand on the small of his back.
But that has less rhetorical impact that your grndiose '4 cops sitting on him', doesnt it?