(08-04-2020 08:31 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 09:37 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-31-2020 02:55 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 10:30 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Sounds like UConn has an every man for himself type attitude toward other football independents. They've got a leg up on UMass with more time in FBS and facilities. ....

??? Where are you getting that?

UConn needed to buy their way into both sides of existing contracts for 2020 in order to meet the five FBS home games requirement. There's nothing to glean about UConn's "attitude" from their 2020 schedule, it's a picture of what deals were available.

My comment is about Steve saying UConn loaded up on P5 games.

If you look at UMass future schedules it doesn't include UConn, therefore one can assume the Huskies aren't eager to play an annual series.

I know what your comment was about, I was querying what the basis for the comment was. As it turns out, it's on a very shaky basis indeed.

When you look at UConn future schedules, they are only scheduled out to this year (and now with six cancellations), and aren't even scheduled out in 2021, and they have UMass scheduled for 2020 and 2021, and have plenty of openings in 2023 on out, so if you are seeing UMass scheduled out further in the future without UConn in the schedule, concluding that the lack of UMass/UConn games in 2022 on out is due to UConn's "attitude" since becoming a FB independent is drawing too much out of the available evidence.

They haven't signed an extended series with UMass when they've had plenty of time to do so at this point.

And I used the words "sounds like" because we haven't seen the snobbery in action for an extended period of time to confirm it.

Perhaps the issue is UConn has refused to play us in basketball since we beat them in 2004.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...=243440113

We could be holding out for a football deal that includes some basketball.

Our schedule is fine with at least 11 games schedule through 2024 and full the next 3 years.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/umass/

(08-04-2020 09:44 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 08:31 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 06:07 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 09:37 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-31-2020 02:55 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  ??? Where are you getting that?

UConn needed to buy their way into both sides of existing contracts for 2020 in order to meet the five FBS home games requirement. There's nothing to glean about UConn's "attitude" from their 2020 schedule, it's a picture of what deals were available.

My comment is about Steve saying UConn loaded up on P5 games.

If you look at UMass future schedules it doesn't include UConn, therefore one can assume the Huskies aren't eager to play an annual series.

I know what your comment was about, I was querying what the basis for the comment was. As it turns out, it's on a very shaky basis indeed.

When you look at UConn future schedules, they are only scheduled out to this year (and now with six cancellations), and aren't even scheduled out in 2021, and they have UMass scheduled for 2020 and 2021, and have plenty of openings in 2023 on out, so if you are seeing UMass scheduled out further in the future without UConn in the schedule, concluding that the lack of UMass/UConn games in 2022 on out is due to UConn's "attitude" since becoming a FB independent is drawing too much out of the available evidence.

They haven't signed an extended series with UMass when they've had plenty of time to do so at this point.

And I used the words "sounds like" because we haven't seen the snobbery in action for an extended period of time to confirm it.

Perhaps the issue is UConn has refused to play us in basketball since we beat them in 2004.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...=243440113

We could be holding out for a football deal that includes some basketball.

Our schedule is fine with at least 11 games schedule through 2024 and full the next 3 years.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/umass/

I can remember when the UConn-UMass basketball game was a Sportscenter level matchup meaning that the contest was of national interest.

I think the secret plan at UConn is to return men's basketball to the Top 10 level dominating the BE and doing well enough in FB (6-8 wins) to position itself for an ACC invite which they narrowly lost out on to Louisville.

BYU is trying to pull the same number keeping themselves above the MWC to pray for an XII invite. Basketball definitely can make a difference in the discussion.

Quote:Army’s not relegating itself into a lower conference than its #1 competitor for recruits.

Being independent + not a tough schedule (racking up 2 DIAA teams in their schedule) -- IS relegating itself to a lower level. Dishes are done, dude. :)

(08-03-2020 05:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I can’t see the MAC making any realignment moves any time in the near future. No one is leaving and there is no incentive to grow past 12.

Akron is forming a task force to study its options in the face of budget issues, faculty layoffs, and lower enrollment. Something is going to change somehow.

(08-06-2020 02:48 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 05:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I can’t see the MAC making any realignment moves any time in the near future. No one is leaving and there is no incentive to grow past 12.

Akron is forming a task force to study its options in the face of budget issues, faculty layoffs, and lower enrollment. Something is going to change somehow.

Maybe they should merge with Youngstown St or Cleveland St and revive the Ohio Poly idea.

If Akron really does bow out of the MAC I wouldn’t be surprised if they stay at 11.

IF that were to happen, IMHO, then Marshall and the MAC would enter serious discussions.

FIRE UP CHIPS! :)

Marshall could be looked at if it gets to that point as a solid fill in.

But is Marshall more valuable in basketball to the MAC than Akron? Akron probably brings more fans to Cleveland.

In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

I'm not convinced if the MAC is any better off with Marshall over one of those two aside from the fact they have strategic importance (e.g. preventing the formation of an eastern based G5 conference) by taking them. Do they really up the MAC's perception at this point?

11 in hoops and picking up a 12th like Army or UConn might be the better way.

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

It’s Kit Kat he pulls things out of his ass on a daily basis. This is no different.

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

IF Akron drops, then I would be curious to see if the MAC would even want to add anyone else. They could stay at 11 and keep the extra tv money and playoff money. If they do decide to add then one would think Marshall would fit the bill considering it’s location and history with the league. Personally, I don’t see Marshall or any schools in CUSA leaving for a new conference or just another conference in general. It’s almost like the current presidents and AD’s are hell bent on making the league work even though it clearly isn’t.[/i]

I’ve made no secret that I believe the MAC and Sun Belt are superior conferences to CUSA, and if I was Marshall I would make the jump if the MAC ever called. Times have changed in college football, there is no more “moving up” left to do if your G5. We are all stuck at this level forever, so we may as well be in the most geographically aligned conference we can be.

(08-08-2020 03:49 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

I am curious about how/If MACtion has hurt some of the better fan bases in the MAC? The only opinions I hear from are Marshall people who claim it is a death sentence to a fan base. I would like to hear it from actual MAC schools though. Have you all noticed a difference?

(08-08-2020 07:47 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 03:49 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

I am curious about how/If MACtion has hurt some of the better fan bases in the MAC? The only opinions I hear from are Marshall people who claim it is a death sentence to a fan base. I would like to hear it from actual MAC schools though. Have you all noticed a difference?

Talk to NIU fans. Toledo loses about 3,000-5,000 in average attendance because of Midweeks.

(08-08-2020 07:40 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I’ve made no secret that I believe the MAC and Sun Belt are superior conferences to CUSA, and if I was Marshall I would make the jump if the MAC ever called. Times have changed in college football, there is no more “moving up” left to do if your G5. We are all stuck at this level forever, so we may as well be in the most geographically aligned conference we can be.

The old CUSA with TCU, Louisville, UCF, Houston, etc. was a much better conference even if the travel must have cost a ton for all sports. But if I were Marshall I'd much rather be in the MAC with better travel and less costs than the current CUSA. I'd imagine Marshall would prefer rivalry games with Ohio, Miami, and other MAC schools. USM and Marshall are pretty much the leftovers of CUSA and are they happy with their current conference makeup?

(08-08-2020 10:27 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 07:47 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 03:49 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

I am curious about how/If MACtion has hurt some of the better fan bases in the MAC? The only opinions I hear from are Marshall people who claim it is a death sentence to a fan base. I would like to hear it from actual MAC schools though. Have you all noticed a difference?

Talk to NIU fans. Toledo loses about 3,000-5,000 in average attendance because of Midweeks.

NIU doesn't have a large local population to draw from in DeKalb for weeknight games. I remember mid-2000s and we would have packed games and were averaging well over 20,000 fans. We had more Saturday games then. With all the weeknight games now you aren't going to get people to leave work at 5pm from Chicago and suburbs and barely get to DeKalb just for the start of the game, then get home at midnight or later and wake up for work the next day.

People don't want to rush to make it to see a weekday game. They rather have time to relax, tailgate, socialize, and then go into the game. That is part of the whole GameDay experience and weekday games have eliminated that experience. If all you have time to do on a weekday is watch the game then you might as well do it from home and watch on TV and still get to bed at a respectable time to wake up for work the next day.

(08-08-2020 10:27 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 07:47 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 03:49 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

I am curious about how/If MACtion has hurt some of the better fan bases in the MAC? The only opinions I hear from are Marshall people who claim it is a death sentence to a fan base. I would like to hear it from actual MAC schools though. Have you all noticed a difference?

Talk to NIU fans. Toledo loses about 3,000-5,000 in average attendance because of Midweeks.

Ewww, that is pretty significant. What do you feel that equals out to in ticket revenue that’s lost? 500K? I can definitely see where that hurts a G5 schools budget pretty bad.

(08-08-2020 03:49 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

Cmon man. October 14, 1999 and in 2002.... and the game you beat us at home...and against Miami. We show up. You know that.

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

If the MAC is moving to drop FB and replace it with soccer Akron would have a leg up over Marshall in that discussion.

The whole what a school generates in ticket revenue for itself is a moot discussion at this point.

(08-08-2020 07:40 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  IF Akron drops, then I would be curious to see if the MAC would even want to add anyone else. They could stay at 11 and keep the extra tv money and playoff money. If they do decide to add then one would think Marshall would fit the bill considering it’s location and history with the league. Personally, I don’t see Marshall or any schools in CUSA leaving for a new conference or just another conference in general. It’s almost like the current presidents and AD’s are hell bent on making the league work even though it clearly isn’t.[/i]

I’ve made no secret that I believe the MAC and Sun Belt are superior conferences to CUSA, and if I was Marshall I would make the jump if the MAC ever called. Times have changed in college football, there is no more “moving up” left to do if your G5. We are all stuck at this level forever, so we may as well be in the most geographically aligned conference we can be.

If Akron was to drop, my theory is they would pitch to Kent to also drop from FBS/G5 and remain rivals in the Horizon or Missouri Valley. And I think Kent would be seriously tempted to go with. If not, maybe EMU or BGSU would consider it.

(08-08-2020 12:27 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-08-2020 03:49 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:18 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 05:24 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  In football who brings more fans to Ford Field....Marshall or Eastern Michigan? Don't laugh because EMU brought a nice contingent to Ford Field for their bowl vs. Pitt.

Marshall has played in Detroit 5 times. Our track record in sales is pretty well established. There's decades of history and bowls now showing Marshall has one of the strongest traveling fan bases in the entire G5. You and I and every here knows Marshall would be the #1 fan base the moment we'd walk through the MAC door. You can look at organically generated revenue (ticket revenue, donations, licensing) to back that up.

Start playing midweek games and see if your attendance holds up after a couple of seasons.

Cmon man. October 14, 1999 and in 2002.... and the game you beat us at home...and against Miami. We show up. You know that.

Play 12 years of midweek games and see what it does to a fanbase.