Expansion is dead. All the threads on the subject in this Forum may be moved.

(06-08-2021 06:47 AM)JamesTKirk Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

Wow, Aresco really sounded in this interview like he had completely given up on what the announcer called "The American Dream."

He's back to saying that the conference is planning to go forward with 11 teams again, completely taking back everything he said just a few weeks ago about the conference's determination to replace UConn and about how "convinced" he was that the AAC would become a P6 conference.

It sounds like everything hinged on Boise State, and now that's gone, and that's that.

Not even the topic of CFP expansion brought any signs of optimism from the commissioner. He seemed to dismiss the idea that anything would happen during the June meetings.

Yet, even if all of that is true, there could be a surge of interest from western schools in the AAC within the next 4-5 years, since the current CFP committee's mandate will expire in 2026, and there is a growing expectation that the CFP format will be likely to expand in 2026.

Maybe that is just too far in the future for the commissioner to be hopeful about, but if the momentum continues to grow for CFP expansion, the AAC might have its best chance yet of moving toward A6/P6 stature in just a few years.

Presidents decide. Sounds like there is.no groundswell of support for any particular #12.

Of course we will see another thread by Monday.

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Does this mean we can finally stop having BYU, Boise, and SDSU dorks dropping in?

There is No expansion until it happens. Until then it doesn’t matter how many threads and posts on this board FOR and AGAINST it.

(06-08-2021 07:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Expansion is dead. All the threads on the subject in this Forum may be moved.

Am I being punked here? How is it nobody's realized (or is at least addressing) that Dodd sent out this tweet linking to a nearly half-year old story and hasn't backed it up with anything to substantiate his "it's dead" assertion?

I'm not advocating for or against it, but if I were a reporter and sent out a tweet saying Jaylen Gardner was guaranteeing he was going to play in the NCAA tournament next year but linked it to a story from December talking about ECU basketball with quotes from Gardner people would howl...

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(06-08-2021 10:25 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 07:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Expansion is dead. All the threads on the subject in this Forum may be moved.

Am I being punked here? How is it nobody's realized (or is at least addressing) that Dodd sent out this tweet linking to a nearly half-year old story and hasn't backed it up with anything to substantiate his "it's dead" assertion?

I'm not advocating for or against it, but if I were a reporter and sent out a tweet saying Jaylen Gardner was guaranteeing he was going to play in the NCAA tournament next year but linked it to a story from December talking about ECU basketball with quotes from Gardner people would howl...

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Eh. His link to his old article was tied to the "The opposite was true prior." Although he said "prior to COVID" and the article wasn't, some of the exchanges were - some of those emails were around Jan 2020 Boise temper tantrum at mwc over threatening to end the sweetheart deal. Others were in the heart of COVID - around the Sep 2020 Boise temper tantrum at mwc over initial cancellation of football season.

He has a click baity "sources say" tweet, so make the older article the recipient of clicks...until a new article is written.

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

Great find gulfcoastgal -- as usual, thanks.

And then, "J-named-TV-character" reaches conclusions that are inconceivable.

(06-08-2021 06:47 AM)JamesTKirk Wrote:  Wow, Aresco really sounded in this interview like he had completely given up on what the announcer called "The American Dream."

Hunh?
Here's what Commissioner Aresco said starting around the 24:30 mark that prompted Tortora's use of "American Dream":
"Upward mobility that's the American Way, the idea that you can achieve and that you can move up...[rehashes 2012 situation]...We've clawed our way back, and we need to continue that fight and make sure that we get there...I've always felt deep down that we would get there...and that's what we continue to do."
Then AFTER the host's "American Dream" comment:
On "Autonomy" (both distinguished between autonomy status and CFP restructure quite well): "It is a legislative issue to be in the autonomy group...we would have to go to the NCAA council which we would plan to do and then the approval of Board of Directors at D1 level and we think we can do that ultimately."
And on CFP: "Don't know, 4-6-8-10-12-16 who knows nobody knows. But we will be ready for whatever comes out of the working group...[somewhat later] whatever they do, we wanted to be viewed as an A6 and that's something we've earned."
Those all sound like the opposite of giving up.
Also talked about being aggressive both before and after that chunk - "Very, very aggressive strategy - a serious media plan" and "we've got an aspirational group making enormous progress on all levels" and "it's up to us to continue to achieve and I think we will."

Quote:Not even the topic of CFP expansion brought any signs of optimism from the commissioner. He seemed to dismiss the idea that anything would happen during the June meetings.

"This is a complicated issue...you have contract bowls there you have to figure that out, you have to figure scheduling out...the conferences have to decide...there's a lot going on...you don't go to TV until you have a plan..."

It is actually pretty simple that discussions, advances, progress in June 2021 meetings is completely compatible with expansion not occurring within the CURRENT contract, not until 2026 season.

Quote:He's back to saying that the conference is planning to go forward with 11 teams again, completely taking back everything he said just a few weeks ago about the conference's determination to replace UConn and about how "convinced" he was that the AAC would become a P6 conference.

It sounds like everything hinged on Boise State, and now that's gone, and that's that.

Jnamedtvcharacter, 11 teams is compatible with the P6 strategy. Adding a 12th team just to replace UConn, if that team isn't additive value, is not compatible to the P6 strategy.
Neither 12 nor 14 are a sine qua non for the P6 strategy.

"If the opportunity arises where a team could really add to the brand and it makes sense on other levels, then we'd consider it," Commissioner Aresco said in this interview.
That's. Exactly. What. The. Message. Has. Been. Since. UConn. Left.

Quote:Yet, even if all of that is true, there could be a surge of interest from western schools in the AAC within the next 4-5 years, since the current CFP committee's mandate will expire in 2026, and there is a growing expectation that the CFP format will be likely to expand in 2026.

Maybe that is just too far in the future for the commissioner to be hopeful about, but if the momentum continues to grow for CFP expansion, the AAC might have its best chance yet of moving toward A6/P6 stature in just a few years.

Eh. In four or five years, an 11th hour addition may not be in our best interests, unless it is very specifically tied to finalizing negotiations in the new CFP. Staying at 11 (or adding a basketball-strong add) can advance our goals for CFP inclusion or contract-bowl-status, which really defines the strategic goals of the conference (oft referred to shorthand as "P6"). Just gotta keep delivering.

boise isnt the only option...

why is expansion dead because we are done with boise?

from the article... location is the only issue

it says theyd likely already be in the aac this fall had they had a solution for the Olympic sports

the article , with the context clues, points out something.. the aac has no desire for a true west division...

prior there were doubts if we could even pick up mwc teams...the answer is we can.. we just dont want all their sports, which for some reason we are 100% against

(06-08-2021 12:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  from the article... location is the only issue

it says theyd likely already be in the aac this fall had they had a solution for the Olympic sports

the article , with the context clues, points out something.. the aac has no desire for a true west division...

prior there were doubts if we could even pick up mwc teams...the answer is we can.. we just dont want all their sports, which for some reason we are 100% against

We know why, they told us. Geography matters for all sports to the AD's but even more for the presidents.

SDSU would be our 12th if they were located in the footprint, we would have tried for BYU or Army football only and then likely moved on go a perspective program with a recent record of success and the city/recruiting profile that matches 10/11 or 11/12 teams. Boise has zero chance as an all sport regardless of location on academics and no home recruiting base. Air Force would probably work but their Olympics could be a drag and they really don't.want our level of competition for them night in and night out.

CSU has always been a tag along if two of the valuable ones said yes. VCU is the Olympic option if we do one and we add a football only.

The situation has been status quo and won't change unless Army or BYU change their stance. It's clear we will go unbalanced if we must but we will not just add to add, the math of the equation has not changed and until it does we are where we are and won't be moving.

(06-08-2021 08:43 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 06:47 AM)JamesTKirk Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

Wow, Aresco really sounded in this interview like he had completely given up on what the announcer called "The American Dream."

He's back to saying that the conference is planning to go forward with 11 teams again, completely taking back everything he said just a few weeks ago about the conference's determination to replace UConn and about how "convinced" he was that the AAC would become a P6 conference.

It sounds like everything hinged on Boise State, and now that's gone, and that's that.

Not even the topic of CFP expansion brought any signs of optimism from the commissioner. He seemed to dismiss the idea that anything would happen during the June meetings.

Yet, even if all of that is true, there could be a surge of interest from western schools in the AAC within the next 4-5 years, since the current CFP committee's mandate will expire in 2026, and there is a growing expectation that the CFP format will be likely to expand in 2026.

Maybe that is just too far in the future for the commissioner to be hopeful about, but if the momentum continues to grow for CFP expansion, the AAC might have its best chance yet of moving toward A6/P6 stature in just a few years.

Presidents decide. Sounds like there is.no groundswell of support for any particular #12.

Of course we will see another thread by Monday.

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Ehhh. I just hear him saying what we've been saying forever. There are 3 teams that add value and thats it. Until a team that adds value is available and willing to join on terms that make sense to the conference as a whole---we will concentrate on our other goals and put expansion on the back burner. Here is the exact quote.

"If the opportunity arises where a team can really add to our brand and it makes sense on other levels we could at least consider it, but right now it is completely on the back burner. We are really focused on getting where we need to be on the CFP and A5."

(06-08-2021 12:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  from the article... location is the only issue

it says theyd likely already be in the aac this fall had they had a solution for the Olympic sports

the article , with the context clues, points out something.. the aac has no desire for a true west division...

prior there were doubts if we could even pick up mwc teams...the answer is we can.. we just dont want all their sports, which for some reason we are 100% against

Im not surprised by this and wouldnt be shocked if the western division teams---who would clearly bear the brunt of the far western travel---were the most opposed. Football only out west made sense. An all sports western division might be feasible---but I suspect it was just a bridge too far for the AAC Western teams that would see a huge spike in their travel budgets.

Why couldn't we have Olympic Sports play Conference Playoffs, but regular season regional schedules? Might be tough for Baseball/Softball, granted. But all other sports kinda do that already. Just have Football/Volleyball and M&W Bball play in Conference scheduling. Save some money on travel if we add some Western teams.

(06-08-2021 11:53 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

And then, "J-named-TV-character" reaches conclusions that are inconceivable.

I've started listening. As others have noted, Kirk's take is the opposite of what Aresco is saying. Either troll or agenda driven.

(06-08-2021 03:02 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 11:53 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

And then, "J-named-TV-character" reaches conclusions that are inconceivable.

Waiting patiently for this guy to make an appearance...



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(06-08-2021 03:57 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 03:02 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 11:53 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

And then, "J-named-TV-character" reaches conclusions that are inconceivable.

Waiting patiently for this guy to make an appearance...



USFFan

(06-08-2021 04:13 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 03:57 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 03:02 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 11:53 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-08-2021 05:23 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Lots of P6 talk and a blurb about realignment at the end. Spoiler, it’s on the back burner.

And then, "J-named-TV-character" reaches conclusions that are inconceivable.

Waiting patiently for this guy to make an appearance...



USFFan

Or this guy.

(06-08-2021 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  boise isnt the only option...

why is expansion dead because we are done with boise?

(06-08-2021 12:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  from the article... location is the only issue

it says theyd likely already be in the aac this fall had they had a solution for the Olympic sports

the article , with the context clues, points out something.. the aac has no desire for a true west division...

prior there were doubts if we could even pick up mwc teams...the answer is we can.. we just dont want all their sports, which for some reason we are 100% against

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Swap Boise for UNLV and keep roll'n