Neither party can say anything positive in its favor about the deficit.

(02-08-2020 12:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  #amazinghypocracy

What makes you think you're amazing?

Trump announces $4.4trillion in cuts over 10 years.

Let's see the libturd left twist themselves into a pretzel over this.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-b...d-security

(02-08-2020 11:27 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 04:34 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 03:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 03:36 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  No democrat or left leaning individual should ever comment about spending given their propensity to wail that any meaningful cuts will take the food out of children's and senior's mouths. However conservatives need to get back to the idea of getting spending under control and address the looming disasters that are entitlement spending. At some point the adults have to take over and get this countries spending under control.

I'm commenting on it because of the hypocrisy of republicans and conservatives. Case in point, the quote from Pence from 2010. If the debt and deficit mattered to him when Obama and other presidents were in the WH, it should matter to him now too. And it doesn't...and we all know why. Sad.

No not all. There are many of us who recognize spending is out of control.

This.

We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

Sure, g-head. Raise those taxes, put in some increased “user fees”, add to the gas tax, whatever.

Does anyone believe that will go to deficit/debt reduction? No, it, like all other revenue, will immediately be steered to the GF and blown on ever increasing federal spending and handouts.

No thanks. I can spend my own money a LOT more efficiently than some unaccountable, nameless, faceless bureaucrat holding down a leather chair in DeeCee.

Zero-based budgeting, get to it. Provide 10% incentives for every $ saved in these alphabet soup agencies.

(02-08-2020 06:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Neither party can say anything positive in its favor about the deficit.

Correct.

(02-09-2020 04:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Trump announces $4.4trillion in cuts over 10 years.

Let's see the libturd left twist themselves into a pretzel over this.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-b...d-security

I imagine he is shooting for around 2.5 trillion to manage to get through Congress. It will be interesting to see what he really wants in this to pass.

Spending money to build fishing boats rather than spending money to give away fish.

Obama left a mess.

Democrats should try to beat Trump with economics.

Solid plan. Lulz

(02-09-2020 04:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Trump announces $4.4trillion in cuts over 10 years.

Let's see the libturd left twist themselves into a pretzel over this.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-b...d-security

Libs are in desperation mode. It’s all they know.

(02-07-2020 03:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 03:36 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  No democrat or left leaning individual should ever comment about spending given their propensity to wail that any meaningful cuts will take the food out of children's and senior's mouths. However conservatives need to get back to the idea of getting spending under control and address the looming disasters that are entitlement spending. At some point the adults have to take over and get this countries spending under control.

I'm commenting on it because of the hypocrisy of republicans and conservatives. Case in point, the quote from Pence from 2010. If the debt and deficit mattered to him when Obama and other presidents were in the WH, it should matter to him now too. And it doesn't...and we all know why. Sad.

I think you are assuming the two are the same. Anyway, I don't favor increasing the deficit no matter which party is responsible.

(02-08-2020 06:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Neither party can say anything positive in its favor about the deficit.

Noone has been serious about it since Ross quit pushing it.

I'm going to assume the hive-mind is still generating talking points on this?

Don't you tire of losing?

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(02-07-2020 03:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2020 03:36 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  No democrat or left leaning individual should ever comment about spending given their propensity to wail that any meaningful cuts will take the food out of children's and senior's mouths. However conservatives need to get back to the idea of getting spending under control and address the looming disasters that are entitlement spending. At some point the adults have to take over and get this countries spending under control.

I'm commenting on it because of the hypocrisy of republicans and conservatives. Case in point, the quote from Pence from 2010. If the debt and deficit mattered to him when Obama and other presidents were in the WH, it should matter to him now too. And it doesn't...and we all know why. Sad.

Do you ever talk about your own hypocrisy? Sad, indeed.

(02-09-2020 04:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Trump announces $4.4trillion in cuts over 10 years.

Let's see the libturd left twist themselves into a pretzel over this.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-b...d-security

Won't be hard. Most cuts are from social welfare net programs and foreign aide. Also, deficit reductions are pretty low in that proposal.

25% reduction to the EPA. Its about f*ing time.

To achieve any meaningful reduction of the deficit, and by extension the debt, requires at least four things.

1) Defuse the social security time bomb before it goes off in about a decade. Eliminating the wage cap solves the immediate problem, but long term we have to raise the retirement age (I'd propose one month per year, until it hits 70 in 48 years) and make some changes to the benefits formula. I would propose lowering the ceiling on benefits and adding a privatized "super 401k" to offset that impact.
2) Increase revenues. I would propose a consumption tax like the rest of the world, to avoid raising income taxes to levels that will drive massive capital flight.
3) Some kind of reform to entitlements. I would propose going to Bismarck health care and a subsistence-level universal basic income, to reduce the middle-men costs substantially.
4) Cut out waste in discretionary programs. One thing I would do is to privatize a bunch of functions, to be supported by user fees--interstate highways as national toll road system, air traffic control, postal service, TVA, western water and power agencies, come to mind.

With those three things, we could balance the budget and reduce the debt to manageable levels.

(02-10-2020 01:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  To achieve any meaningful reduction of the deficit, and by extension the debt, requires at least four things.

1) Defuse the social security time bomb before it goes off in about a decade. Eliminating the wage cap solves the immediate problem, but long term we have to raise the retirement age (I'd propose one month per year, until it hits 70 in 48 years) and make some changes to the benefits formula. I would propose lowering the ceiling on benefits and adding a privatized "super 401k" to offset that impact.
2) Increase revenues. I would propose a consumption tax like the rest of the world, to avoid raising income taxes to levels that will drive massive capital flight.
3) Some kind of reform to entitlements. I would propose going to Bismarck health care and a subsistence-level universal basic income, to reduce the middle-men costs substantially.
4) Cut out waste in discretionary programs. One thing I would do is to privatize a bunch of functions, to be supported by user fees--interstate highways as national toll road system, air traffic control, postal service, TVA, western water and power agencies, come to mind.

With those three things, we could balance the budget and reduce the debt to manageable levels.

And unfortunately there's no one pushing for any of this really. There's not a single national politician mentioning Bismarck, and only Yang even broaching the subject of UBI. Despite being one of the very few resident "Bernie Bro's" here I would actually prefer Bismarck to what Bernie is proposing on health care (although I'd prefer the National Model or Beveridge greatly to what we have). Problem is no side is pushing for it. The GOP wants nothing to do with anything that even resembles nationalized health care, and the Bernie wing wants the National Health Insurance Model (although they don't call it that). The only way I ever see Bismarck becoming a reality in the US is that the Overton window shifts so far on the side of "Medicare for All" that it becomes a politically impossible position to advocate for no government involvement and then you get to Bismarck by compromise.