If you are beyond sick of JMU MBB continually sitting in the basement of a mediocre basketball conference, raise your hand...



If you'd be willing to give more money to right this 3-decade-long embarrassment of a program, raise your hand...



If you want a change now, raise your hand...



If you think KC "Summers Eve" Keeler in a different sport could even lead this program better, raise your hand...



That did it. I think we have a consensus.

No one liked my haiku. Darn

Sooo, with the “relationships”, and still dropping a qtr mill on GOATLR, and he loves his alma mater (I don’t doubt that), keep him on staff.

I know it’d be tough to be no.2 at this point, but he’s gonna be no.2 or 3 wherever else he lands.

Look at Sherm selling sneakers, Keener landed at an investment firm or hiring place or something.

LR’s gotta know he’s in over his head, but if likes coaching, wants to continue coaching, then continue to learn.

Stick around, build on what you did do here correctly... see if the next guy can take them and you to the next level.

We’re paying him anyway, I’m sure he can contribute, what’s the harm? Ego?

Be the best paid recruiter/asst coach in CAA history...

(01-25-2020 11:14 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No one liked my haiku. Darn

Sooo, with the “relationships”, and still dropping a qtr mill on GOATLR, and he loves his alma mater (I don’t doubt that), keep him on staff.

I know it’d be tough to be no.2 at this point, but he’s gonna be no.2 or 3 wherever else he lands.

Look at Sherm selling sneakers, Keener landed at an investment firm or hiring place or something.

LR’s gotta know he’s in over his head, but if likes coaching, wants to continue coaching, then continue to learn.

Stick around, build on what you did do here correctly... see if the next guy can take them and you to the next level.

We’re paying him anyway, I’m sure he can contribute, what’s the harm? Ego?

Be the best paid recruiter/asst coach in CAA history...

I don't care if they hire a coach that hates Harrisonburg and thinks his bosses are total idiots (which might be accurate) as long as he wins. No connections with the town or school are necessary. And I'd like to see Rowe go to the land of Far, Far Away never to be seen or heard from again.

(01-25-2020 11:14 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No one liked my haiku. Darn

Sooo, with the “relationships”, and still dropping a qtr mill on GOATLR, and he loves his alma mater (I don’t doubt that), keep him on staff.

I know it’d be tough to be no.2 at this point, but he’s gonna be no.2 or 3 wherever else he lands.

Look at Sherm selling sneakers, Keener landed at an investment firm or hiring place or something.

LR’s gotta know he’s in over his head, but if likes coaching, wants to continue coaching, then continue to learn.

Stick around, build on what you did do here correctly... see if the next guy can take them and you to the next level.

We’re paying him anyway, I’m sure he can contribute, what’s the harm? Ego?

Be the best paid recruiter/asst coach in CAA history...

Sherm has been the lead assistant at Iowa for several years now.

(01-25-2020 06:21 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  if it is true that we owe Lou Rowe 325K whether he's our coach tomorrow or he coaches until April 2021, our admin needs to make a statement by terminating HCLR. If this isn't the direction they want our program to go then make that clear.

Hard to believe we've gotten to the point where Nuts wants to be more aggressive than me.

I don't see the benefit of making a move before March.

Reasons:

1) Perception of treatment to:
A) Classy person
B) One of greatest JMU athletes
C) He bailed out admin by giving them an easy option 3 years ago

2) What's the benefit? This year is shot, and are you going to provide the players 3 coaches in a 3 month span? That could provide a worse taste for the current players.

3) Lou deserves & has earned better

Let Lou know you appreciate him for his effort and heart he has put into coaching JMU, but due to many factors including results and the new arena a change will be occurring following the season. That way the admin can move forward with the process somewhat behind the scenes. This could even perhaps relieve Lou and take off some pressure he's obviously feeling.

(01-25-2020 11:45 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 11:14 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No one liked my haiku. Darn

Sooo, with the “relationships”, and still dropping a qtr mill on GOATLR, and he loves his alma mater (I don’t doubt that), keep him on staff.

I know it’d be tough to be no.2 at this point, but he’s gonna be no.2 or 3 wherever else he lands.

Look at Sherm selling sneakers, Keener landed at an investment firm or hiring place or something.

LR’s gotta know he’s in over his head, but if likes coaching, wants to continue coaching, then continue to learn.

Stick around, build on what you did do here correctly... see if the next guy can take them and you to the next level.

We’re paying him anyway, I’m sure he can contribute, what’s the harm? Ego?

Be the best paid recruiter/asst coach in CAA history...

Sherm has been the lead assistant at Iowa for several years now.

Yeah, I saw him in his Iowa gear at the airport in Cedar Rapids in 2012.

(01-26-2020 07:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 06:21 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  if it is true that we owe Lou Rowe 325K whether he's our coach tomorrow or he coaches until April 2021, our admin needs to make a statement by terminating HCLR. If this isn't the direction they want our program to go then make that clear.

Hard to believe we've gotten to the point where Nuts wants to be more aggressive than me.

I don't see the benefit of making a move before March.

Reasons:

1) Perception of treatment to:
A) Classy person
B) One of greatest JMU athletes
C) He bailed out admin by giving them an easy option 3 years ago

2) What's the benefit? This year is shot, and are you going to provide the players 3 coaches in a 3 month span? That could provide a worse taste for the current players.

3) Lou deserves & has earned better

Let Lou know you appreciate him for his effort and heart he has put into coaching JMU, but due to many factors including results and the new arena a change will be occurring following the season. That way the admin can move forward with the process somewhat behind the scenes. This could even perhaps relieve Lou and take off some pressure he's obviously feeling.

You and I are usually in agreement on many takes and while I agree with your last sentence and Lou under pressure and sounding exhausted and kind of out of sorts in postgame interviews, I disagree and think a coaching change is needed now. Lou has had more than enough chances and would probably agree after a discussion that a change now is the best thing for the program. It should have happened after last season, and I am sure that Bourne and Rowe had some conversations about what Bourne expects from the team this year, or at least I certainly hope so, and we are not even close to anyone’s worst expectations. To me, we are just wasting a year of what everyone sees as talented players.

The season is not lost yet and like UNCW, a change in command could jolt this team and give them some confidence after a couple wins. Who knows from there. It is better than the alternative of as usual not trying and doing nothing and just letting the season run out. Do something.

We know about hindsight, but I wonder how this season would have gone if we had a real experienced coach for the entire season as so many demanded after last season. No way someone like Shaver who we wanted would be 1-8.

I don’t think Rowe will resign, and I don’t blame him as 325K is a lot of money. Admin needs to make a statement that they are disgusted with the current program and not wait 6 more weeks to change coaches. It should have happened 12 months ago or at least over the winter break as most knew in December that this was not going to be a good season— not as bad as this though.

(01-26-2020 09:15 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 06:21 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  if it is true that we owe Lou Rowe 325K whether he's our coach tomorrow or he coaches until April 2021, our admin needs to make a statement by terminating HCLR. If this isn't the direction they want our program to go then make that clear.

Hard to believe we've gotten to the point where Nuts wants to be more aggressive than me.

I don't see the benefit of making a move before March.

Reasons:

1) Perception of treatment to:
A) Classy person
B) One of greatest JMU athletes
C) He bailed out admin by giving them an easy option 3 years ago

2) What's the benefit? This year is shot, and are you going to provide the players 3 coaches in a 3 month span? That could provide a worse taste for the current players.

3) Lou deserves & has earned better

Let Lou know you appreciate him for his effort and heart he has put into coaching JMU, but due to many factors including results and the new arena a change will be occurring following the season. That way the admin can move forward with the process somewhat behind the scenes. This could even perhaps relieve Lou and take off some pressure he's obviously feeling.

You and I are usually in agreement on many takes and while I agree with your last sentence and Lou under pressure and sounding exhausted and kind of out of sorts in postgame interviews, I disagree and think a coaching change is needed now. Lou has had more than enough chances and would probably agree after a discussion that a change now is the best thing for the program. It should have happened after last season, and I am sure that Bourne and Rowe had some conversations about what Bourne expects from the team this year, or at least I certainly hope so, and we are not even close to anyone’s worst expectations. To me, we are just wasting a year of what everyone sees as talented players.

The season is not lost yet and like UNCW, a change in command could jolt this team and give them some confidence after a couple wins. Who knows from there. It is better than the alternative of as usual not trying and doing nothing and just letting the season run out. Do something.

We know about hindsight, but I wonder how this season would have gone if we had a real experienced coach for the entire season as so many demanded after last season. No way someone like Shaver who we wanted would be 1-8.

I don’t think Rowe will resign, and I don’t blame him as 325K is a lot of money. Admin needs to make a statement that they are disgusted with the current program and not wait 6 more weeks to change coaches. It should have happened 12 months ago or at least over the winter break as most knew in December that this was not going to be a good season— not as bad as this though.

Totally agree. Just because an interim coach would be working with the same ingredients, don't assume he would cook up the same inedible stew. Change in lineups, philosophy, crashing boards on offense instead of playing in fear of another team's fast break, playing 4 guards, a 3-2 zone, subbing 5 guys at a time, actual offensive plays, all could have varying effects on the outcome of the product.

(01-25-2020 12:34 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Dukes lose, I agree with Nation. Elon has played some tough teams this year and lost a number of close games to solid teams. I would expect the Dukes to lose by about 8 or 10 points.

You didn't want to be right, but that was a great prediction.

(01-26-2020 09:15 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  We know about hindsight, but I wonder how this season would have gone if we had a real experienced coach for the entire season as so many demanded after last season. No way someone like Shaver who we wanted would be 1-8.

I believe Shaver would've had them above 500 at this point. If we put in Shaver right now and let him finish the season, I believe he would deliver a better record than Rowe will and would likely get us a Keener round W too. From there, who knows? Is the move worth it? Debatable. Will it happen? Nope, but, if it did, I'd actually want to use my season tickets instead of trying to find someone to take them off of my hands. I haven't been to the Convo since 11/30 and currently have no desire to step foot in that place again.

(01-26-2020 09:41 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 09:15 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 07:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 06:21 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  if it is true that we owe Lou Rowe 325K whether he's our coach tomorrow or he coaches until April 2021, our admin needs to make a statement by terminating HCLR. If this isn't the direction they want our program to go then make that clear.

Hard to believe we've gotten to the point where Nuts wants to be more aggressive than me.

I don't see the benefit of making a move before March.

Reasons:

1) Perception of treatment to:
A) Classy person
B) One of greatest JMU athletes
C) He bailed out admin by giving them an easy option 3 years ago

2) What's the benefit? This year is shot, and are you going to provide the players 3 coaches in a 3 month span? That could provide a worse taste for the current players.

3) Lou deserves & has earned better

Let Lou know you appreciate him for his effort and heart he has put into coaching JMU, but due to many factors including results and the new arena a change will be occurring following the season. That way the admin can move forward with the process somewhat behind the scenes. This could even perhaps relieve Lou and take off some pressure he's obviously feeling.

You and I are usually in agreement on many takes and while I agree with your last sentence and Lou under pressure and sounding exhausted and kind of out of sorts in postgame interviews, I disagree and think a coaching change is needed now. Lou has had more than enough chances and would probably agree after a discussion that a change now is the best thing for the program. It should have happened after last season, and I am sure that Bourne and Rowe had some conversations about what Bourne expects from the team this year, or at least I certainly hope so, and we are not even close to anyone’s worst expectations. To me, we are just wasting a year of what everyone sees as talented players.

The season is not lost yet and like UNCW, a change in command could jolt this team and give them some confidence after a couple wins. Who knows from there. It is better than the alternative of as usual not trying and doing nothing and just letting the season run out. Do something.

We know about hindsight, but I wonder how this season would have gone if we had a real experienced coach for the entire season as so many demanded after last season. No way someone like Shaver who we wanted would be 1-8.

I don’t think Rowe will resign, and I don’t blame him as 325K is a lot of money. Admin needs to make a statement that they are disgusted with the current program and not wait 6 more weeks to change coaches. It should have happened 12 months ago or at least over the winter break as most knew in December that this was not going to be a good season— not as bad as this though.

Totally agree. Just because an interim coach would be working with the same ingredients, don't assume he would cook up the same inedible stew. Change in lineups, philosophy, crashing boards on offense instead of playing in fear of another team's fast break, playing 4 guards, a 3-2 zone, subbing 5 guys at a time, actual offensive plays, all could have varying effects on the outcome of the product.

You haven’t seen enough offensive plays yet?

I get that Shaver is a good coach, but lets not forget that his team never made it to the NCAA tournament. Do we really want that?

(01-26-2020 10:12 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I get that Shaver is a good coach, but lets not forget that his team never made it to the NCAA tournament. Do we really want that?

Rowe hasn't gotten us to 7th place.

(01-26-2020 10:12 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I get that Shaver is a good coach, but lets not forget that his team never made it to the NCAA tournament. Do we really want that?

I think we are all now involved in the ancient Hindu practice of Neti Neti (not this, not this). Almost any other option is "not this."

Tony Shaver isn’t throwing away his free W&M paycheck to coach JMU.

I don't get the love fest for Coach Shaver. In 15 years at W&M he's lost more games than he's won. Why would we want another Brady, even if temporary? W&M fired him for similar reasons we fired Brady, no future. Shaver would cause a 13 player defection.

There is nothing good that could come out of firing Rowe mid season other than making fans feel good. A replacement doesn't have a magic wand and can change much in performance. Rowe recruited these players, he is loyal to them and they are loyal to coach. Risk vs. Reward

UNCW is 2-0 with their new coach after firing the coach who led them to an 0-7 record, with no player losses, even beating 2nd place Charleston on the road. He may not have a magic wand, but that is a change in performance I'd like to see for JMU.

If the players are loyal to a coach, who is clearly in over his head, and they are happy playing for last place every year, and happy getting smacked in the mouth by the 2nd worst team in the league, and playing in front of 600-700 people at home, then that's their choice.

Sounds to me like the team has given up on the coach. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. That's usually the case when the season goes this badly sideways.

Or that the coaches don’t know how to coach. The players seem to really like Rowe so I can’t imagine they’ve tuned out the coaching staff. I think it’s more likely the players are listening and employing what little coaching they’re being offered.

I am not going to bash Bourne at all. With the state of JMU athletics as a whole, I’d say the results speak for themselves (the obvious exception being mbb). He has done well with the hand he was dealt with one glaring miss that I’m sure he would love to fix.

I’m 50/50 on getting rid of Rowe now . Both sides have merit . Who do we have to fill in , what message do we send by making (or not making) a change about expectations with the program, and what loyalty do you give to your current coach / alum who has universal praise as a great guy who has brought in quality kids. If he has cleaned up some of the issues we heard about with discipline under Brady, Bourne may have more reasons to let Rowe finish this year out . You don’t know what conversations behind the scenes they may have had that Rowe is working under.

I’m torn . Loyalty matters . So does sending a clear message that this program is unacceptable to what we expect .


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