(01-23-2020 04:29 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 03:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  If Boise does leave, I think Rice and UTEP would be the first looked at. They were, after all, mentioned as expansion candidates a few years ago.

Boise becoming an Independent is interesting because with their track record they can make an argument Independent teams should be included in the “G5” NY6 spot. Independent alliances formed in the past and secured their own referees and bowl bids (Independence and Liberty come to mind). I even remember an article where Notre Dame was the Independent rep at an NCAA meeting of the minds. Boise would have the ability to schedule more P5 teams and create their own media deal.

Just like the music industry with singles, I think we’ll see more Independent teams like the days of yore.

If you say it a few hundred more times, maybe it will come true. But in reality, it has little chance of getting enough votes for approval, and it would require a complete reworking of the way they dole out the CFP money to everybody outside the G5.

USFFan

Uh, no. Just lump them in with the G5, which they are anyway. Let’s be real here Spritefan.

(01-23-2020 11:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 10:09 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 09:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 07:09 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Not sure if the Big Sky wants to deal with a prima donna that will bolt at first opportunity.

There is a lot of hard feelings between Idaho and Boise.

Plus, from Boise's end, going back to a conference with Idaho and Idaho State would put them back at Boise's level.

So the question is whether that comment from Tom Scott means the Big West is the only choice Boise would accept or the only choice that would accept Boise.

I’m sure the WAC would take Boise.

Of course the WAC would. But good luck convincing Boise's new president - who was previously a vice chancellor and provost at UC Santa Cruz - on the academic merits of Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Dixie State, Tarleton State and Chicago State. Playing all sports in a 1-bid league.

It’s not like Boise State is some highly regarded academic institution either. They would play in a 1 bid Big Sky conference though? I would think Idaho has enough allies to keep them out at this point.

The WAC would take them in a heartbeat

Boise was in the Big Sky for 25 years. Perhaps Idaho and Idaho State would relish the opportunity to bring Boise back down to their level in hoops (how the mighty have fallen). Weber State and the Montana's would likely welcome them back too.

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Like I said earlier today, this could easily happen for the 2020 season. Got about 6 weeks before Temple joined the Big East in 2012....

If Boise moves to Big Sky, it would revive the Boise-Idaho rivalry.

How long before AAC adds VCU or Dayton?

(01-24-2020 12:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Like I said earlier today, this could easily happen for the 2020 season. Got about 6 weeks before Temple joined the Big East in 2012....

I have some very serious doubts about the WCC reference unless their major football rival, BYU, is going to bat for Boise St in an incredible way.

(01-24-2020 12:15 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Like I said earlier today, this could easily happen for the 2020 season. Got about 6 weeks before Temple joined the Big East in 2012....

I have some very serious doubts about the WCC reference unless their major football rival, BYU, is going to bat for Boise St in an incredible way.

While Boise doesn't bring in an additional at-large bid, they do add depth in hoops and most recently volleyball. Ya never know.

(01-24-2020 12:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Like I said earlier today, this could easily happen for the 2020 season. Got about 6 weeks before Temple joined the Big East in 2012....

I don’t believe any of it. The Big Sky has no baseball or women’s swimming & diving, so Boise has to find a home for those two programs. The WCC and Boise State are a bad fit. A non-private school which would instantly be the lowest rated academic school in the conference. Boise State brings nothing to the WCC.

(01-24-2020 12:30 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Like I said earlier today, this could easily happen for the 2020 season. Got about 6 weeks before Temple joined the Big East in 2012....

I don’t believe any of it. The Big Sky has no baseball or women’s swimming & diving, so Boise has to find a home for those two programs. The WCC and Boise State are a bad fit. A non-private school which would instantly be the lowest rated academic school in the conference. Boise State brings nothing to the WCC.

At the risk of entering DavidSt territory... once upon a time UCSB, UNLV and Nevada called the WCC home. While it's been 40+ years since a public institution was last in the WCC, if the right school came along perhaps an exception is made.

Whether or not Boise is that exception, we shall see.

(01-24-2020 12:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Note that there is no externally visible differences between the actions Boise State would take if (1) they are just playing hardball in their negotiations with the MWC, but fully expect to be playing in the MWC for the duration of this coming media contract and (2) they are working hard to engineer a pretext for leaving that saves any exit fee money if they can talk the AAC into giving them the open AAC spot as a FB-only school.

Either way they have to give every visible indication of being seriously preparing to pack their bags and go.

Indeed, this is why sometimes (1) ends up being the same as (2) if the negotiations do not go well ... you have to make it look like the door is open for you to leave to drive the hardest bargain, but then once you do that, if the other side calls your bluff you may end up just changing your mind about whether you were bluffing.

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(01-23-2020 03:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 01:19 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NMSU would be the easiest option as the MW wouldn’t be raiding CUSA.

That makes it easier to the MWC ... how, exactly?

Easier for NMSU to join, to be sure, ...

... but UTEP would take the invite, so just as easy to offer it to UTEP ... and the MWC would prefer UTEP.

The gift to NMSU is if CUSA uses them to replace UTEP.

Easiest because the MW wouldn’t be seen raiding a conference.

"Being seen as" raiding a conference doesn't cost the MWC anything.

Quote: NMSU doesn’t have an exit fee.

The MWC doesn't PAY the exit fee ... you are raising a point I had already answered when I said "easier for NMSU to join, to be sure".

Quote: Besides if the MW took UTEP, CUSA would take Texas St instead and Tx St would love to be in CUSA West.

That's no skin off of the MWC's nose (though it might have a similar impact on NMSU as the scenario I mentioned, since if the SBC was looking for volunteers to take up a FB-only spot, NMSU would surely be among those with their hands up).

You add all of those points to the balance alongside of "the MWC would rather have UTEP" and it does not change the balance one iota.

I think a huge thing that would make things really interesting here would be if we hear of noise from San Diego St looking at other conferences as well.... That would make things that much more interesting IMO.

(01-24-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a huge thing that would make things really interesting here would be if we hear of noise from San Diego St looking at other conferences as well.... That would make things that much more interesting IMO.

Yes, everybody here knows that is what you are hoping for.

Gotta love the success stories of football-only membership.

Love a guy from a school with zero football success coaching us on football decisions

(01-24-2020 12:30 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-23-2020 11:57 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

Wow. What a crazy happening here... Now, I notice the tweet was from a non blue checkmark guy there, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.... But still... potential huge news...

Like I said earlier today, this could easily happen for the 2020 season. Got about 6 weeks before Temple joined the Big East in 2012....

I don’t believe any of it. The Big Sky has no baseball or women’s swimming & diving, so Boise has to find a home for those two programs. The WCC and Boise State are a bad fit. A non-private school which would instantly be the lowest rated academic school in the conference. Boise State brings nothing to the WCC.

Well Boise doesn’t have baseball...at least not yet. The WAC has several Big Sky teams affiliated with WAC baseball and swimming and diving...unless those are under the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation.

(01-24-2020 08:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think a huge thing that would make things really interesting here would be if we hear of noise from San Diego St looking at other conferences as well.... That would make things that much more interesting IMO.

Yes, everybody here knows that is what you are hoping for.

Gotta love the success stories of football-only membership.

They're appearantly better then the stories of giving 1 school preferential treatment from the looks of things....

MWC sold the farm to get Boise back in 2012.

Will Big Sky give Boise the "Idaho deal"

If Boise is serous about leaving, the Big Sky for everything but football would be their best bet

If BYU, Boise and SDSU were all independent, don't you think they could jointly negotiate a pretty nice bowl tie-in in Southern California or Arizona that matches them against a PAC or Big XII opponent?

(01-24-2020 08:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  If BYU, Boise and SDSU were all independent, don't you think they could jointly negotiate a pretty nice bowl tie-in in Southern California or Arizona that matches them against a PAC or Big XII opponent?

I don't think Boise and SDSU would go independent-BYU is a different animal. I think Boise in particular cares more about a G5 spot. I kind of think part of why Boise would be looking to move is this season quite frankly, where they had only 1 loss and no chance of getting into the G5 slot.

(01-24-2020 08:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  If BYU, Boise and SDSU were all independent, don't you think they could jointly negotiate a pretty nice bowl tie-in in Southern California or Arizona that matches them against a PAC or Big XII opponent?

Not really, they would have to create a new bowl. All the other bowls already have conference tie-ins. The MAC or MW might give their spot from the Potato Bowl though.

(01-24-2020 08:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  If BYU, Boise and SDSU were all independent, don't you think they could jointly negotiate a pretty nice bowl tie-in in Southern California or Arizona that matches them against a PAC or Big XII opponent?

No.