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Anyone have a link to the post game?

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National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
JMU was the better team in 2017 and lost because NDSU played a better game that day. NDSU was the better team this year and JMU, even with a few bad breaks, had a chance to force OT at the end. The NDSU QB was the difference, that kid killed the Dukes. Still a great season.


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Yeah kinda gotta hang a lot of this game on the defense not being able to stop the NDSU QB. The Bison gashed the Dukes for well over 250 yards on the ground which we haven't seen all season. Thought the offense played well enough to win but that fake FG was a killer. Still trying to figure out some of the play calling on the last drive with Gage in but I am sure Coach C will get asked about that at the presser on Monday.

In any event even though I am disappointed in yesterdays outcome the Dukes still had a great season that I am in no way unhappy about. Finishing 14-2 and going to the NC was a great accomplishment. Just disappointed that the team couldn't finish it off. Gotta give a lot of credit to NDSU for their game plan and execution yesterday, they played very well.

Go Dukes!!

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RE: National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
Very well said Brian. I too am proud of the great season the Dukes had. The entire JMU Nation is disappointed to not bring home the trophy but it was an outstanding season with a lot of outstanding play.

Thank you players!
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RE: National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
(01-12-2020 04:14 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 07:24 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 07:19 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 07:16 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 07:09 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Just keep feeding the insecurity stereotype. Some guys jack up their trucks, apparently bison fans feel the need to routinely remind everyone about their FCS dominance. It's ok dude, i heard its the motion of the ocean not the size of the ship

I'm perfectly satisfied with the height of my pickup, thank you very much. Perhaps if your fanbase had shown just a hint of humility and grace, it wouldn't feel so good to teabag you.

Oh no, you folks up in Fargo just cant stand it when another team's fans think they are going to win. God forbid every FCS fanbase doesnt lay down before the almighty bison. And even after you won and JMU fans have congratulated you on this board, Bisonville and AGS you still come here acting like a little prick

You're right, I'm a little prick. Such a little prick, that I can't fit 8 championship rings on my very little prick. At most I can fit 3, maybe 4, but the 5th I just balance on top!

I can think of a place for all 8 rings, and it’s not on your fingers. But based on your attitude I’m confident all 8 rings will fit inside you.

I thought you said you were gonna come up with original excuses? Btw, look, I’m back...and SHOCKER, I was right. See, we’re not frustrated or disgusted with you having confidence and supporting your team, but DO NOT tell us you’re going to kick our a$$e$ and we’ll be crying. Be somewhat respectful. MANY of your fans were laughing at how we thought it would even be close. PLEASE. You’ve learned.
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Thank you for coming back. It’s a blessing to have you guys here. Even the guys trolling. #blessed
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RE: National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
(01-08-2020 05:42 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 05:03 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  
(01-06-2020 11:11 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  That's funny - you're going to compare the 2019-2020 JMU Dukes to the 2013-2014 Towson Tigers? Lost. All. Credibility.

That team had no defense and relied on a stud NFL-bound RB. They ran their way through the playoffs against other teams with no defense (Eastern Ill. and EWU).

You are right about one thing, the NDSU players will just stand there starring as they watch JMU "dancin and clwnin'" in the end zone with each score. If attitude wins this game, JMU should be heavily favored!

not comparing teams.

comparing the dancin & cockiness.... hopefully im proven wrong saturday morning by it.
so carry on... oh it was Jacksonville St not Towson

JSU? Your analogy grows weaker by the post.

About the time NDSU fans wake up and realize their smelly Bison are getting schooled on Saturday is the time we’ll start hearing the excuses...

”We’re young”
“JMU has transfers”
“Our QB is a freshmen, NDSU will win the next three NC while JMU slides back into obscurity”
“JMU OL holds”
“JMU...(you fill in the blank)”

I can almost hear the whining and crying on the bisonville board now. Pathetic. Please act like grown adults after you lose.

You didn’t think a statement like that was something we were just going to gloss over after yesterday did you? Do you need a hug cupcake?
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RE: National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
(01-09-2020 11:26 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 03:05 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 10:51 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 05:42 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 05:03 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  not comparing teams.

comparing the dancin & cockiness.... hopefully im proven wrong saturday morning by it.
so carry on... oh it was Jacksonville St not Towson

JSU? Your analogy grows weaker by the post.

About the time NDSU fans wake up and realize their smelly Bison are getting schooled on Saturday is the time we’ll start hearing the excuses...

”We’re young”
“JMU has transfers”
“Our QB is a freshmen, NDSU will win the next three NC while JMU slides back into obscurity”
“JMU OL holds”
“JMU...(you fill in the blank)”

I can almost hear the whining and crying on the bisonville board now. Pathetic. Please act like grown adults after you lose.

HAHA SUre JAN. we've only lost 8 times in 9 years, please tell us how to lose!

We all know NDSU hasn’t lost often, that’s why NDSU fans apparently commit the sin of crying and whining so much when it happens.

Understandably, when losing occurs, Bison fans quickly enter the denial stage of acceptance, all the while grasping at any excuse as to why the loss happened. But that predictable response to a loss is the way with most sinners, and it’s one of the many reasons why God made JMU in His own image.

In this case, it’s so JMU can teach NDSU fans about how to lose with grace. Another reason God made JMU in His own image is so Bison fans can catch a glimpse of incarnate perfection in the body of JMU, with the eventual goal of helping Bison fans have their “come to Jesus” moment and convert on the road to Frisco (much like Paul of Taurus), and learn to honor and deeply respect their superior in higher education, JMU.

Of course there’s no charge for JMU helping Bison fans learn to lose with grace. It’s all part of God’s plan. 04-cheers

Amen.

Guess we’re gonna go to hell for defying god’s will. Oh well, the road down below is paved with titles.
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RE: National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
Just arrived home safe and sound... had few questions and a comment or two. It’s probably been covered, but I have not had time to read all the posts. Anyway, how did the TV production for the game go? Was it positive for the school and FCS? Were the announcers all NDSU fanboys? I wonder how may eyes were on the game. I was underwhelmed with the whole experience and thought the NCAA in game contests were poorly executed. Didn’t get to hear enough from the bands, and the toilets would not flush in the club area..

.. anyway, the issues and problems in the actual game Play were obvious. No fresh take here. But I will say this, when my wife, who admittedly knows little about the X‘s and O’s of the game, says “watch out for a fake field goal” it can only mean that was a monumental blunder for us not to be prepared for what happened. Almost rises to the level of unconscionable. I really thought Wayne Davis would be the X factor for us in containing Lance. How much is he’s just awesome and how much is we didn’t have the best game plan? IDK. I Was upset we didn’t take the top off a few times. Honestly, I think to the man we have the better team, but they had that QB and we played stupid, afraid to lose football.

What say you?
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(01-12-2020 05:11 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Just arrived home safe and sound... had few questions and a comment or two. It’s probably been covered, but I have not had time to read all the posts. Anyway, how did the TV production for the game go? Was it positive for the school and FCS? Were the announcers all NDSU fanboys? I wonder how may eyes were on the game. I was underwhelmed with the whole experience and thought the NCAA in game contests were poorly executed. Didn’t get to hear enough from the bands, and the toilets would not flush in the club area..

.. anyway, the issues and problems in the actual game Play were obvious. No fresh take here. But I will say this, when my wife, who admittedly knows little about the X‘s and O’s of the game, says “watch out for a fake field goal” it can only mean that was a monumental blunder for us not to be prepared for what happened. Almost rises to the level of unconscionable. I really thought Wayne Davis would be the X factor for us in containing Lance. How much is he’s just awesome and how much is we didn’t have the best game plan? IDK. I Was upset we didn’t take the top off a few times. Honestly, I think to the man we have the better team, but they had that QB and we played stupid, afraid to lose football.

What say you?

The TV broadcast was pretty good. As expected, it slanted NDSU in my opinion and that other casual fans (non-JMU) who watched here with us.

I don’t really understand the decisions we made defensive playing man coverage on 3rd and long as well as the lack of a spy on their QB for the majority of the game.

I didn’t have much issue with anything else we did. I could nit pick the play calling in the red zone, but I can understand each call even when I don’t agree with it. Nothing left me scratching my head at any point.
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RE: National Championship JMU Versus NDSU January 11, 2020
(01-12-2020 05:00 PM)ATLBison Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 05:42 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 05:03 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  
(01-06-2020 11:11 PM)Yesolitis Wrote:  That's funny - you're going to compare the 2019-2020 JMU Dukes to the 2013-2014 Towson Tigers? Lost. All. Credibility.

That team had no defense and relied on a stud NFL-bound RB. They ran their way through the playoffs against other teams with no defense (Eastern Ill. and EWU).

You are right about one thing, the NDSU players will just stand there starring as they watch JMU "dancin and clwnin'" in the end zone with each score. If attitude wins this game, JMU should be heavily favored!

not comparing teams.

comparing the dancin & cockiness.... hopefully im proven wrong saturday morning by it.
so carry on... oh it was Jacksonville St not Towson

JSU? Your analogy grows weaker by the post.

About the time NDSU fans wake up and realize their smelly Bison are getting schooled on Saturday is the time we’ll start hearing the excuses...

”We’re young”
“JMU has transfers”
“Our QB is a freshmen, NDSU will win the next three NC while JMU slides back into obscurity”
“JMU OL holds”
“JMU...(you fill in the blank)”

I can almost hear the whining and crying on the bisonville board now. Pathetic. Please act like grown adults after you lose.

You didn’t think a statement like that was something we were just going to gloss over after yesterday did you? Do you need a hug cupcake?

Cupcake? Such a good sport you are. I’m sure your mother is proud.
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(01-12-2020 06:31 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Nothing left me scratching my head at any point.

Not being prepared for a fake field goal from a kicker who had not attempted a kick yet this season should have had you scratching your head. As an outsider that seemed awfully obvious what was coming, and the defense was not even remotely ready for it.
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Ratings for the game. Nice expsoure.

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(01-14-2020 11:06 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 06:31 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Nothing left me scratching my head at any point.

Not being prepared for a fake field goal from a kicker who had not attempted a kick yet this season should have had you scratching your head. As an outsider that seemed awfully obvious what was coming, and the defense was not even remotely ready for it.

Likely a lot of hindsight bias in your post.

The kicker was our starting kicker to open the season but got injured shortly thereafter. He also didn’t touch the ball during the play and had no effect on the outcome.

The holder, one of our starting safeties and the guy who made the game-ending interception, is also one of two holders.

So really nothing amiss with the personnel. Just a well-timed and executed play.
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(01-12-2020 05:11 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Just arrived home safe and sound... had few questions and a comment or two. It’s probably been covered, but I have not had time to read all the posts. Anyway, how did the TV production for the game go? Was it positive for the school and FCS? Were the announcers all NDSU fanboys? I wonder how may eyes were on the game. I was underwhelmed with the whole experience and thought the NCAA in game contests were poorly executed. Didn’t get to hear enough from the bands, and the toilets would not flush in the club area..

.. anyway, the issues and problems in the actual game Play were obvious. No fresh take here. But I will say this, when my wife, who admittedly knows little about the X‘s and O’s of the game, says “watch out for a fake field goal” it can only mean that was a monumental blunder for us not to be prepared for what happened. Almost rises to the level of unconscionable. I really thought Wayne Davis would be the X factor for us in containing Lance. How much is he’s just awesome and how much is we didn’t have the best game plan? IDK. I Was upset we didn’t take the top off a few times. Honestly, I think to the man we have the better team, but they had that QB and we played stupid, afraid to lose football.

What say you?

I thought the quality of the television broadcast was good. The announcers, on the other hand, were seriously NDSU star-struck. They were positively gushing over how wonderful and fabulous they are.....with not a lot of praise for the JMU team. I thought the funniest thing they did was when the female sideline reporter was all aglow about the Bison Nation app where people could post their travels...kept saying how wonderful and unique it was....I wanted to send her a copy of the JMU Nation app that does the same thing. But that would have spoiled their infatuation. I do give props to the camera folks who did a pretty good job of dividing their shots between JMU and NDSU fans.
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(01-14-2020 12:32 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 11:06 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 06:31 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Nothing left me scratching my head at any point.

Not being prepared for a fake field goal from a kicker who had not attempted a kick yet this season should have had you scratching your head. As an outsider that seemed awfully obvious what was coming, and the defense was not even remotely ready for it.

Likely a lot of hindsight bias in your post.

The kicker was our starting kicker to open the season but got injured shortly thereafter. He also didn’t touch the ball during the play and had no effect on the outcome.

The holder, one of our starting safeties and the guy who made the game-ending interception, is also one of two holders.

So really nothing amiss with the personnel. Just a well-timed and executed play.

Nope. I am not tied to either team and as soon as the announcer said he hasn't attempted a kick, I immediately "here comes a fake". So there was no bias of any kind in my sentiment. I would assume the coaches actually know each others personnel so they would have known that information, whereas I would not have had a clue if it werent for the announcers stating such a fact.
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(01-14-2020 01:37 PM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:32 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 11:06 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 06:31 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Nothing left me scratching my head at any point.

Not being prepared for a fake field goal from a kicker who had not attempted a kick yet this season should have had you scratching your head. As an outsider that seemed awfully obvious what was coming, and the defense was not even remotely ready for it.

Likely a lot of hindsight bias in your post.

The kicker was our starting kicker to open the season but got injured shortly thereafter. He also didn’t touch the ball during the play and had no effect on the outcome.

The holder, one of our starting safeties and the guy who made the game-ending interception, is also one of two holders.

So really nothing amiss with the personnel. Just a well-timed and executed play.

Nope. I am not tied to either team and as soon as the announcer said he hasn't attempted a kick, I immediately "here comes a fake". So there was no bias of any kind in my sentiment. I would assume the coaches actually know each others personnel so they would have known that information, whereas I would not have had a clue if it werent for the announcers stating such a fact.

Based on your reply you either didn’t really read what I wrote or you just aren’t aware of your own hindsight bias. I may be preaching to the choir here, but I’ll try again in simpler terms.

The kicker in question had one kick all season prior to the championship game. He was injured in the first game of the season during his first kick. He is/was our starting kicker who is now finally healthy. Having our original starting kicker (who is now finally healthy) on the field is in no way indicative of a fake. Also, remember he didn’t touch the ball on the play in question and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

The person who was involved in the fake and actually touched the ball and ran the fake, the holder, is one of 2 holders who rotated and is listed as so on our 2-deep. Again, no obvious indication of a fake there.
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(01-14-2020 02:04 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 01:37 PM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:32 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 11:06 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 06:31 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Nothing left me scratching my head at any point.

Not being prepared for a fake field goal from a kicker who had not attempted a kick yet this season should have had you scratching your head. As an outsider that seemed awfully obvious what was coming, and the defense was not even remotely ready for it.

Likely a lot of hindsight bias in your post.

The kicker was our starting kicker to open the season but got injured shortly thereafter. He also didn’t touch the ball during the play and had no effect on the outcome.

The holder, one of our starting safeties and the guy who made the game-ending interception, is also one of two holders.

So really nothing amiss with the personnel. Just a well-timed and executed play.

Nope. I am not tied to either team and as soon as the announcer said he hasn't attempted a kick, I immediately "here comes a fake". So there was no bias of any kind in my sentiment. I would assume the coaches actually know each others personnel so they would have known that information, whereas I would not have had a clue if it werent for the announcers stating such a fact.

Based on your reply you either didn’t really read what I wrote or you just aren’t aware of your own hindsight bias. I may be preaching to the choir here, but I’ll try again in simpler terms.

The kicker in question had one kick all season prior to the championship game. He was injured in the first game of the season during his first kick. He is/was our starting kicker who is now finally healthy. Having our original starting kicker (who is now finally healthy) on the field is in no way indicative of a fake. Also, remember he didn’t touch the ball on the play in question and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

The person who was involved in the fake and actually touched the ball and ran the fake, the holder, is one of 2 holders who rotated and is listed as so on our 2-deep. Again, no obvious indication of a fake there.

Everyone including your own fanbase knew about your kicking woes this year. NDSU ran a fake against delaware. A kicker that has only seen the field once this season even if he was your original kicker all should be red flags that something is off from what was shown on film for the majority of the season and therefore be ready for a fake
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(01-15-2020 07:15 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 02:04 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 01:37 PM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:32 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 11:06 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Not being prepared for a fake field goal from a kicker who had not attempted a kick yet this season should have had you scratching your head. As an outsider that seemed awfully obvious what was coming, and the defense was not even remotely ready for it.

Likely a lot of hindsight bias in your post.

The kicker was our starting kicker to open the season but got injured shortly thereafter. He also didn’t touch the ball during the play and had no effect on the outcome.

The holder, one of our starting safeties and the guy who made the game-ending interception, is also one of two holders.

So really nothing amiss with the personnel. Just a well-timed and executed play.

Nope. I am not tied to either team and as soon as the announcer said he hasn't attempted a kick, I immediately "here comes a fake". So there was no bias of any kind in my sentiment. I would assume the coaches actually know each others personnel so they would have known that information, whereas I would not have had a clue if it werent for the announcers stating such a fact.

Based on your reply you either didn’t really read what I wrote or you just aren’t aware of your own hindsight bias. I may be preaching to the choir here, but I’ll try again in simpler terms.

The kicker in question had one kick all season prior to the championship game. He was injured in the first game of the season during his first kick. He is/was our starting kicker who is now finally healthy. Having our original starting kicker (who is now finally healthy) on the field is in no way indicative of a fake. Also, remember he didn’t touch the ball on the play in question and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

The person who was involved in the fake and actually touched the ball and ran the fake, the holder, is one of 2 holders who rotated and is listed as so on our 2-deep. Again, no obvious indication of a fake there.

Everyone including your own fanbase knew about your kicking woes this year. NDSU ran a fake against delaware. A kicker that has only seen the field once this season even if he was your original kicker all should be red flags that something is off from what was shown on film for the majority of the season and therefore be ready for a fake

Exactly my point. I understood his point without him going slowly. A national championship game is not a game where your kicker makes his first attempt, regardless if he was your starter prior to an injury. This is especially true early in a game that is going your way. I would venture to say if that didnt raise any flags for a fake, that person is really dense and may not understand enough about football or is extremely underprepared.
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(01-15-2020 07:24 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 02:04 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 01:37 PM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:32 PM)Bison01 Wrote:  Likely a lot of hindsight bias in your post.

The kicker was our starting kicker to open the season but got injured shortly thereafter. He also didn’t touch the ball during the play and had no effect on the outcome.

The holder, one of our starting safeties and the guy who made the game-ending interception, is also one of two holders.

So really nothing amiss with the personnel. Just a well-timed and executed play.

Nope. I am not tied to either team and as soon as the announcer said he hasn't attempted a kick, I immediately "here comes a fake". So there was no bias of any kind in my sentiment. I would assume the coaches actually know each others personnel so they would have known that information, whereas I would not have had a clue if it werent for the announcers stating such a fact.

Based on your reply you either didn’t really read what I wrote or you just aren’t aware of your own hindsight bias. I may be preaching to the choir here, but I’ll try again in simpler terms.

The kicker in question had one kick all season prior to the championship game. He was injured in the first game of the season during his first kick. He is/was our starting kicker who is now finally healthy. Having our original starting kicker (who is now finally healthy) on the field is in no way indicative of a fake. Also, remember he didn’t touch the ball on the play in question and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

The person who was involved in the fake and actually touched the ball and ran the fake, the holder, is one of 2 holders who rotated and is listed as so on our 2-deep. Again, no obvious indication of a fake there.

Everyone including your own fanbase knew about your kicking woes this year. NDSU ran a fake against delaware. A kicker that has only seen the field once this season even if he was your original kicker all should be red flags that something is off from what was shown on film for the majority of the season and therefore be ready for a fake

Exactly my point. I understood his point without him going slowly. A national championship game is not a game where your kicker makes his first attempt, regardless if he was your starter prior to an injury. This is especially true early in a game that is going your way. I would venture to say if that didnt raise any flags for a fake, that person is really dense and may not understand enough about football or is extremely underprepared.

I’d go with not paying enough attention to the personnel and situation. It was early in the game and didn’t seem to be a situation where they *needed* a fake, but it was at a point on the field where it made sense for them, particularly given their kicker’s abilities. All of the NDSU fans expected the fake and knew it was coming. JMU fans less so. This was one of three or four pivotal points in the game, and our coaches were clearly caught off guard by it. We should have known the odds favored it given their relatively poor FG kicking, the winds, etc.
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