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(12-01-2019 11:17 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:29 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

McNeal came into UC as a 70% FT shooter so the poor FT shooting thus far must be in his head more than being a poor FT shooter... but until he can get it right in his head and gave confidence at the line he can't be on the floor with 5 mins left in a game or teams are going to foul him on purpose.

I agree it is probably in his head. I thought MAW was great in the second half I think he starts taking more mins away from him. Speaking of peoples heads Moore can not even hit shoots in the warm ups. All his shoots are right on line but either short or long. Tried to watch him at the half time warm ups and it is the same as the game.

(12-01-2019 11:29 AM)Nobones Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:17 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:29 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

McNeal came into UC as a 70% FT shooter so the poor FT shooting thus far must be in his head more than being a poor FT shooter... but until he can get it right in his head and gave confidence at the line he can't be on the floor with 5 mins left in a game or teams are going to foul him on purpose.

I agree it is probably in his head. I thought MAW was great in the second half I think he starts taking more mins away from him. Speaking of peoples heads Moore can not even hit shoots in the warm ups. All his shoots are right on line but either short or long. Tried to watch him at the half time warm ups and it is the same as the game.

I’ve watched Moore drill 10+ in a row during warm ups multiple times. It’s never translated over into game action and I don’t think it ever will.

I’d give him a pass last night as his sister passed away the day prior. Had to be a hard game for him. He was on the bench hyping up his teammates though and during timeouts. Keep him in your thoughts.

(12-01-2019 11:49 AM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:29 AM)Nobones Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:17 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:29 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

McNeal came into UC as a 70% FT shooter so the poor FT shooting thus far must be in his head more than being a poor FT shooter... but until he can get it right in his head and gave confidence at the line he can't be on the floor with 5 mins left in a game or teams are going to foul him on purpose.

I agree it is probably in his head. I thought MAW was great in the second half I think he starts taking more mins away from him. Speaking of peoples heads Moore can not even hit shoots in the warm ups. All his shoots are right on line but either short or long. Tried to watch him at the half time warm ups and it is the same as the game.

I’ve watched Moore drill 10+ in a row during warm ups multiple times. It’s never translated over into game action and I don’t think it ever will.

I’d give him a pass last night as his sister passed away the day prior. Had to be a hard game for him. He was on the bench hyping up his teammates though and during timeouts. Keep him in your thoughts.

Sorry did not know about his sister. Thoughts and pray to you Trevor and your family.

Vogt - impressive shooting touch/post moves, average to below average in every other facet of the game.
Scott - disappears on offense for extended stretches but overall not playing too bad
Keith - Same as Scott but is a much more impactful player when he's "on"
Jarron - Still finding his rhythm while trying to stay healthy; his overall production has been disappointing so far
McNeal - biggest individual letdown so far; god awful shooter
Jaevin - Needs volume to be effective; shooting 45% from 3 in games where he gets at least 7 attempts, 19% in games where he gets 6 or less.
MAW - Very encouraging past 2 games; his development will be an x-factor going forward; deserves to play starter minutes
Davenport - brings good energy, decent back-up for Scott
Diarra - offers brief flashes of brilliance but overall still too raw to be consistently effective
Harvey - reminds me of a freshman Keith with a little less polish; could be an x-factor as well if the game slows down for him soon
Moore - stuck in a minutes logjam with Harvey; hard to see him getting back into form again
Sorolla - decent in a small sample size; I think we're gonna be better with him than without him
Rob Banks - all-Bearcat name team

(12-01-2019 10:29 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

Hot water? Ice water is kind of a contradiction in and of itself.

(12-01-2019 03:29 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:29 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

Hot water? Ice water is kind of a contradiction in and of itself.

Well ice water is when you put some ice into water for a cold beverage, as opposed to just ice itself. Perhaps McNeal’s game at this point more resembles toilet water.

McNeal is the leader in the clubhouse for the 2019 New UC Guy Who Simply Could Not Be Guarded In Preseason Practices Award.

(12-01-2019 12:09 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  Vogt - impressive shooting touch/post moves, average to below average in every other facet of the game.
Scott - disappears on offense for extended stretches but overall not playing too bad
Keith - Same as Scott but is a much more impactful player when he's "on"
Jarron - Still finding his rhythm while trying to stay healthy; his overall production has been disappointing so far
McNeal - biggest individual letdown so far; god awful shooter
Jaevin - Needs volume to be effective; shooting 45% from 3 in games where he gets at least 7 attempts, 19% in games where he gets 6 or less.
MAW - Very encouraging past 2 games; his development will be an x-factor going forward; deserves to play starter minutes
Davenport - brings good energy, decent back-up for Scott
Diarra - offers brief flashes of brilliance but overall still too raw to be consistently effective
Harvey - reminds me of a freshman Keith with a little less polish; could be an x-factor as well if the game slows down for him soon
Moore - stuck in a minutes logjam with Harvey; hard to see him getting back into form again
Sorolla - decent in a small sample size; I think we're gonna be better with him than without him
Rob Banks - all-Bearcat name team

trying to find critiques in your assessment and I have none from my view watching the cats.. everything is spot on. We should (hopefully) start to see MAW take minutes from McNeal and their roles reverse which bodes well for our future.

Vogt and Tre are both serviceable down low.. I think what we see with Tre is the same as the previous year and what we see is what we get. Hoping a more polished Vogt takes shape in the new year. With a healthier Jarron and MAW getting more game action I still like the Cats as top 3 in the AAC.

Would love 3-1 against Vermont, Tennessee, Xavier, and Iowa. Still need that marquee OOC win. More likely, 2-2.

(11-26-2019 06:33 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 04:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  BY PLAYER

Jarron C. - Has struggled mightily, I think it's a combination of still not being healthy and not finding a rhythm in the new offense.
Jaevin C. - He can really shoot, and his defense has been better than expected.
McNeal - Very fast, has struggled with ball control, on ball defense, and shooting. Probably won't be starting much longer.
Scott - Has been the best rebounder on the team, but has disappeared at times.
Vogt - Good hands, good touch around the rim, limited mobility
Sorolla - Moves better than Vogt, but is soft on rebounds and on defense - hurt for 3-4 weeks
MAW - The game already appears to be slowing down for him. Very quick, decent shot, I think he'll be the starting PG soon.
Harvey - The talent is evident, but he has been out of control at times. As expected from a Freshmen. Hopefully the game slows down for him soon.
Davenport - Great motor, decent skill set. Out of control at times
Moore - Has hardly played, may still be a little hurt. He's been aggressive when he has played, but largely ineffective.
Diarra - Still kind of lost at times, but has shown flashes of potential.
Williams - About the same player as last year with a much better looking shot.

I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

Diarra is our highest rated defender (on sports reference), Moore is our third highest rated defender. It seems pretty accurate to me based on what I've seen on the court. I agree they have offensive issues (Moore more so than Diarra), but I wouldn't call them the worst on the team.

At this point my bottom two players would be McNeal and Sorolla. Above them I'd lump all the freshman and Moore together, with some being better than others depending on the day (though I'd say Davenport is thus far the best of that group).

They are the worst on the team. Its not even close