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(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  BY PLAYER

Jarron C. - Has struggled mightily, I think it's a combination of still not being healthy and not finding a rhythm in the new offense.
Jaevin C. - He can really shoot, and his defense has been better than expected.
McNeal - Very fast, has struggled with ball control, on ball defense, and shooting. Probably won't be starting much longer.
Scott - Has been the best rebounder on the team, but has disappeared at times.
Vogt - Good hands, good touch around the rim, limited mobility
Sorolla - Moves better than Vogt, but is soft on rebounds and on defense - hurt for 3-4 weeks
MAW - The game already appears to be slowing down for him. Very quick, decent shot, I think he'll be the starting PG soon.
Harvey - The talent is evident, but he has been out of control at times. As expected from a Freshmen. Hopefully the game slows down for him soon.
Davenport - Great motor, decent skill set. Out of control at times
Moore - Has hardly played, may still be a little hurt. He's been aggressive when he has played, but largely ineffective.
Diarra - Still kind of lost at times, but has shown flashes of potential.
Williams - About the same player as last year with a much better looking shot.

I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

(11-26-2019 03:17 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Only a small part of Jarron's problems are physical and I am not sure they are getting resolved.

Who knows what he was told by Brannen on the system or how he’d be utilized when he made his decision to return. So far it looks like he may have been better served to spend a year making a couple hundred grand in Europe.

(11-26-2019 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:19 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Apologist for the losing coach, dislike for the guy that wins.

Is this a generational thing? Lol

Which guy that wins do I dislike? I'm confused.

This coach is 5 games into a new job. There's nothing to be an apologist for.

(11-26-2019 04:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  BY PLAYER

Jarron C. - Has struggled mightily, I think it's a combination of still not being healthy and not finding a rhythm in the new offense.
Jaevin C. - He can really shoot, and his defense has been better than expected.
McNeal - Very fast, has struggled with ball control, on ball defense, and shooting. Probably won't be starting much longer.
Scott - Has been the best rebounder on the team, but has disappeared at times.
Vogt - Good hands, good touch around the rim, limited mobility
Sorolla - Moves better than Vogt, but is soft on rebounds and on defense - hurt for 3-4 weeks
MAW - The game already appears to be slowing down for him. Very quick, decent shot, I think he'll be the starting PG soon.
Harvey - The talent is evident, but he has been out of control at times. As expected from a Freshmen. Hopefully the game slows down for him soon.
Davenport - Great motor, decent skill set. Out of control at times
Moore - Has hardly played, may still be a little hurt. He's been aggressive when he has played, but largely ineffective.
Diarra - Still kind of lost at times, but has shown flashes of potential.
Williams - About the same player as last year with a much better looking shot.

I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

Diarra is our highest rated defender (on sports reference), Moore is our third highest rated defender. It seems pretty accurate to me based on what I've seen on the court. I agree they have offensive issues (Moore more so than Diarra), but I wouldn't call them the worst on the team.

At this point my bottom two players would be McNeal and Sorolla. Above them I'd lump all the freshman and Moore together, with some being better than others depending on the day (though I'd say Davenport is thus far the best of that group).

(11-26-2019 02:39 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Roster turnover is bunk.

UC effectively only lost Brooks to transfer and Jennifer to graduation. We back filled with upgrades over the bench guys who moved on.

What does that even mean? What sport do they NOT talk about it taking a while for new players to gel? The majority of our team is new players learning a new scheme who haven't played together before.

You also forgot Broome. Yes we filled in with new players but they're all learning on the fly including the other players that were already here.

I'm sure you remember that Broome sat out a year and practiced for a year with the team as he was learning a new system
It's a big difference than starting out learning a new system. These guys will be fun to watch when they get a few more games under their belt unless we have more injuries

(11-26-2019 04:17 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 03:17 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Only a small part of Jarron's problems are physical and I am not sure they are getting resolved.

What are you basing this on? He was hurt a good portion of the offseason and is hurt now.

I agree a lot of it is mental but I think saying only a small part is physical seems off base unless you know something else.

Something else. Brannen has handled this well, but the needle is moving towards the Tavion Thomas red zone.

He’s been that way since High School. Old staff managed it, new staff needs to figure out the right balance, too.

(11-26-2019 07:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He’s been that way since High School. Old staff managed it, new staff needs to figure out the right balance, too.

Mick also played guys hurts and let them rest up instead of killing them in practice. Clark, Evans, and SK basically played injured during the final month of the season.

Brannen is basically the wrong coach for this team. He needs to kill it the next few recruiting cycles or he won’t be able to last here.

What pains me is that he needed to mesh Cronin system with his own to make things work and he hasn’t. His game management is confusing and it’s almost like the UC job is too big for him at the moment. He has some time to get it together but anything less than the NIT is disaster.

(11-26-2019 07:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 07:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He’s been that way since High School. Old staff managed it, new staff needs to figure out the right balance, too.

Mick also played guys hurts and let them rest up instead of killing them in practice. Clark, Evans, and SK basically played injured during the final month of the season.

Brannen is basically the wrong coach for this team. He needs to kill it the next few recruiting cycles or he won’t be able to last here.

What pains me is that he needed to mesh Cronin system with his own to make things work and he hasn’t. His game management is confusing and it’s almost like the UC job is too big for him at the moment. He has some time to get it together but anything less than the NIT is disaster.

You need to lay off the hooch, brother. Anyone who thinks that can definitively say that Brannen is the wrong coach after six games should not have his or her opinion taken seriously.

And, of course, his future here hinges on his recruiting. Just like Mick's fading recruitment affected his success at UC.

(11-26-2019 06:33 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 04:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  BY PLAYER

Jarron C. - Has struggled mightily, I think it's a combination of still not being healthy and not finding a rhythm in the new offense.
Jaevin C. - He can really shoot, and his defense has been better than expected.
McNeal - Very fast, has struggled with ball control, on ball defense, and shooting. Probably won't be starting much longer.
Scott - Has been the best rebounder on the team, but has disappeared at times.
Vogt - Good hands, good touch around the rim, limited mobility
Sorolla - Moves better than Vogt, but is soft on rebounds and on defense - hurt for 3-4 weeks
MAW - The game already appears to be slowing down for him. Very quick, decent shot, I think he'll be the starting PG soon.
Harvey - The talent is evident, but he has been out of control at times. As expected from a Freshmen. Hopefully the game slows down for him soon.
Davenport - Great motor, decent skill set. Out of control at times
Moore - Has hardly played, may still be a little hurt. He's been aggressive when he has played, but largely ineffective.
Diarra - Still kind of lost at times, but has shown flashes of potential.
Williams - About the same player as last year with a much better looking shot.

I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

Diarra is our highest rated defender (on sports reference), Moore is our third highest rated defender. It seems pretty accurate to me based on what I've seen on the court. I agree they have offensive issues (Moore more so than Diarra), but I wouldn't call them the worst on the team.

At this point my bottom two players would be McNeal and Sorolla. Above them I'd lump all the freshman and Moore together, with some being better than others depending on the day (though I'd say Davenport is thus far the best of that group).

If I'm reading your last paragraph correctly, you're saying Diarra is the 6th-best player on the team. Is there an omission, or is that correct?

(11-26-2019 07:41 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 06:33 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 04:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  BY PLAYER

Jarron C. - Has struggled mightily, I think it's a combination of still not being healthy and not finding a rhythm in the new offense.
Jaevin C. - He can really shoot, and his defense has been better than expected.
McNeal - Very fast, has struggled with ball control, on ball defense, and shooting. Probably won't be starting much longer.
Scott - Has been the best rebounder on the team, but has disappeared at times.
Vogt - Good hands, good touch around the rim, limited mobility
Sorolla - Moves better than Vogt, but is soft on rebounds and on defense - hurt for 3-4 weeks
MAW - The game already appears to be slowing down for him. Very quick, decent shot, I think he'll be the starting PG soon.
Harvey - The talent is evident, but he has been out of control at times. As expected from a Freshmen. Hopefully the game slows down for him soon.
Davenport - Great motor, decent skill set. Out of control at times
Moore - Has hardly played, may still be a little hurt. He's been aggressive when he has played, but largely ineffective.
Diarra - Still kind of lost at times, but has shown flashes of potential.
Williams - About the same player as last year with a much better looking shot.

I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

Diarra is our highest rated defender (on sports reference), Moore is our third highest rated defender. It seems pretty accurate to me based on what I've seen on the court. I agree they have offensive issues (Moore more so than Diarra), but I wouldn't call them the worst on the team.

At this point my bottom two players would be McNeal and Sorolla. Above them I'd lump all the freshman and Moore together, with some being better than others depending on the day (though I'd say Davenport is thus far the best of that group).

If I'm reading your last paragraph correctly, you're saying Diarra is the 6th-best player on the team. Is there an omission, or is that correct?

That is correct.

(11-26-2019 06:33 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 04:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 01:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  BY PLAYER

Jarron C. - Has struggled mightily, I think it's a combination of still not being healthy and not finding a rhythm in the new offense.
Jaevin C. - He can really shoot, and his defense has been better than expected.
McNeal - Very fast, has struggled with ball control, on ball defense, and shooting. Probably won't be starting much longer.
Scott - Has been the best rebounder on the team, but has disappeared at times.
Vogt - Good hands, good touch around the rim, limited mobility
Sorolla - Moves better than Vogt, but is soft on rebounds and on defense - hurt for 3-4 weeks
MAW - The game already appears to be slowing down for him. Very quick, decent shot, I think he'll be the starting PG soon.
Harvey - The talent is evident, but he has been out of control at times. As expected from a Freshmen. Hopefully the game slows down for him soon.
Davenport - Great motor, decent skill set. Out of control at times
Moore - Has hardly played, may still be a little hurt. He's been aggressive when he has played, but largely ineffective.
Diarra - Still kind of lost at times, but has shown flashes of potential.
Williams - About the same player as last year with a much better looking shot.

I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

Diarra is our highest rated defender (on sports reference), Moore is our third highest rated defender. It seems pretty accurate to me based on what I've seen on the court. I agree they have offensive issues (Moore more so than Diarra), but I wouldn't call them the worst on the team.

At this point my bottom two players would be McNeal and Sorolla. Above them I'd lump all the freshman and Moore together, with some being better than others depending on the day (though I'd say Davenport is thus far the best of that group).

Yeah, uh no. There is a reason they don't get minutes, they are liabilities. During the broadcast of the BGSU game it was stated that Moore should not if even been on the floor. Offensively they are terrible, and since the name basketball implies actually putting the ball in the basket, they will continue to get limited minutes.

(11-26-2019 07:57 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 07:41 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 06:33 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 04:37 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:50 PM)skyblade Wrote:  I agree in general. I'd quibble with a few things, I don't think Sorolla moves better than Vogt and I'd add that Davenport has done an excellent job hitting the boards. I'd also add that Moore is one of our better defenders off the bench. As well as that Diarra doesn't get lost on D much, it's mostly O where he struggles. I'd also put that McNeal shouldn't start ever again, but I have never been a McNeal fan - I think the best he can give is 10-15 minutes off the bench as a high energy guy, a worse version of Cane Broome.

If I had to rank the players from first to worst, Moore and Diarra would be at the bottom. No offense to them as they both play hard. They are both lost on offense and are a liability there. I also don't think Moore is any great defender either.

Diarra is our highest rated defender (on sports reference), Moore is our third highest rated defender. It seems pretty accurate to me based on what I've seen on the court. I agree they have offensive issues (Moore more so than Diarra), but I wouldn't call them the worst on the team.

At this point my bottom two players would be McNeal and Sorolla. Above them I'd lump all the freshman and Moore together, with some being better than others depending on the day (though I'd say Davenport is thus far the best of that group).

If I'm reading your last paragraph correctly, you're saying Diarra is the 6th-best player on the team. Is there an omission, or is that correct?

That is correct.

My biggest concern so far this season is the rebounding and defense. I will wait to see how the season goes before judge the coach, six games is just not enough. Personally I think coach Brannen needs to a better job handling Jarron he is the best player on the team and most stars get treated different. Also I would like to see the starting line up to be.

Jaevin
Jarron
KW
Scott
Vogt

(11-28-2019 12:13 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  My biggest concern so far this season is the rebounding and defense. I will wait to see how the season goes before judge the coach, six games is just not enough. Personally I think coach Brannen needs to a better job handling Jarron he is the best player on the team and most stars get treated different. Also I would like to see the starting line up to be.

Jaevin
Jarron
KW
Scott
Vogt

I agree with your starting lineup. Put the ball in Jarron's hands and surround him with the 4 next-best players on the team.

Haven't been watching a ton of sports. Family life and work take precedence. Didn't realize they had lost to Bowling Green. Glad they won tonight.. listened on 700 wlw on my phone

(11-30-2019 09:31 PM)BearcatDave Wrote:  Haven't been watching a ton of sports. Family life and work take precedence. Didn't realize they had lost to Bowling Green. Glad they won tonight.. listened on 700 wlw on my phone

BGSU started fouling UC with under 4 mins left and came back from down I think. UC bricked FT after FT. Just a horrible job by the Cats closing out a game.

(11-30-2019 09:37 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 09:31 PM)BearcatDave Wrote:  Haven't been watching a ton of sports. Family life and work take precedence. Didn't realize they had lost to Bowling Green. Glad they won tonight.. listened on 700 wlw on my phone

BGSU started fouling UC with under 4 mins left and came back from down I think. UC bricked FT after FT. Just a horrible job by the Cats closing out a game.

Was at the game last night. Coach figured out not to have Mcneil in the game at the end and get it to Cumberland at the end. He just had to miss a couple this time in regulation but made them in OT.

I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

(12-01-2019 10:29 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t know whats wrong with McNeal but you can’t have your PG be that lousy from the line to close out games, opposite of ice water in his veins right now.

McNeal came into UC as a 70% FT shooter so the poor FT shooting thus far must be in his head more than being a poor FT shooter... but until he can get it right in his head and gave confidence at the line he can't be on the floor with 5 mins left in a game or teams are going to foul him on purpose.