Ohio State has more wins against the top 25 than Clemson and Alabama {Cincinnati, Indiana, Wisconsin). Clemson has zero. Alabama has zero. But esayem continues to rip on their schedule. Hilarious.

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(11-10-2019 04:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  Ohio State has more wins against the top 25 than Clemson and Alabama {Cincinnati, Indiana, Wisconsin). Clemson has zero. Alabama has zero. But esayem continues to rip on their schedule. Hilarious.

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And OSU still has PSU, Michigan and Minny/Whisky in the CCG.

OSU didn’t play a P5 team OOC, neither did Wisconsin. Are those great schedules?

(11-10-2019 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  OSU didn’t play a P5 team OOC, neither did Wisconsin. Are those great schedules?

They had TCU on the schedule, it got changed. Miami of Ohio was scheduled in place. As far as SOS, they are lightyears ahead of Clemson and Alabama. P5 doesn't mean jack.

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Well losing the TCU game hurts.

I just don’t think the Big Ten is top to bottom as strong as it’s being touted. It’s like, my opinion, man.

If they dominate postseason, then I’ll admit I’m wrong.

(11-10-2019 05:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  OSU didn’t play a P5 team OOC, neither did Wisconsin. Are those great schedules?

They had TCU on the schedule, it got changed. Miami of Ohio was scheduled in place. As far as SOS, they are lightyears ahead of Clemson and Alabama. P5 doesn't mean jack.

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Yes, unfortunately they lost a P5 ooc game this year. I guess if Ohio State had Duke, Vanderbilt, Oregon State etc... on their schedule he'd be happier?

I'm hitting the time clock on this debate and calling it a day.

Wishing health and happiness to all of you!

(11-10-2019 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  OSU didn’t play a P5 team OOC, neither did Wisconsin. Are those great schedules?

Now you are in Davidst territory. There are a few elites and semi elites and then anyone can beat anyone.

(11-10-2019 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  OSU didn’t play a P5 team OOC, neither did Wisconsin. Are those great schedules?

They also play 9 conference games to the ACC and SECs 8.

Alabama only played 9 P5s—you’re not going after their schedule

I didn’t make the rules, obviously playing P5 teams OOC is more important to some conferences than others. If you don’t have one on your OOC schedule, you open yourselves up to criticism.

Really, it’s why this eye test playoff selection process is a sham. They need to expand it and issue auto-bids. That way, there are actual attainable milestones set to ensure an invitation. This is one scenario where I wish the NCAA was in charge.

(11-10-2019 06:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  OSU didn’t play a P5 team OOC, neither did Wisconsin. Are those great schedules?

They also play 9 conference games to the ACC and SECs 8.

Alabama only played 9 P5s—you’re not going after their schedule

Their OOC schedule was weak too, but I saw them get beat last night, so it doesn’t apply haha.

(11-10-2019 06:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  I didn’t make the rules, obviously playing P5 teams OOC is more important to some conferences than others. If you don’t have one on your OOC schedule, you open yourselves up to criticism.

Really, it’s why this eye test playoff selection process is a sham. They need to expand it and issue auto-bids. That way, there are actual attainable milestones set to ensure an invitation. This is one scenario where I wish the NCAA was in charge.

It would be great, but then the ACC would be at risk of losing money.

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The ACC is more at risk losing playoff money now than if they had an auto-bid.

(11-10-2019 05:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well losing the TCU game hurts.

I just don’t think the Big Ten is top to bottom as strong as it’s being touted. It’s like, my opinion, man.

If they dominate postseason, then I’ll admit I’m wrong.

I'm with you.

They definitely have the best out of conference record. But we'll see in bowl season if that holds up.

(11-10-2019 07:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 05:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well losing the TCU game hurts.

I just don’t think the Big Ten is top to bottom as strong as it’s being touted. It’s like, my opinion, man.

If they dominate postseason, then I’ll admit I’m wrong.

I'm with you.

They definitely have the best out of conference record. But we'll see in bowl season if that holds up.

The best out of conference record against whom? Mid tier PAC schools, USF, small privates like Vanderbilt, TCU, Iowa State, and the usual MAC casualties, and Pitt?

Michigan / Notre Dame is their best OOC game all year.

I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

This years schedule was a one-off. Ohio State is right back to having a minimum of 10 P5 games next year with Oregon being the OOC game.

(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

The top of the Big 10 is smaller than usual. I think you have Ohio State at the top. Then I think you have Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota step below, but a big step. Wisconsin is in between those 3 and Ohio State IMO. Where the Big 10 is improved this year is that schools like Purdue and Indiana have stepped it up, but unfortunately schools like Iowa and Michigan State have disappointed.

The bottom however is putrid. Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern and Nebraska have wreaked.

That said the SEC's middle has deteriorated. The bottom of the SEC is as horrible as it has been in the last 30 years or so. Vanderbilt and Arkansas are at severe low points even by Vandy's standards. South Carolina and Tennessee failed to make for a strong middle and Missouri is totally a mystery, but in a bad kind of way. South Carolina is Jekyll and Hyde.

Ole Miss, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the middle along with a disappointing Texas A&M.

The upper echelon will prove to be L.S.U., Alabama, and Georgia. Florida and Auburn are higher than expected but both have had tough schedules.

So while the SEC has some traditionally strong teams the conference as a whole is weaker this year. So much so that we won't fill our quota of bowls, and may miss that by as many as 3 unfilled bowls.

The ACC is broadest at the bottom and middle, but there isn't a program within 3 steps of Clemson.

The PAC is virtually all middle. Utah and Oregon are a step above but below Wisconsin, Auburn, and Florida, and probably on par with Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Oregon / Michigan might make a helluva Rose Bowl. The PAC doesn't have any really putrid teams like the other conferences.

The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.

So overall there is more parity, less excellence, but a larger bottom than usual which is why 5 G5 schools are ranked.

(11-10-2019 11:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

The top of the Big 10 is smaller than usual. I think you have Ohio State at the top. Then I think you have Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota step below, but a big step. Wisconsin is in between those 3 and Ohio State IMO. Where the Big 10 is improved this year is that schools like Purdue and Indiana have stepped it up, but unfortunately schools like Iowa and Michigan State have disappointed.

The bottom however is putrid. Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern and Nebraska have wreaked.

That said the SEC's middle has deteriorated. The bottom of the SEC is as horrible as it has been in the last 30 years or so. Vanderbilt and Arkansas are at severe low points even by Vandy's standards. South Carolina and Tennessee failed to make for a strong middle and Missouri is totally a mystery, but in a bad kind of way. South Carolina is Jekyll and Hyde.

Ole Miss, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the middle along with a disappointing Texas A&M.

The upper echelon will prove to be L.S.U., Alabama, and Georgia. Florida and Auburn are higher than expected but both have had tough schedules.

So while the SEC has some traditionally strong teams the conference as a whole is weaker this year. So much so that we won't fill our quota of bowls, and may miss that by as many as 3 unfilled bowls.

The ACC is broadest at the bottom and middle, but there isn't a program within 3 steps of Clemson.

The PAC is virtually all middle. Utah and Oregon are a step above but below Wisconsin, Auburn, and Florida, and probably on par with Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Oregon / Michigan might make a helluva Rose Bowl. The PAC doesn't have any really putrid teams like the other conferences.

The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.

So overall there is more parity, less excellence, but a larger bottom than usual which is why 5 G5 schools are ranked.

I'm good with seeing some of these G5 schools ranked, especially SMU.

Great assessments by yourself and Ohio 1317.

(11-10-2019 11:49 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 11:10 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This every-Sunday assessment from Ohio1317 should be required reading for all of us.

Great job.

Agreed


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Best college football thread.

(11-10-2019 11:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

The top of the Big 10 is smaller than usual. I think you have Ohio State at the top. Then I think you have Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota step below, but a big step. Wisconsin is in between those 3 and Ohio State IMO. Where the Big 10 is improved this year is that schools like Purdue and Indiana have stepped it up, but unfortunately schools like Iowa and Michigan State have disappointed.

The bottom however is putrid. Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern and Nebraska have wreaked.

That said the SEC's middle has deteriorated. The bottom of the SEC is as horrible as it has been in the last 30 years or so. Vanderbilt and Arkansas are at severe low points even by Vandy's standards. South Carolina and Tennessee failed to make for a strong middle and Missouri is totally a mystery, but in a bad kind of way. South Carolina is Jekyll and Hyde.

Ole Miss, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the middle along with a disappointing Texas A&M.

The upper echelon will prove to be L.S.U., Alabama, and Georgia. Florida and Auburn are higher than expected but both have had tough schedules.

So while the SEC has some traditionally strong teams the conference as a whole is weaker this year. So much so that we won't fill our quota of bowls, and may miss that by as many as 3 unfilled bowls.

The ACC is broadest at the bottom and middle, but there isn't a program within 3 steps of Clemson.

The PAC is virtually all middle. Utah and Oregon are a step above but below Wisconsin, Auburn, and Florida, and probably on par with Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Oregon / Michigan might make a helluva Rose Bowl. The PAC doesn't have any really putrid teams like the other conferences.

The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.

So overall there is more parity, less excellence, but a larger bottom than usual which is why 5 G5 schools are ranked.

Could it be that the middle to bottom are so thin because the top of the G5 is strong. Have to think a number of those P5 schools are being out recruited by Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, SMU, Boise, San Diego State, Houston, etc.