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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-12-2019 07:35 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

The top of the Big 10 is smaller than usual. I think you have Ohio State at the top. Then I think you have Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota step below, but a big step. Wisconsin is in between those 3 and Ohio State IMO. Where the Big 10 is improved this year is that schools like Purdue and Indiana have stepped it up, but unfortunately schools like Iowa and Michigan State have disappointed.

The bottom however is putrid. Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern and Nebraska have wreaked.

That said the SEC's middle has deteriorated. The bottom of the SEC is as horrible as it has been in the last 30 years or so. Vanderbilt and Arkansas are at severe low points even by Vandy's standards. South Carolina and Tennessee failed to make for a strong middle and Missouri is totally a mystery, but in a bad kind of way. South Carolina is Jekyll and Hyde.

Ole Miss, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the middle along with a disappointing Texas A&M.

The upper echelon will prove to be L.S.U., Alabama, and Georgia. Florida and Auburn are higher than expected but both have had tough schedules.

So while the SEC has some traditionally strong teams the conference as a whole is weaker this year. So much so that we won't fill our quota of bowls, and may miss that by as many as 3 unfilled bowls.

The ACC is broadest at the bottom and middle, but there isn't a program within 3 steps of Clemson.

The PAC is virtually all middle. Utah and Oregon are a step above but below Wisconsin, Auburn, and Florida, and probably on par with Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Oregon / Michigan might make a helluva Rose Bowl. The PAC doesn't have any really putrid teams like the other conferences.

The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.

So overall there is more parity, less excellence, but a larger bottom than usual which is why 5 G5 schools are ranked.

Could it be that the middle to bottom are so thin because the top of the G5 is strong. Have to think a number of those P5 schools are being out recruited by Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, SMU, Boise, San Diego State, Houston, etc.

No. The issue isn't recruiting. The issue is coaching. The successful schools are "developing" the talent they get. The unsuccessful ones are not.

The cream of the Power 5 exist of schools whose coaching staffs develop the talent they recruit. Then you have a long list of coaches who have been associated with talent developers in the past, but who are not talent developers themselves, but were hired with the hopes that they were.

The cream of the Gang of 5 is no different. These are coaches (usually younger and without a long history with other talent developers) who also know how to develop talent but their history is in doing it at a lower level where the other component is not present, the development and containment of boosters. Where the fail occurs between top G5 coaching talent and top P5 coaching talent is that the top P5 coaches are better at smoozing donors and delegating authority to subordinates. Gus Malzahn can't delegate authority except to the defensive side of the staff (which Gus knows little about). So Auburn's defense excels while its offense is micromanaged by a guy who can't develop QB talent.

Each coach has his own set of limitations and the highly successful names Saban, Meyer, and now Swinny all are great at spotting and developing coaching talent and then delegating away the things those coaches do well. Swinny's strategy is to keep his associates as long as he can and Saban's has been to promote them out to keep things "fresh". I think Swinny's approach will keep a higher sustained rate of success until as a staff they become stale while Saban's approach produces more success over a much wider span of time. What that translates into is that Clemson's run will be more intense and may produce as many titles within a decade as Saban has produced within his stints at Michigan State / L.S.U. / and Alabama.

What's bad about all of this is that the top G5 coaches will continue to be hired away as fast as they emerge and of those maybe 10% will have the skill sets to achieve their goals at the higher level. That doesn't mean they are bad coaches, it just means they haven't been trained at the G5 level to handle the donors, the press, and the delegation of authority because they have fewer monied people demanding their attention, less media personalities to assuage, and much smaller staffs to manage.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-10-2019 11:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.


TCU and ISU are better defensively than KSU. 40% if the league is playing solid to really good defense which is a far cry from what you described. OU is mediocre defensively.


Let’s look at the SEC West. Bama and LSU are average defenses this year and have been lit up. Other than Auburn nobody in the SEC west plays really good defense this year. A&M is pretty average, Ole Miss is bad, Arkansas is bad, and MSU is bad.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-10-2019 02:13 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.
2 wins vs current CFP top 25 teams and over a solid Indiana team. Outside of LSU who else is better? I'm not being a homer, just don't understand your argument? Plus, destroying Wisconsin doesn't mean Wisconsin is a bad team. Ask Miami and LSU over the last couple years how hard it is to play Wisconsin.

I don't wanna talk about it... 01-lauramac2

But yeah, OSU is the only team in the top 4, besides LSU, who has beat someone. Alabama squandered their best chance and simultaneously wasted valuable time that Tua could have been resting his ankle. Dude's gonna be less than 100% the rest of the year and I wouldn't be surprised if Miss St or Auburn put him out for the rest of the year. Burrow isn't easy to sack but I think Miss St sacked him 5 times, and pantsed him once.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-10-2019 10:29 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  -Our winless teams play in the following: 4-5 Eastern Michigan @ winless Akron (Tuesday), 5-5 FCS Incarnate Word @ winless New Mexico State, winless Rice @ 3-5 Middle Tennessee. New Mexico State will likely be favored to win this week and we will hopefully finally be able to move another team off this list.

What are your thoughts on having a bowl game for the two lowest rated winless teams?

Determining that winner would be hard. I think it would be fun to watch.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-12-2019 11:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 02:13 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.
2 wins vs current CFP top 25 teams and over a solid Indiana team. Outside of LSU who else is better? I'm not being a homer, just don't understand your argument? Plus, destroying Wisconsin doesn't mean Wisconsin is a bad team. Ask Miami and LSU over the last couple years how hard it is to play Wisconsin.

I don't wanna talk about it... 01-lauramac2

But yeah, OSU is the only team in the top 4, besides LSU, who has beat someone. Alabama squandered their best chance and simultaneously wasted valuable time that Tua could have been resting his ankle. Dude's gonna be less than 100% the rest of the year and I wouldn't be surprised if Miss St or Auburn put him out for the rest of the year. Burrow isn't easy to sack but I think Miss St sacked him 5 times, and pantsed him once.
I wish I would have taken pictures of the kids who were tricker treating here with their Joe Burrow LSU uniforms on. Athens loves that family. I don't know if you knew this, but there was a huge group from here that attended the Vanderbilt game to support the Burrows?

Note: I didn't take pictures of other kids because I didn't want to look like a creep, lol.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-12-2019 10:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-12-2019 07:35 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 11:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

The top of the Big 10 is smaller than usual. I think you have Ohio State at the top. Then I think you have Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota step below, but a big step. Wisconsin is in between those 3 and Ohio State IMO. Where the Big 10 is improved this year is that schools like Purdue and Indiana have stepped it up, but unfortunately schools like Iowa and Michigan State have disappointed.

The bottom however is putrid. Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern and Nebraska have wreaked.

That said the SEC's middle has deteriorated. The bottom of the SEC is as horrible as it has been in the last 30 years or so. Vanderbilt and Arkansas are at severe low points even by Vandy's standards. South Carolina and Tennessee failed to make for a strong middle and Missouri is totally a mystery, but in a bad kind of way. South Carolina is Jekyll and Hyde.

Ole Miss, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the middle along with a disappointing Texas A&M.

The upper echelon will prove to be L.S.U., Alabama, and Georgia. Florida and Auburn are higher than expected but both have had tough schedules.

So while the SEC has some traditionally strong teams the conference as a whole is weaker this year. So much so that we won't fill our quota of bowls, and may miss that by as many as 3 unfilled bowls.

The ACC is broadest at the bottom and middle, but there isn't a program within 3 steps of Clemson.

The PAC is virtually all middle. Utah and Oregon are a step above but below Wisconsin, Auburn, and Florida, and probably on par with Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Oregon / Michigan might make a helluva Rose Bowl. The PAC doesn't have any really putrid teams like the other conferences.

The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.

So overall there is more parity, less excellence, but a larger bottom than usual which is why 5 G5 schools are ranked.

Could it be that the middle to bottom are so thin because the top of the G5 is strong. Have to think a number of those P5 schools are being out recruited by Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, SMU, Boise, San Diego State, Houston, etc.

No. The issue isn't recruiting. The issue is coaching. The successful schools are "developing" the talent they get. The unsuccessful ones are not.

The cream of the Power 5 exist of schools whose coaching staffs develop the talent they recruit. Then you have a long list of coaches who have been associated with talent developers in the past, but who are not talent developers themselves, but were hired with the hopes that they were.

The cream of the Gang of 5 is no different. These are coaches (usually younger and without a long history with other talent developers) who also know how to develop talent but their history is in doing it at a lower level where the other component is not present, the development and containment of boosters. Where the fail occurs between top G5 coaching talent and top P5 coaching talent is that the top P5 coaches are better at smoozing donors and delegating authority to subordinates. Gus Malzahn can't delegate authority except to the defensive side of the staff (which Gus knows little about). So Auburn's defense excels while its offense is micromanaged by a guy who can't develop QB talent.

Each coach has his own set of limitations and the highly successful names Saban, Meyer, and now Swinny all are great at spotting and developing coaching talent and then delegating away the things those coaches do well. Swinny's strategy is to keep his associates as long as he can and Saban's has been to promote them out to keep things "fresh". I think Swinny's approach will keep a higher sustained rate of success until as a staff they become stale while Saban's approach produces more success over a much wider span of time. What that translates into is that Clemson's run will be more intense and may produce as many titles within a decade as Saban has produced within his stints at Michigan State / L.S.U. / and Alabama.

What's bad about all of this is that the top G5 coaches will continue to be hired away as fast as they emerge and of those maybe 10% will have the skill sets to achieve their goals at the higher level. That doesn't mean they are bad coaches, it just means they haven't been trained at the G5 level to handle the donors, the press, and the delegation of authority because they have fewer monied people demanding their attention, less media personalities to assuage, and much smaller staffs to manage.
Spot on and if I may add another point. Boise State was so successful because they were able to keep Petersen around so long and build the program. He is a great developer of talent and built Boise State into a national name. That's what it takes and like JRsec mentioned, coaches at that level are always in waiting for something "bigger".

Maybe Cincinnati is able to keep Coach Fickell around to build the Bearcats up to a National contender? Look at Miami, Florida State, Wisconsin, Northwestern etc... It only took that "one" coach to turn the whole thing around.
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If Fickell stays around the best comparison would be VT. Taking a program from non power conference to power conference over 25 years.

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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-12-2019 11:13 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 11:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.


TCU and ISU are better defensively than KSU. 40% if the league is playing solid to really good defense which is a far cry from what you described. OU is mediocre defensively.


Let’s look at the SEC West. Bama and LSU are average defenses this year and have been lit up. Other than Auburn nobody in the SEC west plays really good defense this year. A&M is pretty average, Ole Miss is bad, Arkansas is bad, and MSU is bad.

Texas has a bad defense this year, one of the worst statistically in UT's history. And yet, they gave up fewer points to LSU than Alabama did.

So maybe its just that SEC offenses aren't that good that makes SEC defenses look good.

And it helps the offenses in the Big 12 that holding is never called on the Oline on passing plays.
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(11-12-2019 02:09 PM)mlb Wrote:  If Fickell stays around the best comparison would be VT. Taking a program from non power conference to power conference over 25 years.

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Yes, that's a great point and VT is great. They have been so close over the years with Beamer and just couldn't quite get over the hump. One of my favorite programs outside of the Big 10.
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(11-12-2019 02:07 PM)cubucks Wrote:  
(11-12-2019 10:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-12-2019 07:35 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 11:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 10:25 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I could see the schedule looking better/worse depending on how bowl season goes. Not having a big home and home hurt the strength of schedule some and having Penn State/Michigan to end has a bit too. That said, Cincinnati might have been a better opponent for the year than TCU and Wisconsin is pretty decent. Indiana really isn't terrible this year either. Regardless, if the Buckeyes look anything like have so far vs. Penn State and Michigan this might be the best Buckeye team I've seen. It could all unravel of course (this is college football), but think schedule is more so so than bad compared to others and will be fine by end of year. That said, very much want a few more big out of conference games.

The top of the Big 10 is smaller than usual. I think you have Ohio State at the top. Then I think you have Michigan, Penn State, and Minnesota step below, but a big step. Wisconsin is in between those 3 and Ohio State IMO. Where the Big 10 is improved this year is that schools like Purdue and Indiana have stepped it up, but unfortunately schools like Iowa and Michigan State have disappointed.

The bottom however is putrid. Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern and Nebraska have wreaked.

That said the SEC's middle has deteriorated. The bottom of the SEC is as horrible as it has been in the last 30 years or so. Vanderbilt and Arkansas are at severe low points even by Vandy's standards. South Carolina and Tennessee failed to make for a strong middle and Missouri is totally a mystery, but in a bad kind of way. South Carolina is Jekyll and Hyde.

Ole Miss, Kentucky and Mississippi State are the middle along with a disappointing Texas A&M.

The upper echelon will prove to be L.S.U., Alabama, and Georgia. Florida and Auburn are higher than expected but both have had tough schedules.

So while the SEC has some traditionally strong teams the conference as a whole is weaker this year. So much so that we won't fill our quota of bowls, and may miss that by as many as 3 unfilled bowls.

The ACC is broadest at the bottom and middle, but there isn't a program within 3 steps of Clemson.

The PAC is virtually all middle. Utah and Oregon are a step above but below Wisconsin, Auburn, and Florida, and probably on par with Penn State, Minnesota and Michigan. Oregon / Michigan might make a helluva Rose Bowl. The PAC doesn't have any really putrid teams like the other conferences.

The Big 12 has no defense again. Kansas State's is probably the best and Baylor's may be good but here we are in week 11 and nobody knows if the Bears are for real. I kind of place OU on par with Oregon and Utah.

So overall there is more parity, less excellence, but a larger bottom than usual which is why 5 G5 schools are ranked.

Could it be that the middle to bottom are so thin because the top of the G5 is strong. Have to think a number of those P5 schools are being out recruited by Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, SMU, Boise, San Diego State, Houston, etc.

No. The issue isn't recruiting. The issue is coaching. The successful schools are "developing" the talent they get. The unsuccessful ones are not.

The cream of the Power 5 exist of schools whose coaching staffs develop the talent they recruit. Then you have a long list of coaches who have been associated with talent developers in the past, but who are not talent developers themselves, but were hired with the hopes that they were.

The cream of the Gang of 5 is no different. These are coaches (usually younger and without a long history with other talent developers) who also know how to develop talent but their history is in doing it at a lower level where the other component is not present, the development and containment of boosters. Where the fail occurs between top G5 coaching talent and top P5 coaching talent is that the top P5 coaches are better at smoozing donors and delegating authority to subordinates. Gus Malzahn can't delegate authority except to the defensive side of the staff (which Gus knows little about). So Auburn's defense excels while its offense is micromanaged by a guy who can't develop QB talent.

Each coach has his own set of limitations and the highly successful names Saban, Meyer, and now Swinny all are great at spotting and developing coaching talent and then delegating away the things those coaches do well. Swinny's strategy is to keep his associates as long as he can and Saban's has been to promote them out to keep things "fresh". I think Swinny's approach will keep a higher sustained rate of success until as a staff they become stale while Saban's approach produces more success over a much wider span of time. What that translates into is that Clemson's run will be more intense and may produce as many titles within a decade as Saban has produced within his stints at Michigan State / L.S.U. / and Alabama.

What's bad about all of this is that the top G5 coaches will continue to be hired away as fast as they emerge and of those maybe 10% will have the skill sets to achieve their goals at the higher level. That doesn't mean they are bad coaches, it just means they haven't been trained at the G5 level to handle the donors, the press, and the delegation of authority because they have fewer monied people demanding their attention, less media personalities to assuage, and much smaller staffs to manage.
Spot on and if I may add another point. Boise State was so successful because they were able to keep Petersen around so long and build the program. He is a great developer of talent and built Boise State into a national name. That's what it takes and like JRsec mentioned, coaches at that level are always in waiting for something "bigger".

Maybe Cincinnati is able to keep Coach Fickell around to build the Bearcats up to a National contender? Look at Miami, Florida State, Wisconsin, Northwestern etc... It only took that "one" coach to turn the whole thing around.

Fick and his coaches are doing a great job on the recruiting end and building the depth.
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My take is that 11 teams are still in the hunt for the playoff:

LSU
Ohio St
Minnesota
Clemson
Baylor

Alabama
Georgia
Penn St
Utah
Oregon
Oklahoma

Oklahoma @ Baylor is an elimination game. Very hard to see Oklahoma sneaking in with 2 losses and even if Baylor avenges a regular season loss to the Sooners in the CCG I still think they get left out.

Realistically, I think only LSU and Ohio St could suffer losses and stay in the thick the CFP conversation.

Only Georgia, Minnesota, Penn St, and the Baylor/Okla winner have games this week against ranked opponents that could help catapult them up the rankings. If any of them win, it will be interesting to see where the playoff gods place them in relation to the rest of the field.
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Great analysis again. There are a few P5 schools stuck in G5 conferences, just as there are G5 schools in P5 conferences. Euro soccer has a good thing going in relegation.


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(11-15-2019 08:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Great analysis again. There are a few P5 schools stuck in G5 conferences, just as there are G5 schools in P5 conferences. Euro soccer has a good thing going in relegation.


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I would like for my team to have a chance to earn a shot at returning to a P5 conference by on- field performance.

Of course, we would first have to earn our way back up to G5 after getting relegated out of FBS this year!!

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(11-15-2019 01:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Oklahoma @ Baylor is an elimination game. Very hard to see Oklahoma sneaking in with 2 losses and even if Baylor avenges a regular season loss to the Sooners in the CCG I still think they get left out.

As in other years, no two-loss team has any chance of making the CFP.
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Down goes Minnesota (Fleck's Unsportsmanlike Penalty in the red zone was the key play)
Down goes Baylor (zero 2nd half offense)

Hum. The Utah-Oregon P12 Championship game "might" have playoff implications.
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Well the two undefeated teams that had the biggest question marks both fell.

The 3 undefeated teams left need to win out and are virtually guaranteed. All the other 1 loss teams need to impress the committee to get the last spot.

Baylor is probably out even if they win out due to their weak schedule and multiple close calls. Big 12 title or not, no one is going to crown them best of the one loss teams.

Minnesota is dangerously close to that status too but I think wins against Wisconsin and presumably Ohio St could sway opinions that they are deserving.

If I had to guess a 4th playoff participant now I’d say the 1 loss PAC 12 champ. If LSU, Clemson, or Ohio St stumble things get really convoluted.
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(11-17-2019 07:03 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Well the two undefeated teams that had the biggest question marks both fell.

The 3 undefeated teams left need to win out and are virtually guaranteed. All the other 1 loss teams need to impress the committee to get the last spot.

Baylor is probably out even if they win out due to their weak schedule and multiple close calls. Big 12 title or not, no one is going to crown them best of the one loss teams.

Minnesota is dangerously close to that status too but I think wins against Wisconsin and presumably Ohio St could sway opinions that they are deserving.

If I had to guess a 4th playoff participant now I’d say the 1 loss PAC 12 champ. If LSU, Clemson, or Ohio St stumble things get really convoluted.

I agree. I think there will be some amount of push to return the Pac-12 to the playoffs. That said, it presents a problem...

if the Pac-12 champ is 4th, can you really send them to Arizona? Keep in mind that no higher seed is supposed to have to play at a home field disadvantage. If it's Utah, I think that rules out the Fiesta Bowl for them; if it's Oregon, it's debatable.

Probably you end up with this:

Peach Bowl: LSU vs. Pac-12 champ
Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State vs. Clemson

stinks for Clemson, who would be making their 3rd trip to Tempe in 5 years, IIRC.
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Rice and New Mexico State both won yesterday. Akron is the lone winless team left.
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(11-17-2019 08:28 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rice and New Mexico State both won yesterday. Akron is the lone winless team left.
Akron. It's the karma of their name, Zips!
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(11-17-2019 07:03 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If I had to guess a 4th playoff participant now I’d say the 1 loss PAC 12 champ. If LSU, Clemson, or Ohio St stumble things get really convoluted.

The nightmare scenario for everyone else that isn't an unbeaten P5 champ (read - Clemson and Ohio State) is an undefeated LSU losing to Georgia in the SEC title game, because that would almost surely mean two SEC teams in the playoffs.

That would make the PAC vs Big 12 champ debate moot.

And that very well could happen. Georgia's defense can limit LSU's offense, and LSU's defense is being protected right now by the prolific offense. They won by 21 yesterday despite giving up *400 yards* on the ground to Ole Miss.

And Georgia can run the ball too.
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