Looks like the upper hand is on the other foot.

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

Ehh, horrible calls on both sides in that one. 15 seconds earlier on the Louisville inbounds McMahon was fouled on the arm before he lost it out of bounds, shown by video stills online after the game. The refs were the worst I’ve seen in a UofL game all year with both sides having multiple poor calls go against them.

No love loss between the two right now. Over the completed home and away this year both coaches earned techs, tonight we had a double tech on players, and the refs stopped the game tonight to eject a fan from the student section. After the game while in the hand shake line, a student threw a bright yellow Pitt headband at Malik Williams. Willams picked it up and put it on his head, with Capel then telling him to “take that **** off”. Pretty salty for a coach to talk like that to an opposing player. I say if you don’t like your logoed head band being worn by the opponent, tell your fans not to throw stuff on the court.

(01-14-2020 11:50 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

Ehh, horrible calls on both sides in that one. 15 seconds earlier on the Louisville inbounds McMahon was fouled on the arm before he lost it out of bounds, shown by video stills online after the game. The refs were the worst I’ve seen in a UofL game all year with both sides having multiple poor calls go against them.

No love loss between the two right now. Over the completed home and away this year both coaches earned techs, tonight we had a double tech on players, and the refs stopped the game tonight to eject a fan from the student section. After the game while in the hand shake line, a student threw a bright yellow Pitt headband at Malik Williams. Willams picked it up and put it on his head, with Capel then telling him to “take that **** off”. Pretty salty for a coach to talk like that to an opposing player. I say if you don’t like your logoed head band being worn by the opponent, tell your fans not to throw stuff on the court.

I don't dispute it was a poorly officiated game. It doesn't change the fact the call on Brown was total bull. It took a game from tied to determining the outcome. That was a ref who didn't want double overtime.

A call like that could mean the difference between a team getting the NCAAT or NIT. Earlier in LHs tenure there were a few games each season that FSU was screwed out of that could have easily gotten FSU in the NCAAT. The 2007 @Duke game comes to mind.

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

No they weren't. Very bad student comportment at the arena. Over the Top behavior. Cards deserved to win and did.

(01-15-2020 11:48 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

No they weren't. Very bad student comportment at the arena. Over the Top behavior. Cards deserved to win and did.

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(01-15-2020 11:48 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

No they weren't. Very bad student comportment at the arena. Over the Top behavior. Cards deserved to win and did.

The ref decided the game with a call that was incorrect. Pitt got screwed. I am not saying that the Pitt would have won the game eventually. That bad call ensured they would not win. Even Packer and Durham this morning were commenting on the call. They had several guests who also questioned it. The refs decided the game with that call, period.

(01-16-2020 03:23 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 11:48 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

No they weren't. Very bad student comportment at the arena. Over the Top behavior. Cards deserved to win and did.

The ref decided the game with a call that was incorrect. Pitt got screwed. I am not saying that the Pitt would have won the game eventually. That bad call ensured they would not win. Even Packer and Durham this morning were commenting on the call. They had several guests who also questioned it. The refs decided the game with that call, period.

It was the correct call, period.

Ah, the refs cooking up the Pitt-Louisville rivalry. Good for the league!

(01-16-2020 09:03 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:23 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 11:48 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 09:29 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Pitt just got screwed by the refs. Congrats Cards.

No they weren't. Very bad student comportment at the arena. Over the Top behavior. Cards deserved to win and did.

The ref decided the game with a call that was incorrect. Pitt got screwed. I am not saying that the Pitt would have won the game eventually. That bad call ensured they would not win. Even Packer and Durham this morning were commenting on the call. They had several guests who also questioned it. The refs decided the game with that call, period.

It was the correct call, period.

The announcers watching the replay continued to incorrectly report there was no contact on the foul that was whistled; they were both focusing on the one (1) hand on the ball that ultimately was tipped in. For those who claim there was no foul, they need to go back and review the film replay.

What is evident, is the Pitt defender (Terrell Brown) was clearly boxed out by Malik Williams, and it was Brown’s other arm (left) that hooked Malik’s left arm as he was first going up for the rebound, which helps explain why Malik tipped the ball instead of rebounding it. Brown hooking Malik’s arm prevented him from grabbing the ball with two hands and the official making the call could see it because he was on that same left side of the play where the contact originated prior to the ball being tipped.

Capel was on the sidelines reacting to what he thought was a phantom call, but that was a result of Jeff’s view being confined to the right side of the play; he, just like the announcers, were focused on the ball and were not aware the official had called the foul prior to the hand even touching the ball.

(01-15-2020 11:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  A call like that could mean the difference between a team getting the NCAAT or NIT. Earlier in LHs tenure there were a few games each season that FSU was screwed out of that could have easily gotten FSU in the NCAAT. The 2007 @Duke game comes to mind.

The 2006 Duke game is the one I'll never forget, for the bogus technical foul on Alexander Johnson that put him out of the game.

ACC suspended the refs for a game after that gem, for being too obvious I guess.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...id=2321279

(01-16-2020 11:51 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 11:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  A call like that could mean the difference between a team getting the NCAAT or NIT. Earlier in LHs tenure there were a few games each season that FSU was screwed out of that could have easily gotten FSU in the NCAAT. The 2007 @Duke game comes to mind.

The 2006 Duke game is the one I'll never forget, for the bogus technical foul on Alexander Johnson that put him out of the game.

ACC suspended the refs for a game after that gem, for being too obvious I guess.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...id=2321279

The Alexander Johnson game was the one I was thinking of, just got the year wrong. Nobody can convince me otherwise that the fix was in, not just that game, but others that were just as bad.

(01-16-2020 11:51 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 11:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  A call like that could mean the difference between a team getting the NCAAT or NIT. Earlier in LHs tenure there were a few games each season that FSU was screwed out of that could have easily gotten FSU in the NCAAT. The 2007 @Duke game comes to mind.

The 2006 Duke game is the one I'll never forget, for the bogus technical foul on Alexander Johnson that put him out of the game.

ACC suspended the refs for a game after that gem, for being too obvious I guess.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...id=2321279

That and the wake football game were insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqANJsY8gZI

Another thing about the Alexander Johnson game was the free throw discrepancy. I think Duke had something like 20 more free throw attempts.

(01-16-2020 02:44 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 11:51 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 11:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  A call like that could mean the difference between a team getting the NCAAT or NIT. Earlier in LHs tenure there were a few games each season that FSU was screwed out of that could have easily gotten FSU in the NCAAT. The 2007 @Duke game comes to mind.

The 2006 Duke game is the one I'll never forget, for the bogus technical foul on Alexander Johnson that put him out of the game.

ACC suspended the refs for a game after that gem, for being too obvious I guess.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...id=2321279

That and the wake football game were insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqANJsY8gZI

Yep. It was blatantly obvious for so many years that the ACC officiating was to protect the top dogs and basketball, and elevate the underdogs in football. It was without question obvious if you watched the games.

The thing is, I do think that it has normalized a little bit the past few years. The officiating is still frequently poor, but it's not as one sided along those lines as it once was. I started to notice it about five years go, and I feel like it coincided with FSU's run in 2013 squaring up with trying to get the ACC Network...someone, maybe ESPN, gave them the ultimatum that you can't just handicap your best football teams all the time.

The real obvious point was the Clemson-UNC ACC Championship game with Clemson playing for a playoff spot. One or two years earlier, not only would UNC have been awarded that on-sides kick, they would have called multiple personal fouls on Clemson and moved the ball into red zone. And then I think the next year they totally put it on FSU in the Clemson game to keep Clemson live.

Perfect timing of course for FSU for the change, now that football struggles and basketball is good. You'd almost be tempted to consider it not a coincidence.

The thing that currently drives me nuts about ACC officiating, both sports, is that ACC officials clearly and obviously consider themselves an integral part of the drama of the game. They are the third team out there. To me, that's the biggest difference between ACC and SEC officials. ACC officials behave as if it's part of their mandate to add to the drama and storyline of the game.

In football, they are always ready to throw a flag on dramatic plays and make inconsequential, ticky tack calls behind the play to alter the game. It seems like the dream ACC referee scenario is "and he ties the game! But wait! There's a flag on the field, let's see if it stands!"

Basketball is the same, if different. They've had a long history of aligning with refs like Hess, Valentine and Luckie who love to make sure the game is largely about them. They seem to get hard ons about enforcing their will on a game, turning too many games into foul fests with no regard for letting the teams play or decide the game on the court.

Every conference is going to hate their refs for the most part, but the ACC has to get with their refs and start forcing them to step out of the spotlight and adopt a philosophy for upholding the rules and ensuring fair play, but with the objective to let the players and coaches determine the games. And replace the ones that can't manage to do that.

Cards take down Duke 79-73 in Cameron to get revenge for last season’s collapse. Current top of the league:

FSU 6-1 (hold current tiebreaker)
UofL 6-1
Duke 5-2

Coach K from his post-game presser:

It was like an early 90’s Pistons-Bulls game. It was unbelievable. . . . I’m not a sour grapes guy. Give them credit. I’m just saying, the game shouldn’t be that way. There should be freedom of movement. They did what they did better than we did.

The term freedom of movement was not in use tonight. . . . It’s just not good basketball. They played great tonight. I don’t want to take away from them. . . . But tonight was not the way it should be. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t beat us if it were some other way.

So we were a prelim to the fight tonight (on ESPN). That was a brutal game. The most physical game we’ve been involved in in years.”

Wow, sounds like Duke truly got screwed by the refs tonight! Checks box score, wait...
-23% of UofL’s FGA were 3 pointers
-40% of Duke’s FGA were 3 pointers (i.e.- not driving to basket every possession to draw fouls)
-Duke somehow still had 29 FT’s to only 17 FT attempts for UofL

Classic Duke victim mentality when they take an L with K not whining but still whining. Sorry they didn’t get their Swofford promised 20 extra FT’s for every home game.

(01-18-2020 10:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Coach K from his post-game presser:

It was like an early 90’s Pistons-Bulls game. It was unbelievable. . . . I’m not a sour grapes guy. Give them credit. I’m just saying, the game shouldn’t be that way. There should be freedom of movement. They did what they did better than we did.

The term freedom of movement was not in use tonight. . . . It’s just not good basketball. They played great tonight. I don’t want to take away from them. . . . But tonight was not the way it should be. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t beat us if it were some other way.

So we were a prelim to the fight tonight (on ESPN). That was a brutal game. The most physical game we’ve been involved in in years.”

Wow, sounds like Duke truly got screwed by the refs tonight! Checks box score, wait...
-23% of UofL’s FGA were 3 pointers
-40% of Duke’s FGA were 3 pointers (i.e.- not driving to basket every possession to draw fouls)
-Duke somehow still had 29 FT’s to only 17 FT attempts for UofL

Classic Duke victim mentality when they take an L with K not whining but still whining. Sorry they didn’t get their Swofford promised 20 extra FT’s for every home game.

The FT disparity was a whole worse before the last few minutes of the game. The first half they had 14-6 and then in the second half 6 of the FTs for Louisville were the closing minutes with Duke trying to get the ball to make a run. Overall it was a joke watching the FTs throughout the game and what was being called (or not) for fouls. They grabbed, pushed, shoved, held on, undercut, hit, swiped arms just as much if not more -- only they weren't getting called for theirs. One of their players even hit a Louisville player but they both got Technicals for it -- the Louisville player didn't even touch or attempt to touch the Duke player -- and it was player from Duke who wasn't involved in the original play who through the punch.

You got the CIS treatment from the refs and still won. A tip of the hat to the Cards.