(11-03-2019 03:08 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 01:03 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 12:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 12:27 PM)Jb 94 Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 11:37 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  It was inferred. You mention him in most of your posts because you are either a troll from the Temple board, or more likely, the ILst a-hole troll in yet another one of his iterations.

A so-called Huskie fan would not kick the team when it’s down. Can’t wait for the Huskies to rise up again so you fake fans and Rod lickers will all shrivel up like the balls of a 90-year-old man.

What was stated, is the deplorable state of this team. Not inferred, that the team was better under Carey..it is factual..look it up . Not kicking a team whenit's down. These are kids trying. I am knocking Frazier, and his gameplan, and how much of a disaster Hammock, and staff is. What I am inferring how lame you are for taking for granted my school's sucess..no true huskie fan would this, of course..I don't know you, and it stands to reason you cant be half as stupid in person, as you are on this board..so I won't make it personal...you probably an all right guy..after all you graduated from my school. Go Huskies

Carey allowed the talent level to slowly deplete through time, and it bottomed out this year, he left Hammock with a top 120 football team talent wise to be honest. I have faith Hammock can turn around the mess Carey left him though, it will not occur overnight though

NIU team talent composite by year(this stat began in 2015):
2015: #98
2016: #94
2017: #90
2018: #89

The 2013 and 2014 recruit classes were both 3rd highest in MAC.

Team talent actually improved under Carey. But NIU has and always will be in that 90-100 range of player rating. You have to coach them up really well or hope for that completely lucky break out player who can carry a #100 level team up 20 spots or so.

I understand it makes it easier to accept the Hammock hire if you make excuses for him. But use the injury and new coordinators excuses. Those actually hold up. NIU's talent is equal to 3/4th of the MAC. Players look talentless when they don't know their assignments. Some back ups lack talent, namely Rattin. But thats always the case for MAC teams. No depth. It's hard to even judge the O-line when I see the right guard turn to his right and the center turn to his left....and the D tackle in the 1 gap is like....oh, thanks guys! QB sack.

Staying 90-100 in recruiting is not "improving."

He took over a one loss team. A team with NFL players. In fact the program has had players make trips, albeit short for some, under Carey. That's a fact. One of which was a transfer from a FCS team that is now a #1 WR. And many would even suggest he and others were not utilized correctly. To others it was a result of "conservatism" and "hard way."

I would like to know who on this team gets even a look in the NFL. Heflin? Pugh? The punter? The #1 QB on the QB is a transfer. Take that back. The top 2 college ready. The QB that was to be the future went to WR. Sound familiar? Albeit that is his only chance to play, unlike the prior who had to be converted back. One under Carey, one under Hammock. #1 RB? Transfer under Carey. If you want to say transfers are part of recruiting, fine. But some seem to think it isn't.

And to say this team has "skill position talent" is laughable. Outside of Bowers, who is in his 1st season, there than Harbson who is one dimensional. I commend Childers for his toughness, but this guy is offensively challenged w/o a defense/lead. (Enter MACC trolls). I mean anyone who thinks graduation hasn't hurt this team is delusional. But then again, they are likely the same ones using that as an excuse for 6 loses in 7 games in 2016. Nothing wrong with saying that but understand who the backups were, namely at QB, and what he recruited. It was a great run but to say there hasn't been a decline is not being objective.The non-conference wins, the playing great at #1 team in the nation (with prior regime's seniors) FBS became 2-9 down the stretch with another loss to FCS. Carey won titles, maintained success won titles. What he didn't do is take program to next level. Didn't win bowls on national stage. Didn't capitalize on getting better recruits as a whole, namely skill position. Hard to believe when you are in Chicago area and everyone nationally knew who "NIU" was and their Heisman finalist. He might have done better than Hammock with this team. In fact, I assure he would. But with the talent that was left, injuries, the anointed one would have been hard pressed to win a title/finish .500. But I guess the flock will say "we will never know" followed by some useless stat, analogy by their hero.

To the sane, objective people, have fun the rest of the year with the trolls. Just realize that you'll never win them over, they will always take something out of context and find a way to change the topic. Do what you can to support the team, coach and school. Remain positive and for your own health, ignore them.

Agree with this post!

I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

Let's put this in perspective. NIU went 5-7 in 2016. Win two out of three next games (which may be a tall order, granted) and we've equaled that record.

We had more talent on that team but were plagued with injuries, like this year.

I've been through some bad Huskie football years in the past, but I'm going to give Hammock and staff the benefit of the doubt.

This year is horrible, no doubt, but I think the future of the program will be in the right direction under Hammock.

With the resources NIU has it's been a miracle that the staff has been able to have the success it's had the last 10 years.

Go forbid we go the way of an Akron, but I doubt it.

I have been a loyal Huskie fan for may years, and will continue to be. These are the years that test the mettle of the teams and fans.

(11-04-2019 11:37 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Let's put this in perspective. NIU went 5-7 in 2016. Win two out of three next games (which may be a tall order, granted) and we've equaled that record.

We had more talent on that team but were plagued with injuries, like this year.

I've been through some bad Huskie football years in the past, but I'm going to give Hammock and staff the benefit of the doubt.

This year is horrible, no doubt, but I think the future of the program will be in the right direction under Hammock.

With the resources NIU has it's been a miracle that the staff has been able to have the success it's had the last 10 years.

Go forbid we go the way of an Akron, but I doubt it.

I have been a loyal Huskie fan for may years, and will continue to be. These are the years that test the mettle of the teams and fans.

True and I agree. I think the suspensions and injuries over the year have taken a bigger toll than we even imagine. You can't lose so many key players and replace them with freshmen and walk-ons and expect this to come out well. And I would say the same thing if Carey were coach. In addition to the tangible results from losing so many key players, there is an intangible impact on team morale. Add that to trying to learn a new system, and this is a recipe for disaster. Plus, I do think the coaches do need to learn some things about college FBS football. But, I also feel that Hammock will succeed.

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

(11-04-2019 12:02 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

The impact/skill players/difference makers were gone though. NIU has always been good at backfilling these type of players. Outside of AJD, this roster was void of that type of player.

(11-04-2019 12:01 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:37 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Let's put this in perspective. NIU went 5-7 in 2016. Win two out of three next games (which may be a tall order, granted) and we've equaled that record.

We had more talent on that team but were plagued with injuries, like this year.

I've been through some bad Huskie football years in the past, but I'm going to give Hammock and staff the benefit of the doubt.

This year is horrible, no doubt, but I think the future of the program will be in the right direction under Hammock.

With the resources NIU has it's been a miracle that the staff has been able to have the success it's had the last 10 years.

Go forbid we go the way of an Akron, but I doubt it.

I have been a loyal Huskie fan for may years, and will continue to be. These are the years that test the mettle of the teams and fans.

True and I agree. I think the suspensions and injuries over the year have taken a bigger toll than we even imagine. You can't lose so many key players and replace them with freshmen and walk-ons and expect this to come out well. And I would say the same thing if Carey were coach. In addition to the tangible results from losing so many key players, there is an intangible impact on team morale. Add that to trying to learn a new system, and this is a recipe for disaster. Plus, I do think the coaches do need to learn some things about college FBS football. But, I also feel that Hammock will succeed.

You call it morale. I call it confidence. But either way any team who’s questioning themselves or their team mates is going to struggle. So much physical success is predicated on mental success.

(11-04-2019 12:01 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:37 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Let's put this in perspective. NIU went 5-7 in 2016. Win two out of three next games (which may be a tall order, granted) and we've equaled that record.

We had more talent on that team but were plagued with injuries, like this year.

I've been through some bad Huskie football years in the past, but I'm going to give Hammock and staff the benefit of the doubt.

This year is horrible, no doubt, but I think the future of the program will be in the right direction under Hammock.

With the resources NIU has it's been a miracle that the staff has been able to have the success it's had the last 10 years.

Go forbid we go the way of an Akron, but I doubt it.

I have been a loyal Huskie fan for may years, and will continue to be. These are the years that test the mettle of the teams and fans.

True and I agree. I think the suspensions and injuries over the year have taken a bigger toll than we even imagine. You can't lose so many key players and replace them with freshmen and walk-ons and expect this to come out well. And I would say the same thing if Carey were coach. In addition to the tangible results from losing so many key players, there is an intangible impact on team morale. Add that to trying to learn a new system, and this is a recipe for disaster. Plus, I do think the coaches do need to learn some things about college FBS football. But, I also feel that Hammock will succeed.

Oh yeah, this year has been a learning curve for coach and staff. It showed in the close games we could have/should have won.

Anyone know how many/which players are injured? I think the longsnapper was in at center for part of the CMU game after the starter went down. I turned the game off several minutes into the third quarter, couldn't take it and the writing was on the wall.

Maybe not a good time to bring this up but the Huskie Athletic fund is having a fund drive this week, goal of $300K.

Now is when the teams need the support. Part of you would have spent on going to a bowl game or MACC, which aren't happening this year, can be contributed.

(11-04-2019 01:01 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Maybe not a good time to bring this up but the Huskie Athletic fund is having a fund drive this week, goal of $300K.

Now is when the teams need the support. Part of you would have spent on going to a bowl game or MACC, which aren't happening this year, can be contributed.

The USAtoday report on athletic revenue from 2018 has NIU 5th from the bottom in FBS football. We are literally one of the poorest programs in the country. Only BG, Louis-tech, Louis-monroe, and So-miss are worse off.

(11-04-2019 12:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:02 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

The impact/skill players/difference makers were gone though. NIU has always been good at backfilling these type of players. Outside of AJD, this roster was void of that type of player.

Seventeen starters from a conference championship team is not a “ bare cupboard”, but, you, for some reason, continue your stupid narrative.

(11-04-2019 01:16 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 01:01 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Maybe not a good time to bring this up but the Huskie Athletic fund is having a fund drive this week, goal of $300K.

Now is when the teams need the support. Part of you would have spent on going to a bowl game or MACC, which aren't happening this year, can be contributed.

The USAtoday report on athletic revenue from 2018 has NIU 5th from the bottom in FBS football. We are literally one of the poorest programs in the country. Only BG, Louis-tech, Louis-monroe, and So-miss are worse off.

Good find, but I didn't need to hear that today.....

(11-04-2019 01:16 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 01:01 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Maybe not a good time to bring this up but the Huskie Athletic fund is having a fund drive this week, goal of $300K.

Now is when the teams need the support. Part of you would have spent on going to a bowl game or MACC, which aren't happening this year, can be contributed.

The USAtoday report on athletic revenue from 2018 has NIU 5th from the bottom in FBS football. We are literally one of the poorest programs in the country. Only BG, Louis-tech, Louis-monroe, and So-miss are worse off.

Once again - and I will keep pounding at this - NIU needs to play as many big money games as possible. Forget the 1-for-1s. Keep playing the big boys for the purse - as many times every season as possible. Losses mean nothing compared to NIU's need for money. Let's play the little boys at home to pay a minimum payout. Nobody goes to the games anyway, so who cares who we play? The schedules need to be set up for as much income as possible. We're not getting adequate ticket revenue or donations to fully sustain operations, so this is the only way.

(11-04-2019 12:01 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:37 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Let's put this in perspective. NIU went 5-7 in 2016. Win two out of three next games (which may be a tall order, granted) and we've equaled that record.

We had more talent on that team but were plagued with injuries, like this year.

I've been through some bad Huskie football years in the past, but I'm going to give Hammock and staff the benefit of the doubt.

This year is horrible, no doubt, but I think the future of the program will be in the right direction under Hammock.

With the resources NIU has it's been a miracle that the staff has been able to have the success it's had the last 10 years.

Go forbid we go the way of an Akron, but I doubt it.

I have been a loyal Huskie fan for may years, and will continue to be. These are the years that test the mettle of the teams and fans.

True and I agree. I think the suspensions and injuries over the year have taken a bigger toll than we even imagine. You can't lose so many key players and replace them with freshmen and walk-ons and expect this to come out well. And I would say the same thing if Carey were coach. In addition to the tangible results from losing so many key players, there is an intangible impact on team morale. Add that to trying to learn a new system, and this is a recipe for disaster. Plus, I do think the coaches do need to learn some things about college FBS football. But, I also feel that Hammock will succeed.

Excellent summary - nailed it!

How many 1st stringers are injured/suspended?

(11-04-2019 12:02 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

Absolutely agree. I've mentioned that to Mad Dog on multiple occasions and he avoids addressing it because he knows its true. Yes, while injuries have definitely hurt us this year, this team still returned a LOT of starters and players who have seen action. What is the result ? an obviously worse team this season mainly due to coaching. Facts are- Carey got a lot more out of this team last year than Ham is this year.

I'm still hopeful and optimistic about the future, I should add.

Go Huskies!!

(11-04-2019 01:50 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 01:16 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 01:01 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Maybe not a good time to bring this up but the Huskie Athletic fund is having a fund drive this week, goal of $300K.

Now is when the teams need the support. Part of you would have spent on going to a bowl game or MACC, which aren't happening this year, can be contributed.

The USAtoday report on athletic revenue from 2018 has NIU 5th from the bottom in FBS football. We are literally one of the poorest programs in the country. Only BG, Louis-tech, Louis-monroe, and So-miss are worse off.

Once again - and I will keep pounding at this - NIU needs to play as many big money games as possible. Forget the 1-for-1s. Keep playing the big boys for the purse - as many times every season as possible. Losses mean nothing compared to NIU's need for money. Let's play the little boys at home to pay a minimum payout. Nobody goes to the games anyway, so who cares who we play? The schedules need to be set up for as much income as possible. We're not getting adequate ticket revenue or donations to fully sustain operations, so this is the only way.

Agree. I also like the idea of using 1 o-o-c to play an in-state FCS. Has at least the potential to bring in some fans. If we run out of those, play Northern Iowa, Indiana State, Missouri State, SE Mo State ... somebody from the neighboring states. There are enough of them. For home attendance (such as it is) push the Saturday games. Take what we get on weekday nights; espn pays for those anyway.

And I think the $$$ issue might have made a good thread on its own, since this one is about b-m-c.

(11-04-2019 02:35 PM)Red Dog Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:02 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

Absolutely agree. I've mentioned that to Mad Dog on multiple occasions and he avoids addressing it because he knows its true. Yes, while injuries have definitely hurt us this year, this team still returned a LOT of starters and players who have seen action. What is the result ? an obviously worse team this season mainly due to coaching. Facts are- Carey got a lot more out of this team last year than Ham is this year.

I'm still hopeful and optimistic about the future, I should add.

Go Huskies!!

What Hammock is playing with out there right now is 1/10th of the talent of last year's team. That is not even debatable at this point. NIU is ranked as one of the worst FBS programs in the entire nation right now. That is way way way more than coaching. Talent is lacking on this roster right now.

(11-04-2019 03:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 02:35 PM)Red Dog Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:02 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

Absolutely agree. I've mentioned that to Mad Dog on multiple occasions and he avoids addressing it because he knows its true. Yes, while injuries have definitely hurt us this year, this team still returned a LOT of starters and players who have seen action. What is the result ? an obviously worse team this season mainly due to coaching. Facts are- Carey got a lot more out of this team last year than Ham is this year.

I'm still hopeful and optimistic about the future, I should add.

Go Huskies!!

What Hammock is playing with out there right now is 1/10th of the talent of last year's team. That is not even debatable at this point. NIU is ranked as one of the worst FBS programs in the entire nation right now. That is way way way more than coaching. Talent is lacking on this roster right now.

If this is indeed true, then there will several years of bad NIU football. Even if Hammock recruits well those recruits won't be ready for several years.

(11-04-2019 03:30 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:01 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 02:35 PM)Red Dog Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 12:02 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 10:12 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just didnt realize the percentage of fans on this board that feel a stronger fandom to Carey than to the Huskies. Id understand if it was a legendary coach like Novak to have these strong feelings about, but this is Rod Carey. It just baffles me. Love Carey or hate Carey, one has to have the ability to admit he left the cupboard bare

This narrative that “the cupboard was bare” is nothing short of completely stupid. It is a defending conference champion that had 17 starters returning.

Absolutely agree. I've mentioned that to Mad Dog on multiple occasions and he avoids addressing it because he knows its true. Yes, while injuries have definitely hurt us this year, this team still returned a LOT of starters and players who have seen action. What is the result ? an obviously worse team this season mainly due to coaching. Facts are- Carey got a lot more out of this team last year than Ham is this year.

I'm still hopeful and optimistic about the future, I should add.

Go Huskies!!

What Hammock is playing with out there right now is 1/10th of the talent of last year's team. That is not even debatable at this point. NIU is ranked as one of the worst FBS programs in the entire nation right now. That is way way way more than coaching. Talent is lacking on this roster right now.

If this is indeed true, then there will several years of bad NIU football. Even if Hammock recruits well those recruits won't be ready for several years.

I would think they'd have an impact in year 3.