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(02-23-2020 01:30 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 07:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 08:52 PM)eroc Wrote:  Karl Dorrell to Colorado per multiple sources including espn

Every year there always seems to be a WTF hire- this is this year’s version. Dorrell was mediocre at UCLA and has not been a head coach since 2007. Aside for one season at Vandy, he has been an NFL assistant since he left UCLA. I have to question Colorado’s commitment to football.

Seems like a panic hire and a bad one at that. Colorado is a tough job. Not in a great area for football. Not a whole lot cache in the recent past. i can see it both ways. Hiring Dorrell might be a lousy panic hire but it offers some certainty in the next three years. That said it could certainly be argued that they would have been better off this late in the hiring process to stay with an interim and go for a full fledged search for a quality hire, or at least as much quality as Colorado can get.

I know at least technically that he withdrew, but Bienemy seems like he would have been a really nice hire for them. And Bielema might have been worth a shot as well or perhaps Troy Calhoun. None are guaranteed homeruns but I think they had some decent candidates even at this late date, unless they were all quickly changing their minds about having interest in the job.

(02-23-2020 03:43 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:30 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 07:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 08:52 PM)eroc Wrote:  Karl Dorrell to Colorado per multiple sources including espn

Every year there always seems to be a WTF hire- this is this year’s version. Dorrell was mediocre at UCLA and has not been a head coach since 2007. Aside for one season at Vandy, he has been an NFL assistant since he left UCLA. I have to question Colorado’s commitment to football.

Seems like a panic hire and a bad one at that. Colorado is a tough job. Not in a great area for football. Not a whole lot cache in the recent past. i can see it both ways. Hiring Dorrell might be a lousy panic hire but it offers some certainty in the next three years. That said it could certainly be argued that they would have been better off this late in the hiring process to stay with an interim and go for a full fledged search for a quality hire, or at least as much quality as Colorado can get.

Colorado killed their revenue sports when they went to the Pac12

IMHO Colorado decided it was done being a major college football program after the rape scandals of the mid 2000s.

(02-14-2020 06:55 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Good for Mickens. Maybe someday he’ll be our DC or HC.

Really nice piece on Mickens and the type of coach he is including a lot of insight from Cam Jeffries:

Notre Dame football: How cornerbacks coach Mike Mickens develops players

(02-23-2020 07:20 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:30 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 07:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 08:52 PM)eroc Wrote:  Karl Dorrell to Colorado per multiple sources including espn

Every year there always seems to be a WTF hire- this is this year’s version. Dorrell was mediocre at UCLA and has not been a head coach since 2007. Aside for one season at Vandy, he has been an NFL assistant since he left UCLA. I have to question Colorado’s commitment to football.

Seems like a panic hire and a bad one at that. Colorado is a tough job. Not in a great area for football. Not a whole lot cache in the recent past. i can see it both ways. Hiring Dorrell might be a lousy panic hire but it offers some certainty in the next three years. That said it could certainly be argued that they would have been better off this late in the hiring process to stay with an interim and go for a full fledged search for a quality hire, or at least as much quality as Colorado can get.

I know at least technically that he withdrew, but Bienemy seems like he would have been a really nice hire for them. And Bielema might have been worth a shot as well or perhaps Troy Calhoun. None are guaranteed homeruns but I think they had some decent candidates even at this late date, unless they were all quickly changing their minds about having interest in the job.

imo, bienemy would have pulled off the jim harbaugh better. that's who i wanted the bengals to hire instead of an ex college quarterback

(02-27-2020 11:17 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 07:20 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 01:30 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 07:42 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 08:52 PM)eroc Wrote:  Karl Dorrell to Colorado per multiple sources including espn

Every year there always seems to be a WTF hire- this is this year’s version. Dorrell was mediocre at UCLA and has not been a head coach since 2007. Aside for one season at Vandy, he has been an NFL assistant since he left UCLA. I have to question Colorado’s commitment to football.

Seems like a panic hire and a bad one at that. Colorado is a tough job. Not in a great area for football. Not a whole lot cache in the recent past. i can see it both ways. Hiring Dorrell might be a lousy panic hire but it offers some certainty in the next three years. That said it could certainly be argued that they would have been better off this late in the hiring process to stay with an interim and go for a full fledged search for a quality hire, or at least as much quality as Colorado can get.

I know at least technically that he withdrew, but Bienemy seems like he would have been a really nice hire for them. And Bielema might have been worth a shot as well or perhaps Troy Calhoun. None are guaranteed homeruns but I think they had some decent candidates even at this late date, unless they were all quickly changing their minds about having interest in the job.

imo, bienemy would have pulled off the jim harbaugh better. that's who i wanted the bengals to hire instead of an ex college quarterback

I'm sure that's his thought process too. He's very close to getting an NFL head coaching job (which it seems like he's interested in with all the interviews he's done), why change things up now and go after a college head coaching job? Doesn't make sense when it seems like he'll have a seat at one of the next NFL coaching carousals.

Good pickup if it happens. Knowledgeable guy.

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Arti...144386213/

Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

Has MyAMuh beaten many FBS teams outside the MAC in recent history? I do know they've been bowling only 6 times since 1986. Chuckster's got them to two. At least we know to insert the auto-win on the schedule for now....

(03-08-2020 09:52 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

Has MyAMuh beaten many FBS teams outside the MAC in recent history? I do know they've been bowling only 6 times since 1986. Chuckster's got them to two. At least we know to insert the auto-win on the schedule for now....

Last OOC FBS win was against a terrible Army squad in 2011.

I looked at their board to see what the vibe was.

Post #1: “Chuck signed a 5 year extension.”

Post #2: “With who?”

Lol

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

(03-09-2020 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

What is terrible about the stadium location, except for being in Oxford?

(03-09-2020 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

I know you are one of those guys who root for both UC and OSU (and that is your right) but Miami’s lack of support is partially because their students and alums are such big OSU fans- to the point they neglect their own school. UC is still like to this for some, but 20 years ago it was a serious issue and that is why our support struggled. The other factor for lack of support is most of their alumni live outside Oxford. It’s a trek to get to Oxford even for the ones that live in Cincinnati.

Their basketball arena is severely outdated. That basketball program has fallen not just behind UC, Dayton and X, but also Wright State and NKU locally. There are too many DI football and basketball schools in the state.

(03-09-2020 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

I know you are one of those guys who root for both UC and OSU (and that is your right) but Miami’s lack of support is partially because their students and alums are such big OSU fans- to the point they neglect their own school. UC is still like to this for some, but 20 years ago it was a serious issue and that is why our support struggled. The other factor for lack of support is most of their alumni live outside Oxford. It’s a trek to get to Oxford even for the ones that live in Cincinnati.

Their basketball arena is severely outdated. That basketball program has fallen not just behind UC, Dayton and X, but also Wright State and NKU locally. There are too many DI football and basketball schools in the state.

I get a drive from Cincy or Dayton to Oxford on a winter night is not fun, but driving to Oxford for a Saturday FB game in the fall should be no big deal. Even on Saturday afternoon except for UC fans the place is almost empty. Once November Maction starts I can understand.

(03-09-2020 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

I know you are one of those guys who root for both UC and OSU (and that is your right) but Miami’s lack of support is partially because their students and alums are such big OSU fans- to the point they neglect their own school. UC is still like to this for some, but 20 years ago it was a serious issue and that is why our support struggled. The other factor for lack of support is most of their alumni live outside Oxford. It’s a trek to get to Oxford even for the ones that live in Cincinnati.

Their basketball arena is severely outdated. That basketball program has fallen not just behind UC, Dayton and X, but also Wright State and NKU locally. There are too many DI football and basketball schools in the state.

I don't root for OSU often, but I don't hate them like most people around here. I always want them to beat Michigan if only for payback for all the **** people used to talk when I was growing up in the 90's...but it makes me giddy on the inside when OSU loses a game or two a year and I can see all my co-workers sad.

Martin's recent in-conference success notwithstanding, Miami Athletics have taken a big tumble in recent decades. In football, they had a giant killer reputation and were the self-proclaimed "cradle of coaches", winning big non-conference games and playing high profile programs in the Tangerine Bowl. Miami dominated UC locally in football many seasons. That mojo is completely gone.

I do look forward to the "road trip" this fall and hope our fans turn out to dominate their "crowd". And to Fickell's credit, he's taken that game seriously in terms of preparation. Could it be a trap game this season? Possibly, if our team is ranked and looking ahead to Nebraska.

Miami basketball--totally irrelevant.

(03-09-2020 07:32 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

I know you are one of those guys who root for both UC and OSU (and that is your right) but Miami’s lack of support is partially because their students and alums are such big OSU fans- to the point they neglect their own school. UC is still like to this for some, but 20 years ago it was a serious issue and that is why our support struggled. The other factor for lack of support is most of their alumni live outside Oxford. It’s a trek to get to Oxford even for the ones that live in Cincinnati.

Their basketball arena is severely outdated. That basketball program has fallen not just behind UC, Dayton and X, but also Wright State and NKU locally. There are too many DI football and basketball schools in the state.

I get a drive from Cincy or Dayton to Oxford on a winter night is not fun, but driving to Oxford for a Saturday FB game in the fall should be no big deal. Even on Saturday afternoon except for UC fans the place is almost empty. Once November Maction starts I can understand.

When my daughter was a student at Miami in the early 90's I drove the "Highway to Heaven" to Oxford 2 or 3 times a month. It was always a white knuckle unpleasant drive, especially at night. Thankfully, she came to her senses after her sophomore year and transferred to UC.

(03-09-2020 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:53 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:32 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not quite the carousel but Miami U. just extended Chuck Martin's contract.

2014 2-10
2015 3-9
2016 6-7 [St. Pete Bowl L]
2017 5-7
2018 6-6
2019 8-6 [Lending Tree Bowl L]

I get it based on his trajectory. Pretty good year this past season for him.

He's been the 6 years and never beaten an FBS team outside the MAC. Truly mesmerizing.

I don't make it a habit of defending Miami, but a good friend is a fan, so I follow them more than I should. I posted this elsewhere a couple of months back.

He is not really in a weird place. He has actually done a pretty great job at Miami. He took over a dreadful team. Everyone focuses on the non conferance monkey on his back, but it is really not too fair. Since 2016 Miami is 22-9 in MAC play. That is pretty darn good. The problem is there is a severe lack of support by the school, and for many reasons lack of support from students (terrible stadium location being a huge one, along with cold weeknight games) and alumni for a pretty decent MAC program.

He has not been able to get a FBS out of conference win, but the scheduling has not done him any favors.

2016 - #17 Iowa, an 11-3 WKU. They had a chance to beat a bad UC team, and really ****** up losing to East Illinois.

2017 - #22 Notre Dame, a decent Marshall team (which they played well) and they should have beat UC this year

2018 - a deceptively hard schedule with losses to Marshall ( 1 score game), A much-improved UC (finished the season #24), 1 point loss to Army ( who finished #19) and a Minnesota team who was trending up with Fleck. Maybe Minnesota is a team Miami fans looked at as a potential upset. A couple MAC teams always seem to sneak up on someone early in the year.

2019 - Losses to #20 Iowa, #6 OSU, Cincinnati (Now ranked #17).

They are playing some very solid OOC teams, and wins won't come easy. I am not sure what people expect Martin to do. Miami needs to try and get a home and home with C-USA, Sun Belt, or bottom feeder AAC teams to try and go along with their buy games against big programs. The couple Conference USA teams they have played have all been in the upper half, or winners of the conference. No shame in those losses.

I know you are one of those guys who root for both UC and OSU (and that is your right) but Miami’s lack of support is partially because their students and alums are such big OSU fans- to the point they neglect their own school. UC is still like to this for some, but 20 years ago it was a serious issue and that is why our support struggled. The other factor for lack of support is most of their alumni live outside Oxford. It’s a trek to get to Oxford even for the ones that live in Cincinnati.

Their basketball arena is severely outdated. That basketball program has fallen not just behind UC, Dayton and X, but also Wright State and NKU locally. There are too many DI football and basketball schools in the state.

Bolded item... IMO that's not MU's prob. Ohio's number of D1 teams and even mix of FBS football to D1 schools compares pretty favorably to NC, FL and TX. IMO the Redhawks suffer from being a small school that formerly played "bigger" than it's conference and location would suggest. As UC hoops and football grew and XU hoops grew there wasn't enough high visibility success to maintain a small (# of students/alumni) school's niche sports-wise. And MU's proximity to major pro sports franchises doesn't help either. I think MU can still be successful as a D1 football and basketball entity but not if their comparison group is P5 or even P6/P7 schools.