The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

(09-02-2019 10:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The MWC had a better week than the AAC, but strategically they are in a tough position. Like swimming against the tide, it is difficult to overcome less money and less media exposure compared to the AAC - especially when Boise takes a disproportional share of MWC resources.

So, pulling for schools that have financial advantages that allow them to "buy" better players is how AAC fans get their rocks off.

Thus, markets over performance, thus USM gets left for dead while all you degenerates gloat.

More power (6) to you.


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(09-02-2019 12:15 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

Overall, home field advantage has been diminishing in college football, as home teams have only won about 52% of their home games in recent years. But despite that trend, you may have something with regard to MWC and AAC games. I checked it out for Boise State, since they're generally accepted as being the premier G5 by a pretty good margin when you look at how consistent they've been. Granted, they're only one team from those two conferences, so it's hardly a big sample size, but here's how it pans out for BSU in the last 16 years, plus one game this year...

Vs. P5 on Road: 4-8
Vs. P5 at Home: 7-2
Vs. P5 at Neutral Site: 8-5

Vs. BYU on Road: 2-2
Vs. BYU at Home: 5-0

I did BYU separately because they're technically not truly P5, though many really kinda consider them to be.

As we can see though, while Boise State is an impressive 19-15 overall vs. P5 in the last 16 years, they're 4-8 on the road. And while they're also 7-2 overall vs. BYU, they're only 2-2 against them on the road.

Be my guest if anyone else wants to check it out for another program though. I've gotta get back to using my Labor Day "holiday" to catch up on grading. lol

(09-02-2019 02:17 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  MWC
Boise 36 - 31 Florida State
Hawaii 45 - 38 Arizona
Nevada 34-31 Purdue
Wyoming 37 - 31 Missouri
Wake Forest 38 - 35 Utah State
USC 31 - 23 Fresno



AAC
Wisconsin 49 - 0 South Florida
NC State 34 - 6 East Carolina
Michigan State 28 - 7 Tulsa
Oklahoma 49 - 31 Houston (never even close trash pts)

lol...it was 21 nothing in no time---but Houston closed it to just 21-10 by the half. Yeah---we didnt look good. At least we weren't staring at 38-0 going into the 4th quarter. Its also not like we are picked to win the AAC. Heck, we arent even picked to win our division. We have some rebuilding to do.

(09-02-2019 01:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 12:15 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

Overall, home field advantage has been diminishing in college football, as home teams have only won about 52% of their home games in recent years. But despite that trend, you may have something with regard to MWC and AAC games. I checked it out for Boise State, since they're generally accepted as being the premier G5 by a pretty good margin when you look at how consistent they've been. Granted, they're only one team from those two conferences, so it's hardly a big sample size, but here's how it pans out for BSU in the last 16 years, plus one game this year...

Vs. P5 on Road: 4-8
Vs. P5 at Home: 7-2
Vs. P5 at Neutral Site: 8-5

Vs. BYU on Road: 2-2
Vs. BYU at Home: 5-0

I did BYU separately because they're technically not truly P5, though many really kinda consider them to be.

As we can see though, while Boise State is an impressive 19-15 overall vs. P5 in the last 16 years, they're 4-8 on the road. And while they're also 7-2 overall vs. BYU, they're only 2-2 against them on the road.

Be my guest if anyone else wants to check it out for another program though. I've gotta get back to using my Labor Day "holiday" to catch up on grading. lol

Good research, I agree Boise State is the premier G5 program.

Take Memphis. I am somewhat of a Tiger fan and was happy to see them beat Ole Miss. But taking that win and looking back 10 years, here is the breakdown of their P5 games:

10 years = 17 games against P5 schools (7 home games)
Record = Home games - 4 out of 7 -- Ole Miss (2X) UCLA and Kansas
Record = Away games - 1 out of 10 -- Kansas

They also lost 3 bowl games in that time to P5 schools so you could call it 5 and 15 over the last 10 years against P5 teams

I am not trying to take a swipe at Memphis, but AAC schools with more $$ don't have to schedule money games against power house schools and they usually don't. They schedule winnable home and home games with lower tier P5 that give them an opportunity to win. It's smart. If CUSA and SBC teams could afford to do the same, they would knock off more P5 teams.

(09-02-2019 02:13 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Good research, I agree Boise State is the premier G5 program.

This post makes me angry (not at you, but at the state of our affairs). Over a decade ago, that was being said of Marshall. But we have ceded the crown to them.

Marshall and Boise are tied for most bowl wins amount G5 programs (12 wins each). Marshall and Boise are the only two G5 programs with three consecutive 10-win seasons on multiple occasions. They had their big run this time a decade ago, and we got Snyder’ed and Holliday’ed.

I am expecting a good game against them this week. Our next three weeks are against G5 conference favorites, so this is sort of a quarterfinal for us to a NY6 bowl (MWC favorite this week, MAC favorite next week, and top AAC Cincinnati). We control our own fate this season.

(09-02-2019 10:02 AM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 09:17 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:36 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Congrats Side Show! You are under pony’s skin! Please, kick this troll’s @!

I actually get along with Pony94. He is a levelheaded poster, and not one to venture over just to trash talk. He probably is just tired of you and some others pimping your programs on the AAC board.

You’re no fun. There is no P6. And pimping isn’t easy.

True, there is no P6. But, I don't remember reading Pony make any P6 claims on our board either.

(09-01-2019 09:37 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Georgia State beat Tenn in Knoxville, is the Sunbelt P6 also?

Ole Miss has been under NCAA sanctions, with less scholarships. Hardly a legit P5 scalp.

Georgia State was 2 - 10 last year, UT is going to be awful this year, have to wonder if their head coach will be around next week.

(09-02-2019 01:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 12:15 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

Overall, home field advantage has been diminishing in college football, as home teams have only won about 52% of their home games in recent years. But despite that trend, you may have something with regard to MWC and AAC games. I checked it out for Boise State, since they're generally accepted as being the premier G5 by a pretty good margin when you look at how consistent they've been. Granted, they're only one team from those two conferences, so it's hardly a big sample size, but here's how it pans out for BSU in the last 16 years, plus one game this year...

Vs. P5 on Road: 4-8
Vs. P5 at Home: 7-2
Vs. P5 at Neutral Site: 8-5

Vs. BYU on Road: 2-2
Vs. BYU at Home: 5-0

I did BYU separately because they're technically not truly P5, though many really kinda consider them to be.

As we can see though, while Boise State is an impressive 19-15 overall vs. P5 in the last 16 years, they're 4-8 on the road. And while they're also 7-2 overall vs. BYU, they're only 2-2 against them on the road.

Be my guest if anyone else wants to check it out for another program though. I've gotta get back to using my Labor Day "holiday" to catch up on grading. lol

I'll play.

Navy vs BCS Auto-Qual or CFP Contract-Bowl-Conference teams, 2003-2018:
23-36 overall.
Yes, four more wins than Boise had in that timeframe.

10-13 at home*
10-17 away
3-6 neutral*

*counting Navy's end of ND home-and-home as Navy homegames in NFL stadia. Likewise 2014 game vs Ohio State at the Ravens' stadium. Counts bowl games as neutral site, even the two at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium.

(09-01-2019 09:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Memphis beat Ole Miss and Cincy beat UCLA...CUSA should be so lucky. (I'm not even going to mention Tulane vs FIU)

You beat the number 11 team in the SEC. How about playing some of the top SEC teams. You know Bama, MSU, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Fla.?

(09-02-2019 03:04 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 02:13 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Good research, I agree Boise State is the premier G5 program.

This post makes me angry (not at you, but at the state of our affairs). Over a decade ago, that was being said of Marshall. But we have ceded the crown to them.

Marshall and Boise are tied for most bowl wins amount G5 programs (12 wins each). Marshall and Boise are the only two G5 programs with three consecutive 10-win seasons on multiple occasions. They had their big run this time a decade ago, and we got Snyder’ed and Holliday’ed.

I am expecting a good game against them this week. Our next three weeks are against G5 conference favorites, so this is sort of a quarterfinal for us to a NY6 bowl (MWC favorite this week, MAC favorite next week, and top AAC Cincinnati). We control our own fate this season.

Sorry I don’t ever remember that being said of Marshall. Marshall never went to multiple BCS Bowls and certainly didn’t beat a top program in a BCS bowl.
Boise was also ranked as high as #2 in the AP, the highest ranking I can remember any G5/nonBCS school in the modern era.

(09-02-2019 03:46 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 01:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 12:15 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

Overall, home field advantage has been diminishing in college football, as home teams have only won about 52% of their home games in recent years. But despite that trend, you may have something with regard to MWC and AAC games. I checked it out for Boise State, since they're generally accepted as being the premier G5 by a pretty good margin when you look at how consistent they've been. Granted, they're only one team from those two conferences, so it's hardly a big sample size, but here's how it pans out for BSU in the last 16 years, plus one game this year...

Vs. P5 on Road: 4-8
Vs. P5 at Home: 7-2
Vs. P5 at Neutral Site: 8-5

Vs. BYU on Road: 2-2
Vs. BYU at Home: 5-0

I did BYU separately because they're technically not truly P5, though many really kinda consider them to be.

As we can see though, while Boise State is an impressive 19-15 overall vs. P5 in the last 16 years, they're 4-8 on the road. And while they're also 7-2 overall vs. BYU, they're only 2-2 against them on the road.

Be my guest if anyone else wants to check it out for another program though. I've gotta get back to using my Labor Day "holiday" to catch up on grading. lol

I'll play.

Navy vs BCS Auto-Qual or CFP Contract-Bowl-Conference teams, 2003-2018:
23-36 overall.
Yes, four more wins than Boise had in that timeframe.

10-13 at home*
10-17 away
3-6 neutral*

*counting Navy's end of ND home-and-home as Navy homegames in NFL stadia. Likewise 2014 game vs Ohio State at the Ravens' stadium. Counts bowl games as neutral site, even the two at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium.

Four more wins, but 25 more games. Navy's P5 win percentage is .390 and Boise's is .559. Still, not bad though. Interesting that there isn't much of a difference between your home and away winning percentages, so yours falls more in line with the overall trend I mentioned. Thanks for the input.

(09-02-2019 03:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 10:02 AM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 09:17 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:36 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Congrats Side Show! You are under pony’s skin! Please, kick this troll’s @!

I actually get along with Pony94. He is a levelheaded poster, and not one to venture over just to trash talk. He probably is just tired of you and some others pimping your programs on the AAC board.

You’re no fun. There is no P6. And pimping isn’t easy.

True, there is no P6. But, I don't remember reading Pony make any P6 claims on our board either.

Lighten up, it’s all in good natured fun. I’m honored Pony slummed it to answer my post. And it makes me smile he was so irritated he edited his post to enhance it. But - make no mistake - there is no p6. And I’m now pulling for SMU next week. Perhaps you should spot them 28 points like we did to you last year.

(09-02-2019 02:13 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 01:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 12:15 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

Overall, home field advantage has been diminishing in college football, as home teams have only won about 52% of their home games in recent years. But despite that trend, you may have something with regard to MWC and AAC games. I checked it out for Boise State, since they're generally accepted as being the premier G5 by a pretty good margin when you look at how consistent they've been. Granted, they're only one team from those two conferences, so it's hardly a big sample size, but here's how it pans out for BSU in the last 16 years, plus one game this year...

Vs. P5 on Road: 4-8
Vs. P5 at Home: 7-2
Vs. P5 at Neutral Site: 8-5

Vs. BYU on Road: 2-2
Vs. BYU at Home: 5-0

I did BYU separately because they're technically not truly P5, though many really kinda consider them to be.

As we can see though, while Boise State is an impressive 19-15 overall vs. P5 in the last 16 years, they're 4-8 on the road. And while they're also 7-2 overall vs. BYU, they're only 2-2 against them on the road.

Be my guest if anyone else wants to check it out for another program though. I've gotta get back to using my Labor Day "holiday" to catch up on grading. lol

Good research, I agree Boise State is the premier G5 program.

(09-02-2019 10:43 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 09:17 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 10:36 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Congrats Side Show! You are under pony’s skin! Please, kick this troll’s @!

I actually get along with Pony94. I am his WHORE* on the AAC board.

FIFY

FIFY

(09-02-2019 04:55 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 03:46 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 01:36 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 12:15 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  The key to MWC and AAC getting more wins against P5 is home games. CUSA and SBC don't get as many chances and often times have to schedule road games with top half P5s for a money game instead of getting home/home games against marginal P5s

Overall, home field advantage has been diminishing in college football, as home teams have only won about 52% of their home games in recent years. But despite that trend, you may have something with regard to MWC and AAC games. I checked it out for Boise State, since they're generally accepted as being the premier G5 by a pretty good margin when you look at how consistent they've been. Granted, they're only one team from those two conferences, so it's hardly a big sample size, but here's how it pans out for BSU in the last 16 years, plus one game this year...

Vs. P5 on Road: 4-8
Vs. P5 at Home: 7-2
Vs. P5 at Neutral Site: 8-5

Vs. BYU on Road: 2-2
Vs. BYU at Home: 5-0

I did BYU separately because they're technically not truly P5, though many really kinda consider them to be.

As we can see though, while Boise State is an impressive 19-15 overall vs. P5 in the last 16 years, they're 4-8 on the road. And while they're also 7-2 overall vs. BYU, they're only 2-2 against them on the road.

Be my guest if anyone else wants to check it out for another program though. I've gotta get back to using my Labor Day "holiday" to catch up on grading. lol

I'll play.

Navy vs BCS Auto-Qual or CFP Contract-Bowl-Conference teams, 2003-2018:
23-36 overall.
Yes, four more wins than Boise had in that timeframe.

10-13 at home*
10-17 away
3-6 neutral*

*counting Navy's end of ND home-and-home as Navy homegames in NFL stadia. Likewise 2014 game vs Ohio State at the Ravens' stadium. Counts bowl games as neutral site, even the two at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium.

Four more wins, but 25 more games. Navy's P5 win percentage is .390 and Boise's is .559. Still, not bad though. Interesting that there isn't much of a difference between your home and away winning percentages, so yours falls more in line with the overall trend I mentioned. Thanks for the input.

Agreed - we had a lot more opportunities as an independent. In four years since joining the AAC, our record vs CFP contract-bowl-conference teams is 3-3: 1-3 vs ND (the one win at "home" in Jacksonville) and 2-0 vs the ACC in bowl games...both of which were at NMCMS.
That overall schedule flexibility is the biggest thing to miss, now that we are in a conference and have 3 OOC opponents set.

AND Navy is just an outlier with the ND/OSU games at NFL stadia. Jax and SD were Navy crowds, but ND has more fans in other northeastern sites as well as Dublin, and OSU almost certainly outnumbered us at Ravens stadium (I was at those last two mentioned and admit we were outnumbered).

Navy vs auto-qual/"P5" at
NMCMS - 8-7
True away - 10-17
Neutral venue - 5-12

...which supports your overall point.

(09-02-2019 01:19 PM)Noodles Wrote:  

(09-02-2019 10:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The MWC had a better week than the AAC, but strategically they are in a tough position. Like swimming against the tide, it is difficult to overcome less money and less media exposure compared to the AAC - especially when Boise takes a disproportional share of MWC resources.

So, pulling for schools that have financial advantages that allow them to "buy" better players is how AAC fans get their rocks off.

Thus, markets over performance, thus USM gets left for dead while all you degenerates gloat.

More power (6) to you.


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yes, things like budget and market actually matter...it's why USM is still in CUSA. You already know this so why get all mad about it?

(09-02-2019 02:36 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Take Memphis. I am somewhat of a Tiger fan and was happy to see them beat Ole Miss. But taking that win and looking back 10 years, here is the breakdown of their P5 games:

10 years = 17 games against P5 schools (7 home games)
Record = Home games - 4 out of 7 -- Ole Miss (2X) UCLA and Kansas
Record = Away games - 1 out of 10 -- Kansas

They also lost 3 bowl games in that time to P5 schools so you could call it 5 and 15 over the last 10 years against P5 teams

I am not trying to take a swipe at Memphis, but AAC schools with more $$ don't have to schedule money games against power house schools and they usually don't. They schedule winnable home and home games with lower tier P5 that give them an opportunity to win. It's smart. If CUSA and SBC teams could afford to do the same, they would knock off more P5 teams.

^ I agree with this...but don't forget we're doing a 2-1 with Arkansas for 1 million and a 'buy game' with Purdue for 800k

that indoor practice facility isn't going to pay for itself :-)

(09-02-2019 04:19 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(09-01-2019 09:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Memphis beat Ole Miss and Cincy beat UCLA...CUSA should be so lucky. (I'm not even going to mention Tulane vs FIU)

You beat the number 11 team in the SEC. How about playing some of the top SEC teams. You know Bama, MSU, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Fla.?

so go beat em and get back to me...