(08-20-2019 02:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Silicon Valley aren't public institutions. That is the difference. TEXAS has a law that covers this. What Silicon Valley, or any other private company does is irrelevant.

It works the same for head coaching, just as it does for University Deans, Wall Street execs, any company executive board.

Posting is merely an antiquated formality for this level of a position. Not doing so is more a clerical process error than anything else. Nobody is ever selected from the posting system for a position at this level. Posting it does nothing.

That is the reality. If you want more inclusion, then it has to be forced at the interview level, since nobody gives any serious attention to replies to public postings - it just doesn't work that way. The NFL came to realize that, and the same is true for colleges. That is why the NFL has a Rooney rule for interviewing, and why College Sports needs one.

(08-20-2019 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UConn's exit fee might come in handy!
https://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/art...363564.php

If the truth were known, and it may come out, i bet this complaintant is correct, UH probably did not follow the mandated hiring process.

Whether it's worth $20m or not, I don't know.

I suspect we did not follow the proper process. I also suspect the damages to the plantiff are zero as Mr Simms had absolutely no chance of being hired over Dana. In fact, with 8 years of head coaching experience at the P5 level---I dont believe anyone was likely "more qualified" than who UH ended up hiring.

Yes, when this guy argues that he was 'more qualified' than Dana, that's a purely subjective claim and one that doesn't make sense given what we know of their respective resumes, and in any event probably has no legal standing.

He's unlikely to get anything, but Houston could be vulnerable in some kind of class-action sense, meaning some lawyers could get paid while the 'class' of effected coaches gets a pittance.

I don't know what, if anything, Texas law says is to be done if a school violates the process.

On a related note, Dana at Houston is going to be very interesting to watch. On the one hand, it was a boost to Houston's campaign to present itself as "P5 ready" to be able to lure a high-profile coach away from a P5 institution. On the other, I'm not sure there is any school, P5 or G5, that would have been willing to pay him $4m a year. He was hired at WVU with high hopes back in 2010, in part because of his success at Houston as an OC, and he started with a bang, routing Clemson in the 2011 Orange Bowl. But after that, IMO, he was a mediocre coach at WVU. Not a bad coach, just mediocre. He just never caught fire. He occasionally produced exciting teams that would win some games, but in the end they always seemed to sputter out. Was lucky to be there as long as he was, certainly wasn't in line to be head-hunted by another P5 for a significant boost in salary.

Interesting list of "partners" for his organization.

Link

(08-21-2019 09:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 12:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 11:58 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UConn's exit fee might come in handy!
https://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/art...363564.php

If the truth were known, and it may come out, i bet this complaintant is correct, UH probably did not follow the mandated hiring process.

Whether it's worth $20m or not, I don't know.

I suspect we did not follow the proper process. I also suspect the damages to the plantiff are zero as Mr Simms had absolutely no chance of being hired over Dana. In fact, with 8 years of head coaching experience at the P5 level---I dont believe anyone was likely "more qualified" than who UH ended up hiring.

Yes, when this guy argues that he was 'more qualified' than Dana, that's a purely subjective claim and one that doesn't make sense given what we know of their respective resumes, and in any event probably has no legal standing.

He's unlikely to get anything, but Houston could be vulnerable in some kind of class-action sense, meaning some lawyers could get paid while the 'class' of effected coaches gets a pittance.

I don't know what, if anything, Texas law says is to be done if a school violates the process.

On a related note, Dana at Houston is going to be very interesting to watch. On the one hand, it was a boost to Houston's campaign to present itself as "P5 ready" to be able to lure a high-profile coach away from a P5 institution. On the other, I'm not sure there is any school, P5 or G5, that would have been willing to pay him $4m a year. He was hired at WVU with high hopes back in 2010, in part because of his success at Houston as an OC, and he started with a bang, routing Clemson in the 2011 Orange Bowl. But after that, IMO, he was a mediocre coach at WVU. Not a bad coach, just mediocre. He just never caught fire. He occasionally produced exciting teams that would win some games, but in the end they always seemed to sputter out. Was lucky to be there as long as he was, certainly wasn't in line to be head-hunted by another P5 for a significant boost in salary.

Speaking of which, Bill Stewart got totally screwed by Oliver Luck. 70% winning percentage. 11% more than Holgorsen. Even higher than RichRod.

In reality, I am not sure there would have been an opening had Dana not expressed interest.

Applewhite had three years left on his contract, with two winning seasons in a row to start his career.

You don't fire that coach unless you know you have someone better locked up.

(08-21-2019 11:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Speaking of which, Bill Stewart got totally screwed by Oliver Luck. 70% winning percentage. 11% more than Holgorsen. Even higher than RichRod.

Eh, I'm not so sure. He took over from RR when WVU was at an all-time high. IMO, he kind of rode RR's fumes for a couple years, but the program was treading water, albeit at still a pretty high level.

In any event, IIRC, he died tragically at a relatively young age within a year of leaving WVU, so he wasn't going to have the job for much longer any way.