I used to really like ASOR, but now it’s about useless since it became a pay site. I appreciate all the work they put into it. But I miss all the info that was available.

(07-27-2019 04:34 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I used to really like ASOR, but now it’s about useless since it became a pay site. I appreciate all the work they put into it. But I miss all the info that was available.

I would have to disagree with you on that. They have been producing so many content to us for so many years while trying to provide for their families. They deserve some support from theIt users. It’s not free for them to do what they do, and they never asked for a single penny for years. Now that athletics is going to expand, it’s going to cost more to be an independent media outlet for sports. With that’s being said, they are not forcing anyone to subscribe to the club. They’re still even giving out content that those who are not involve in club can still access. They’re doing all the hard work to get the info that we enjoy, so it’s time for us to support and fund them as we are in a new era of LU athletics.

It's capitalism, right? They can charge for their content but they also have to deal with much less traffic. Now they have to produce content at an acceptable pace to be worth what they are charging. If the market doesn't respond positively, they will have to change or lose money. I am quite confident they were making advertising money through Google or whoever prior to being a subscription.

Maybe now would be a good time to start a free blog/website which gets advertising revenue as an alternative. I would love to do that but I just don't have the time or capability to be successful.

I liked A Sea of Red when they first started but once they merged with Flames Fans I couldn't support them anymore.

Ever since I was accepted into my LU program, I have been a casual visitor to ASOR (I don't post on ASOR). I certainly understand why some are frustrated with paying for club material. ASOR provides interesting and relevant information about the Flames. Army Mike was posting about Bellarmine to the ASUN before ASOR even mentioned BU to the ASUN. BTW great job Mike. I try to look for multiple sources about all things LU Flames.

ASOR is like the old folks home for safe spaces. Weird ideas on the forum and they don’t really come to where everyone else posts like CSN. There was a entire thread about the music at games. Pretty much the majority wanted boring Christian music. I have been to games and I liked the music it was a bit of everything. But it seems like a place people go to all agree with themselves.

I use to post there, but always forget my log in info.

(07-27-2019 10:09 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  ASOR is like the old folks home for safe spaces. Weird ideas on the forum and they don’t really come to where everyone else posts like CSN. There was a entire thread about the music at games. Pretty much the majority wanted boring Christian music. I have been to games and I liked the music it was a bit of everything. But it seems like a place people go to all agree with themselves.

Yes, exactly! Heaven forbid if you do something you don't like. You are then ostracized. It's a very unwelcoming, toxic environment from my experience.

It’s okay but a lot of ASOR’s content comes after it’s discussed on the board. For example I posted on there that UCONN was going Indy for sure then like 45 mins they made an article. It’s decent content but most of it is found on message boards.

(07-28-2019 07:19 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 10:09 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  ASOR is like the old folks home for safe spaces. Weird ideas on the forum and they don’t really come to where everyone else posts like CSN. There was a entire thread about the music at games. Pretty much the majority wanted boring Christian music. I have been to games and I liked the music it was a bit of everything. But it seems like a place people go to all agree with themselves.

Yes, exactly! Heaven forbid if you do something you don't like. You are then ostracized. It's a very unwelcoming, toxic environment from my experience.

They are too chicken sh*t to come to the big boy board with all the other FBS schools. They want to be in the world just not of the world. If you are a lurker from time to time you’ll see people talk about if LU changes to much it should be burnt down. Ummm yeah thats called arson and inflexible organizations in history die when they don’t change with the times.

(07-27-2019 06:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Maybe now would be a good time to start a free blog/website which gets advertising revenue as an alternative. I would love to do that but I just don't have the time or capability to be successful.

Are you serious? What would you do that ASOR is not doing today? Advertising revenue for ASOR was less than 10,000 / year......considerably less. That was primarily built off of the FlameFans following over the last 20 years. The free blog idea is what they have done and continue to do. The majority of the site is FREE. Nothing has changed from the previous model. There is new content that is included in the paid subscription side. Jon Manson has continually sacrificed his time to provide good content for those that follow LU athletics. I wish him the best as he tries to make it self sustaining.

(07-27-2019 06:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I liked A Sea of Red when they first started but once they merged with Flames Fans I couldn't support them anymore.

A Sea of Red was always FlameFans. Manson & Co. took over the site from the previous group that wanted to pass the torch to a younger generation. LU convincingly persuaded them to drop the FlameFans name. It has always been the same thing. It was a message board and they have moved to adding solid blog content and social media connections.

(07-28-2019 09:57 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  It’s okay but a lot of ASOR’s content comes after it’s discussed on the board. For example I posted on there that UCONN was going Indy for sure then like 45 mins they made an article. It’s decent content but most of it is found on message boards.

Do you think they saw your post and rushed to put a story together? There is a big difference between message board chatter/hype/gossip and sourced material. ASOR provides solid content. Their goal is not to be the first to announce something. Sometimes when you have sources, you only share the content and keep the trust of the source when you report the story, not when you break it. The ASOR content is primarily validated through coaches, players and administrative staff, FOIA requests and other legitimate sources.

(07-30-2019 08:50 PM)SumItUp Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 09:57 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  It’s okay but a lot of ASOR’s content comes after it’s discussed on the board. For example I posted on there that UCONN was going Indy for sure then like 45 mins they made an article. It’s decent content but most of it is found on message boards.

Do you think they saw your post and rushed to put a story together? There is a big difference between message board chatter/hype/gossip and sourced material. ASOR provides solid content. Their goal is not to be the first to announce something. Sometimes when you have sources, you only share the content and keep the trust of the source when you report the story, not when you break it. The ASOR content is primarily validated through coaches, players and administrative staff, FOIA requests and other legitimate sources.

All I can say is it seems awfully convenient that they put together content, outside of LU, on there when it’s being talked about on the forum. It’s always the same info that’s being talked about on the forums. So do I think they get ideas from the forum then turn around and put together an article? Yes.

School forums provide a service and a perspective. Forums like CSNbbs provide another service with a greater multitude of differing views and content. There's greater scrutiny of one's posts in this forum and a much broader prospective with others to quickly agree, challenge, and an exchange of ideas and positions versus a fan friendly site whose purpose is solely for one school. All schools that have their fan forums have this identity. It's just a personal preference. Narrow and focused vs. board and far reaching.

(07-31-2019 12:22 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  School forums provide a service and a perspective. Forums like CSNbbs provide another service with a greater multitude of differing views and content. There's greater scrutiny of one's posts in this forum and a much broader prospective with others to quickly agree, challenge, and an exchange of ideas and positions versus a fan friendly site whose purpose is solely for one school. All schools that have their fan forums have this identity. It's just a personal preference. Narrow and focused vs. board and far reaching.

Yep this is true. Since FBS is broad and far reaching it is beneficial for folks to be on here. Hard to be a nationally recognized uni if your fans keep it all in the family.

Really didn’t mean to light a fire against A Sea of Red. They are great and provide a good service. I just miss getting free info from them.

(07-30-2019 08:29 PM)SumItUp Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 06:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Maybe now would be a good time to start a free blog/website which gets advertising revenue as an alternative. I would love to do that but I just don't have the time or capability to be successful.

Are you serious? What would you do that ASOR is not doing today? Advertising revenue for ASOR was less than 10,000 / year......considerably less. That was primarily built off of the FlameFans following over the last 20 years. The free blog idea is what they have done and continue to do. The majority of the site is FREE. Nothing has changed from the previous model. There is new content that is included in the paid subscription side. Jon Manson has continually sacrificed his time to provide good content for those that follow LU athletics. I wish him the best as he tries to make it self sustaining.

I don't pay attention to ASOR so I don't know what I would do differently. I don't know how that is relevant to letting the market dictate their success. If it is doing as poorly as you suggest, maybe it shouldn't exist.

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(07-27-2019 06:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I liked A Sea of Red when they first started but once they merged with Flames Fans I couldn't support them anymore.

A Sea of Red was always FlameFans. Manson & Co. took over the site from the previous group that wanted to pass the torch to a younger generation. LU convincingly persuaded them to drop the FlameFans name. It has always been the same thing. It was a message board and they have moved to adding solid blog content and social media connections.

When the blog started, I distinctly remember it not being linked with the forums. The blog was Flames Nation and then merged with FlameFans and then rebranded as ASOR. Once they merged together, I was out of there. It wasn't long after they started, but they were separate.

(07-31-2019 03:43 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Really didn’t mean to light a fire against A Sea of Red. They are great and provide a good service. I just miss getting free info from them.

You can still get free contentprobably 1 out of 4 are free still

(07-31-2019 03:43 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Really didn’t mean to light a fire against A Sea of Red. They are great and provide a good service. I just miss getting free info from them.

The same info they had previously for FREE is still there. That has not changed. They just added a paid version that allows members to get additional info. They are posting more free info now (current month compared to 1 year ago) than they did before the paid club membership began.

I paid the $84 because I follow Liberty the most, and to my support fellow alumni do what they and I love- cover Liberty sports. However, I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of coverage that i receive. I really enjoy the mostly daily links, where they post articles from all over concerning Liberty sports and former Liberty athletes.

However, I've always enjoyed the forums the most. They're informative and most of the time pretty amusing. Some of the discussions have even gotten into philosophical and theological discussions that I have appreciated. Overall, it's better than this board merely because there's more users. On top of that, the only "insider" information that I remember this board having over ASOR was ArmyMike's Bellamerane (forgive my spelling) info. I mostly read the other schools and conferences on this board to get their perspectives of things.

That said most of the other major programs do not appear to use CSNBBS as much as some may think. Many of the other schools' pages, especially P5's seem to be rarely used. Most schools' fans use their schools own perspective fan boards.

(08-01-2019 08:15 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  I paid the $84 because I follow Liberty the most, and to my support fellow alumni do what they and I love- cover Liberty sports. However, I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of coverage that i receive. I really enjoy the mostly daily links, where they post articles from all over concerning Liberty sports and former Liberty athletes.

However, I've always enjoyed the forums the most. They're informative and most of the time pretty amusing. Some of the discussions have even gotten into philosophical and theological discussions that I have appreciated. Overall, it's better than this board merely because there's more users. On top of that, the only "insider" information that I remember this board having over ASOR was ArmyMike's Bellamerane (forgive my spelling) info. I mostly read the other schools and conferences on this board to get their perspectives of things.

That said most of the other major programs do not appear to use CSNBBS as much as some may think. Many of the other schools' pages, especially P5's seem to be rarely used. Most schools' fans use their schools own perspective fan boards.

To say ASOR is better than this board is a subjective statement. As some may agree not all will. It may be better for you and your wants and less for others. As the FB season begins, CSNbbs has lots of interplay between fans as the teams compete. I've learned a great deal from dialogue with opposing team fans about their teams, players to watch, and uncommon and unknown details. True, one has at times to wade through the rhetoric and homerism expressed by some. This board simply has a broader view than a home team fan site. And we who only posts here get the benefit from those who posts on both. With my Google alerts set, there is much that I receive that Google reports.