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RE: UConn fans do not realize this is a different Big East than the old Big East
(06-25-2019 04:17 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Having MSG says it all. When institutions are in crisis they tend to look back on glory days and say in a delusional way, if we could only go back to how things used to be. So yes Uconn has Msg back, but here is the reality, the days of Bug East being a must see in the Garden are over. This move feels like it is being driven by those who lived through the heyday of the Big East and now believe it's going to be just like it was before. Uconn doesn't need the NBE it needs an intervention.

The Big East Tournament is the best-attended tournament in college basketball and functionally sold out the entire slate this past year without UConn, who's fan base will likely be the best-showing group once they're back due to sheer size and proximity. This isn't a nostalgia move, it's one fueled by the facts today.

(06-25-2019 06:10 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Don't compare any independent to Notre Dame - They are the godfathers of college football

Yeah - that's the whole point. UConn's getting told that they're sure gonna be sorry when Notre Dame's forced to give up their independence, but there's no real indication that's happening anytime soon.
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(06-24-2019 11:43 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 11:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  The only opponents UCONN fans care about playing in football are in the ACC. And they have very loudly not answered your phone calls.

Duke called us back last week, following the lead of BC and NC State. Just finished a series with Cuse and have a buy game at Clemson. But ok...

UConn fans complained about having to go to North Carolina to play conference mate ECU, but the UConn administration is trying to schedule body bag games at Duke and NC State. 03-drunk
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(06-25-2019 07:57 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 11:43 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 11:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  The only opponents UCONN fans care about playing in football are in the ACC. And they have very loudly not answered your phone calls.

Duke called us back last week, following the lead of BC and NC State. Just finished a series with Cuse and have a buy game at Clemson. But ok...

UConn fans complained about having to go to North Carolina to play conference mate ECU, but the UConn administration is trying to schedule body bag games at Duke and NC State. 03-drunk


yeah, uh, so the complaint isn't really about going to the state of North Carolina. It's more of a complaint about going to North Carolina to play ECU. Going there to play Duke, NC ST. or UNC is a different story.
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(06-25-2019 01:48 AM)UConn123 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Bottom line is that UConn admin and fans decided they are a basketball school, and they don't really care about football. I get it. I just wonder how much money they wasted with that effort since they moved to FBS, b/c football is going to die on the vine. But they were doing so poorly anyway, I don't suppose it matters.

They're so bad, even CUSA and the Fun Belt are reportedly not interested in their football. I think they should go back to FCS.

But...I hold no ill will toward them. I understand why they're doing it. Just glad it's not my school. But a southern school that has been playing football for 107 years has a whole different attitude about college football than does a school in CT that started FBS in 2002.

Good luck. There is nothing wrong with trying to be Villanova.

As a lifelong Connecticut resident, UConn alum, and die-hard UConn fan, let me just say that you hit the nail on the head with your post.

I can tell you with certainty from growing up in Connecticut, going to UConn, and personally knowing 200+ friends, family, coworkers etc. that went to or are associated with the university that 60-70% of UConn fans are completely INDIFFERENT towards the football team.

We have no history, pedigree, or tradition with our football program, if we did and the football program was still as bad as it is now, I would absolutely HATE this decision by the university because we would actually have something worth saving.

However, the facts are these, In the short time we have been an FBS team we have been a mediocre to slightly above-average program even during our best year when we went to a fluke Fiesta Bowl in 2011 on an 8-4 record and got trounced by Oklahoma. Quite simply, the football "experiment" did not work.

We are located in BY FAR the worst recruiting grounds in the country. The northeast is a literal wasteland when it comes to football talent. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine have never produced a single 4* prospect, let alone a 5*. Rhode Island has never produced a 5*. NYC for obvious reasons doesn't have much football talent. The few 4* kids that come out of CT each year don't even schedule visits to UConn, they all end up going to Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, etc. This leaves us with no one thats even good enough to recruit in our state. So, what do we do then you ask? Well, we go and pick up the scraps and leftovers from NJ, PA, FL, and the DMV area to fill out our 100+ ranked recruiting classes every year. Not really a recipe for success at the AAC level, let alone the national level.

We are a basketball school. Always have been, always will be and I am extremely happy and proud of our identity as such. This move by the admins finally acknowledges and accepts this fact. Did we NEED this move for basketball? No, I don't believe we needed it, but it is absolutely the right move for a variety of reasons which other posters have already mentioned so I won't reiterate.

You guys can enjoy your football and your basketball in the AAC, but we are going to enjoy our basketball with old time rivals that fully prioritize the sport above all else. We are going all in on trying to return our basketball program to one that is elite and has national championship aspirations. We have a promising head coach that has proven he can build top 25 programs in Rhode Island of all places with very limited resources, and we already have a top 25 recruiting class in his first year. The future of our program is finally looking bright for first time since we lifted that trophy back in 2014 and I couldn't be any happier along with millions of other UConn fans.

As far as the football program is concerned, if it dies I won't be dancing on its grave, but I sure as hell won't cry either.

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Bravo. I couldn’t agree more with what you said. It really comes down to a school’s DNA, and we have different DNA than most schools in this league. Our DNA is that a northern based school that lives and breathes for college basketball. As you said, most UConn fans (and northeasterners in general) are indifferent to college football (and it particularly shows in New England). Our bad coaching hires and dumpster fire W-L record didn’t help our cause either. That isn’t on the AAC. It is squarely on us and on the fact that it is hard to attract a good football coach to a part of the country with no good local recruits.

The exact opposite is true of our southern conference mates. College (and even high school) football is in their DNA and that live and breathe for that while basketball takes a lesser slot in their pecking order.

UConn’s struggles in the AAC in men’s basketball weren’t the conferences fault either, but it is harder to recruit a NYC kid when four hour plane trips to faraway cities are the norm and not the exception (Creighton will be our lone really long flight now). All that travel blows up the budget and makes it hard really hard on student athletes.

As for expansion, even though a Big 12 invite would have covered travel costs, all of those schools are nowhere near us and still wouldn’t have felt like conference rivals (the Big 12 wasn’t taking us anyway with UCF and Cincinnati football available with better geography/recruiting for them). The Big Ten was never taking UConn due to its short FBS history (and the hard lessons learned by taking Rutgers and Maryland into their fold). Our only shot was the ACC and we have failed on multiple attempts to gain access to that league due to the lawsuit and BC opposing our entry. I will say that I am taking joy knowing that our ability to recruit NYC better again will make it harder on BC, Syracuse, and Pitt to get some of the great players with us in the mix as a Big East team. They all gleefully voted “no” to our ACC addition and hoped to kill our program and eliminate us as competition. Sorry, ACC, but it isn’t going down like that now. NYC kids want to play in MSG and UConn is closer to NYC than any of those schools. I fully expect a recruiting uptick to happen.

I could have been happy staying in the AAC (basketball is definitely on the rise and Wichita, Houston, Cincy, Memphis, and Temple are all strong programs) but this decision just makes sense for UConn and its fan base in the long run. Geography SHOULD matter to conference affiliations and this geography works perfectly for us.
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(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013

UConn will get back most women’s hoops rights, football (whatever it’s worth) and some other third tier rights back. The SNY deal was for $1.2M a year before for third tier rights so we’ll see what we get this time around and what we can get for football and other 3rd tier rights. I don’t think we’ll be taking a pay cut at the end of the day.


DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.
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RE: UConn fans do not realize this is a different Big East than the old Big East
(06-25-2019 02:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013

UConn will get back most women’s hoops rights, football (whatever it’s worth) and some other third tier rights back. The SNY deal was for $1.2M a year before for third tier rights so we’ll see what we get this time around and what we can get for football and other 3rd tier rights. I don’t think we’ll be taking a pay cut at the end of the day.


DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.

UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.
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RE: UConn fans do not realize this is a different Big East than the old Big East
(06-25-2019 02:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013

UConn will get back most women’s hoops rights, football (whatever it’s worth) and some other third tier rights back. The SNY deal was for $1.2M a year before for third tier rights so we’ll see what we get this time around and what we can get for football and other 3rd tier rights. I don’t think we’ll be taking a pay cut at the end of the day.


DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.

UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.

the big east deal with fox is for 100% control of the conference....

like our deal with espn, other networks can sublicense games from fox with big east approval
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(06-25-2019 07:22 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 04:17 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Having MSG says it all. When institutions are in crisis they tend to look back on glory days and say in a delusional way, if we could only go back to how things used to be. So yes Uconn has Msg back, but here is the reality, the days of Bug East being a must see in the Garden are over. This move feels like it is being driven by those who lived through the heyday of the Big East and now believe it's going to be just like it was before. Uconn doesn't need the NBE it needs an intervention.

The Big East Tournament is the best-attended tournament in college basketball and functionally sold out the entire slate this past year without UConn, who's fan base will likely be the best-showing group once they're back due to sheer size and proximity. This isn't a nostalgia move, it's one fueled by the facts today.

(06-25-2019 06:10 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Don't compare any independent to Notre Dame - They are the godfathers of college football

Yeah - that's the whole point. UConn's getting told that they're sure gonna be sorry when Notre Dame's forced to give up their independence, but there's no real indication that's happening anytime soon.

You are absolutely correct that the Big East tournament at MSG is one of the better conference tournaments out there due to a variety of factors, but it's also true that it is no longer a national event like it was for so long. It used to be THE tournament during Champ Week. It's not anymore. One of the many reasons to be annoyed at the demise of the original big east.
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RE: UConn fans do not realize this is a different Big East than the old Big East
(06-25-2019 02:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013

UConn will get back most women’s hoops rights, football (whatever it’s worth) and some other third tier rights back. The SNY deal was for $1.2M a year before for third tier rights so we’ll see what we get this time around and what we can get for football and other 3rd tier rights. I don’t think we’ll be taking a pay cut at the end of the day.


DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.

UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.


The fox contract has a pro rata clause up to 12 teams, you're getting the same money as everyone else and the same deal. Its five women's home games. You can sell UConn football and the women's together and probably get a good chunk maybe 2 million. You're still well short on money. Still playing on FS1 where low 5 figure viewership isn't unusual.
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(06-25-2019 03:35 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  You are absolutely correct that the Big East tournament at MSG is one of the better conference tournaments out there due to a variety of factors, but it's also true that it is no longer a national event like it was for so long. It used to be THE tournament during Champ Week. It's not anymore. One of the many reasons to be annoyed at the demise of the original big east.

Like the rest of the Big East, the tournament doesn't need to be the best version of itself that it's ever been to still be significantly better for UConn. Even if the Big East Tournament of 15 years ago may have been better for UConn overall, the current version is still the best college basketball tournament for UConn in the country, full stop. No other conference can offer a sold-out venue with a variety of member's fans in attendance in New York City every. single. year. Not the ACC, not the B1G, nobody.
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(06-25-2019 03:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013

UConn will get back most women’s hoops rights, football (whatever it’s worth) and some other third tier rights back. The SNY deal was for $1.2M a year before for third tier rights so we’ll see what we get this time around and what we can get for football and other 3rd tier rights. I don’t think we’ll be taking a pay cut at the end of the day.


DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.

UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.

the big east deal with fox is for 100% control of the conference....

like our deal with espn, other networks can sublicense games from fox with big east approval

Not according to this article from when it was first signed.

(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013
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RE: UConn fans do not realize this is a different Big East than the old Big East
(06-25-2019 04:21 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 03:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013

UConn will get back most women’s hoops rights, football (whatever it’s worth) and some other third tier rights back. The SNY deal was for $1.2M a year before for third tier rights so we’ll see what we get this time around and what we can get for football and other 3rd tier rights. I don’t think we’ll be taking a pay cut at the end of the day.


DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.

UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.

the big east deal with fox is for 100% control of the conference....

like our deal with espn, other networks can sublicense games from fox with big east approval

Not according to this article from when it was first signed.

(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013


It controls all men's basketball games, all Olympic sports.

It controls everything but about five women's basketball games per team each year.
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(06-25-2019 04:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 04:21 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 03:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  DePaul had a third tier package for the women, its 5 games. I doubt SNY is paying you 1m+ for 5 women's basketball games, your other Olympic sports brought some value as premium filler.

Football? Idk, we'll see but you are trying to make up about 5 million in difference from media, bowl/cfp, plus the exit and entrance fees.

UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.

the big east deal with fox is for 100% control of the conference....

like our deal with espn, other networks can sublicense games from fox with big east approval

Not according to this article from when it was first signed.

(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013


It controls all men's basketball games, all Olympic sports.

It controls everything but about five women's basketball games per team each year.

Do you have a source for that number? When it says that Fox has rights to select women's basketball games, that sounds like a small amount (1st Tier) as opposed to a majority of the inventory (3rd Tier).
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(06-25-2019 04:33 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 04:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 04:21 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 03:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:58 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  UConn will have a deal for all home women's basketball games to be broadcast. The Big East deal with Fox is only for a handful. The majority will likely return to SNY and it'll look a lot like the old contract UConn had with them where they did pay $1.2M a year. I've seen speculation that the Big East contract will go up as well. UConn will be making more money once all is said and done and the exit and entrance fees are paid.

the big east deal with fox is for 100% control of the conference....

like our deal with espn, other networks can sublicense games from fox with big east approval

Not according to this article from when it was first signed.

(06-24-2019 09:42 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
The agreement grants FOX Sports rights to all conference-controlled men’s basketball games, select rights to women’s basketball, all Olympic sports and extensive rights for highlights and to produce ancillary programming.


https://www.foxsports.com/west/story/big...ent-032013


It controls all men's basketball games, all Olympic sports.

It controls everything but about five women's basketball games per team each year.

Do you have a source for that number? When it says that Fox has rights to select women's basketball games, that sounds like a small amount (1st Tier) as opposed to a majority of the inventory (3rd Tier).

It's pretty much the number that other big east teams have got to sell. It probably ranges a little depending on tourneys and neutral games, but 5 is basically average.

The Fox deal is comprehensive and requires a certian number of game rights and of games shown, which is why they have the sub deal with CBS sport.
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(06-24-2019 11:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  The only opponents UCONN fans care about playing in football are in the ACC. And they have very loudly not answered your phone calls.

Duke called us back last week, following the lead of BC and NC State. Just finished a series with Cuse and have a buy game at Clemson. But ok...

UConn fans complained about having to go to North Carolina to play conference mate ECU, but the UConn administration is trying to schedule body bag games at Duke and NC State. 03-drunk


yeah, uh, so the complaint isn't really about going to the state of North Carolina. It's more of a complaint about going to North Carolina to play ECU. Going there to play Duke, NC ST. or UNC is a different story.

Especially coming here and loosing. Amiright Cincy? 07-coffee3
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(06-24-2019 09:49 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:32 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  The reality is that UCONN doesn't fit into the AAC or the Big East (or really any other league). Time will tell regarding this decision, but I'm not the least bit mad about being proactive for once and losing that putz, Aresco, for good.

I also believe the landscape for conference deals will be changing over time. I doubt media companies will pay $50M per year to teams like RU in the B1G when RU is basically leeching off teams like Michigan and OSU. The trend is you might see more independent or individual team deals vs. massive conference deals where teams like IOWA State etc. will get big payouts for just in a conference with Texas and OSU.

If Texas and OSU don't join the B1G in the next media deal go around, they might go indy (at least Texas might) to get its own media deal. These kinds of moves might change the college landscape forever.

UCONN does not fit with the Big East or the AAC. Academically, UCONN is more a fit with B1G schools, ACC schools, or P12 schools. I never thought UCONN would stay in the AAC for long. Big East is just another stop until something better comes along.


Nothing is coming that will be better. You shot yourself in the foot and your leadership is delusional if you think otherwise.


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(06-25-2019 03:35 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 07:22 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 04:17 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Having MSG says it all. When institutions are in crisis they tend to look back on glory days and say in a delusional way, if we could only go back to how things used to be. So yes Uconn has Msg back, but here is the reality, the days of Bug East being a must see in the Garden are over. This move feels like it is being driven by those who lived through the heyday of the Big East and now believe it's going to be just like it was before. Uconn doesn't need the NBE it needs an intervention.

The Big East Tournament is the best-attended tournament in college basketball and functionally sold out the entire slate this past year without UConn, who's fan base will likely be the best-showing group once they're back due to sheer size and proximity. This isn't a nostalgia move, it's one fueled by the facts today.

(06-25-2019 06:10 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  Don't compare any independent to Notre Dame - They are the godfathers of college football

Yeah - that's the whole point. UConn's getting told that they're sure gonna be sorry when Notre Dame's forced to give up their independence, but there's no real indication that's happening anytime soon.

You are absolutely correct that the Big East tournament at MSG is one of the better conference tournaments out there due to a variety of factors, but it's also true that it is no longer a national event like it was for so long. It used to be THE tournament during Champ Week. It's not anymore. One of the many reasons to be annoyed at the demise of the original big east.

This is correct, the ACC is the big conference tournament in March. Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL and UVA all gather eyeballz on ESPN. The Big East tournament is 2nd fiddle and will still be behind the ACC and B1G in Hoops even adding UConn.
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(06-25-2019 05:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  This is correct, the ACC is the big conference tournament in March. Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL and UVA all gather eyeballz on ESPN. The Big East tournament is 2nd fiddle and will still be behind the ACC and B1G in Hoops even adding UConn.

Not if you're living in Connecticut. I can work a half day at work and still catch UConn at the Garden if they're on the night slate. Make a whole day of it if they're playing an afternoon game and still sleep in my own bed. Greensboro NC is a whole week's vacation in a place I don't want to burn a week's worth of vacation in.

The Big East Tournament is the best basketball tournament in the country for UConn to be in, bar none.
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(06-25-2019 06:14 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 05:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  This is correct, the ACC is the big conference tournament in March. Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL and UVA all gather eyeballz on ESPN. The Big East tournament is 2nd fiddle and will still be behind the ACC and B1G in Hoops even adding UConn.

Not if you're living in Connecticut. I can work a half day at work and still catch UConn at the Garden if they're on the night slate. Make a whole day of it if they're playing an afternoon game and still sleep in my own bed. Greensboro NC is a whole week's vacation in a place I don't want to burn a week's worth of vacation in.

The Big East Tournament is the best basketball tournament in the country for UConn to be in, bar none.

I think we are both right...I loved the old BE tourney.

However, being on FOX and FS1 makes it 2nd fiddle.
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(06-25-2019 06:21 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I think we are both right...I loved the old BE tourney.

However, being on FOX and FS1 makes it 2nd fiddle.

Ah, see, that's the disconnect - I'm more concerned with actually going to the tournament than I am with discussing network broadcast ratings with strangers online the week after the tournament. Because the BET isn't in Greensboro NC I can go every single year if I so choose, which is a way better feature than sitting at home and knowing lots of other people sitting at home are watching the same thing I'm watching.
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