(06-25-2019 12:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  UConn will not have trouble scheduling. They can schedule a former Yankee rival yearly, Liberty, UMass, get a series going with Army and Buffalo, and say to the rest: "hi, we've won a few nattys in men's and women's hoops, will you play our football team for a basketball series?"

I voted MAC, because it is probably their best realistic option, but independence is sustainable with that heavyweight basketball program (except they can't seem to beat UNC - )

* I believe UConn will start to dominate Big East hoops and we may see a title within the next five years. The fox has just been given clearance to enter the henhouse.

If the Big East wants to maintain the round-robin scheduling it's going to require an expansion of the conference schedule which will limit available OOC games in basketball, plus it's going to require UConn basketball to do something it's not accustomed to doing: playing on the road against other than top tier opponents.

(06-25-2019 01:54 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 01:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Why would ESPN give the MAC more money for UMass and UConn football?

I don't know if they would or they wouldn't.

But I do know when Temple and UMass were in the MAC, they agreed to send their basketball teams on the road to MAC schools. That had value. Plus, I think the presidents liked having institutions like Temple and UMass in the conference. That had value, too.

That was from at a time when the mid week TV package for the MAC was still developing and the MAC was a 3 bowl conference.

(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  UConn will not have trouble scheduling. They can schedule a former Yankee rival yearly, Liberty, UMass, get a series going with Army and Buffalo, and say to the rest: "hi, we've won a few nattys in men's and women's hoops, will you play our football team for a basketball series?"

I voted MAC, because it is probably their best realistic option, but independence is sustainable with that heavyweight basketball program (except they can't seem to beat UNC - )

* I believe UConn will start to dominate Big East hoops and we may see a title within the next five years. The fox has just been given clearance to enter the henhouse.

If the Big East wants to maintain the round-robin scheduling it's going to require an expansion of the conference schedule which will limit available OOC games in basketball, plus it's going to require UConn basketball to do something it's not accustomed to doing: playing on the road against other than top tier opponents.

Yeah, I’ve heard this floated a bunch of times and they really don’t have room for these deals.

20 BE games, Gavitt Games, Big 12 Alliance, 4 game exempt tourney. That’s 26 of 31 games. You have to think they’ll want at least a few body bag games to get home dates for the $$$. That leaves them almost no room for football to cut deals like this if they want to have any flexibility at all.

Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

(06-25-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

Home and home every year actually makes it feel like a conference. Couple that with the tournament that multiple fan bases all go to and simply being in a place that feels like a coherent grouping might be what I'm most excited about.

(06-25-2019 09:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

Home and home every year actually makes it feel like a conference. Couple that with the tournament that multiple fan bases all go to and simply being in a place that feels like a coherent grouping might be what I'm most excited about.

I don’t disagree. Maybe the football program doesn’t need hoops to leverage games. UMass uses it here and there, and UConn has a larger carrot, so to speak.

(06-25-2019 09:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

Home and home every year actually makes it feel like a conference. Couple that with the tournament that multiple fan bases all go to and simply being in a place that feels like a coherent grouping might be what I'm most excited about.

I don’t disagree. Maybe the football program doesn’t need hoops to leverage games. UMass uses it here and there, and UConn has a larger carrot, so to speak.

Oh, I'm not saying it'll never happen, and there are certain schools that you wouldn't mind playing in both football and basketball - Wake Forest for example - that may be a little more motivated if one or more basketball games were involved. Just think the round robin is important.

(06-25-2019 08:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Maybe UConn and UMass merge their football programs. UComannss

Hahaha

(06-25-2019 09:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

Home and home every year actually makes it feel like a conference. Couple that with the tournament that multiple fan bases all go to and simply being in a place that feels like a coherent grouping might be what I'm most excited about.

I don’t disagree. Maybe the football program doesn’t need hoops to leverage games. UMass uses it here and there, and UConn has a larger carrot, so to speak.

Do you see UNC playing a home and home with UConn for a basketball series?

(06-25-2019 09:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  20 BE games, Gavitt Games, Big 12 Alliance, 4 game exempt tourney. That’s 26 of 31 games. You have to think they’ll want at least a few body bag games to get home dates for the $$$. That leaves them almost no room for football to cut deals like this if they want to have any flexibility at all.

So long as UMass is still independent, some choice from UMass, Liberty, NMSU and BYU H/H deals can give a November / Late October home game, and the FCS buy game a second, so a pair of BBall/FB H/H deals would be one BBall away game annually to buy one November / late October home game annually. And if the opponents are chosen judiciously, some of those Home BBall dates would be reasonable substitutes for BBall body bag games.

But that's still one away BBall game per home FB game ... the Temple/UMass arrangement uses two away BBall games to buy four home FB games, which is a better ratio if there aren't so many OOC BBall games to go around.

Uconn should target Greg schiano if they have a losing record this season

(06-25-2019 10:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:40 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

Home and home every year actually makes it feel like a conference. Couple that with the tournament that multiple fan bases all go to and simply being in a place that feels like a coherent grouping might be what I'm most excited about.

I don’t disagree. Maybe the football program doesn’t need hoops to leverage games. UMass uses it here and there, and UConn has a larger carrot, so to speak.

Do you see UNC playing a home and home with UConn for a basketball series?

No, because UNC would be dealing from a position of power. UNCC, on the other hand, I could definitely see doing it. As I could many other G5 teams, or even the SEC (Georgia and I think Miss St. did the deal with UMass).

(06-25-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nobody said they have to have a round robin. Why play Creighton twice a year?

Yes, but in order to do that, every team will skip two opponents (in term s of the round robin). And while they may not care about not playing Creighton twice, for example, the two teams that miss on playing Villanova, Georgetown, and perhaps UConn now, may feel otherwise. So it's a legitimate argument.

(06-26-2019 09:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, because UNC would be dealing from a position of power. UNCC, on the other hand, I could definitely see doing it. As I could many other G5 teams, or even the SEC (Georgia and I think Miss St. did the deal with UMass).

If they have to offer up a basketball series to get a home and home with Charlotte, they are in far worse shape then either you or I think.

Like I said in another thread, it may be close to impossible for UConn to do anything but be independent....

If they are in a conference for football only, typically that conference will charge them basketball games. Temple I believe had 4-5 game requirement....

So- for UConn
20 conference games
4 games vs football conference
1 Gavitt Game
1 Big 12 challenge game
4 games for exempt tournament

takes them up to 30 games. The limit is 31. The bigger problem is of the 30 games, only 13-14 are home games. Very few buy type of games.

(06-25-2019 09:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  UConn will not have trouble scheduling. They can schedule a former Yankee rival yearly, Liberty, UMass, get a series going with Army and Buffalo, and say to the rest: "hi, we've won a few nattys in men's and women's hoops, will you play our football team for a basketball series?"

I voted MAC, because it is probably their best realistic option, but independence is sustainable with that heavyweight basketball program (except they can't seem to beat UNC - )

* I believe UConn will start to dominate Big East hoops and we may see a title within the next five years. The fox has just been given clearance to enter the henhouse.

If the Big East wants to maintain the round-robin scheduling it's going to require an expansion of the conference schedule which will limit available OOC games in basketball, plus it's going to require UConn basketball to do something it's not accustomed to doing: playing on the road against other than top tier opponents.

Yeah, I’ve heard this floated a bunch of times and they really don’t have room for these deals.

20 BE games, Gavitt Games, Big 12 Alliance, 4 game exempt tourney. That’s 26 of 31 games. You have to think they’ll want at least a few body bag games to get home dates for the $$$. That leaves them almost no room for football to cut deals like this if they want to have any flexibility at all.

Could just be body bag games. H&H with a MAC school for football plus one basketball game at UConn. Also could do it with women's basketball too.

Not something they can or would do for all 12 of their football games, but could sweeten the pot a little here and there.

(06-26-2019 12:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Like I said in another thread, it may be close to impossible for UConn to do anything but be independent....

If they are in a conference for football only, typically that conference will charge them basketball games. Temple I believe had 4-5 game requirement....

So- for UConn
20 conference games
4 games vs football conference
1 Gavitt Game
1 Big 12 challenge game
4 games for exempt tournament

takes them up to 30 games. The limit is 31. The bigger problem is of the 30 games, only 13-14 are home games. Very few buy type of games.

With a 20 game Conference schedule, and conference OOC commitments (assume one of the two is home, the other on the road) gives you 11 home and 11 road.

Best any team could do is 5 additional home games. 14 home games vs 16 - is that a great difference?

(06-25-2019 09:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  20 BE games, Gavitt Games, Big 12 Alliance, 4 game exempt tourney. That’s 26 of 31 games. You have to think they’ll want at least a few body bag games to get home dates for the $$$. That leaves them almost no room for football to cut deals like this if they want to have any flexibility at all.

Well if it's versus CUSA or MAC teams, most of them more or less ARE bodybag games.

Their best chance though, is it is unclikley the AAC can stay at 11, since they want the CCG. So either they let UConn stay, or whomever they pick up, UConn backfills.

They just need to hope they don't pick up an Independent team, which would screw UConn. then again, if they did, at least UConn and the independent team could swap games, and it could help their schedule for the first few years anyway...

(06-26-2019 03:53 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  20 BE games, Gavitt Games, Big 12 Alliance, 4 game exempt tourney. That’s 26 of 31 games. You have to think they’ll want at least a few body bag games to get home dates for the $$$. That leaves them almost no room for football to cut deals like this if they want to have any flexibility at all.

Well if it's versus CUSA or MAC teams, most of them more or less ARE bodybag games.

Their best chance though, is it is unclikley the AAC can stay at 11, since they want the CCG. So either they let UConn stay, or whomever they pick up, UConn backfills.

They just need to hope they don't pick up an Independent team, which would screw UConn. then again, if they did, at least UConn and the independent team could swap games, and it could help their schedule for the first few years anyway...

The bodybag games need to be home games every year. UConn would have to negotiate H&Hs for basketball to get a football home game.

The AAC could stay at 11 and still get the CCG, they would just have to deal with the awkwardness of unbalanced divisions and some scheduling headache. The only requirement is playing round robin within divisions, not that they have to be equal from what I understand. It's not ideal, but I wouldn't put it past the conference to do to avoid having UConn in the fold. Their football value is nil.

They could alternatively get a waiver, which has precedent. But they still have the option of above either way.

(06-26-2019 04:03 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 03:53 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Well if it's versus CUSA or MAC teams, most of them more or less ARE bodybag games.

The bodybag games need to be home games every year. UConn would have to negotiate H&Hs for basketball to get a football home game.

That was the point of the Temple/UMass deal ... 4 from each was 4 home and 4 away from the pair which was a home and a away with one of the pair in any three year cycle.

But for the FB-affiliate, it's 2 BBall away games to buy 4 FB home games, instead of 2BBall away games to buy 2 FB home games.

Scaling down the BBall game requirement would be a deal to have the MAC tournament and regular season champion (or runner up in the event of the double) hosted at UConn for a four game exhibition against UConn and an invitee, so UConn hosts each MAC schools and the invitee plays the warm up game against the other. In return, the MAC gives UConn a scheduling deal, they can schedule series with MAC schools and delegate one home and one away game against MAC schools that the MAC will work into it's conference schedule in late October. There are enough indies that they can get an FBS indy at home in November and schedule an FBS-counting FCS buy game in November, and in September and early October they can pick up games from schools in conferences that are not heavily into their conference schedule yet.

Note, this is like the Army scheduling deal which used to be in place ... but of course, that was Army, so getting as many MAC contracts as they wanted in a given year was never the issue, only getting them at a time that they wanted to play them. (Though, actually, there are some MAC schools where UConn might be able to sweeten the FB deal with a WBB H/H series.)