(07-06-2019 08:29 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 12:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 09:10 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 02:22 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Big win for UConn with the Ollie announcement today. The $10 million they would have paid Ollie can now go directly to the American and secure their start date on July 1, 2020.

yeah, but the exit thing is 10 million and 27 months. It'll cost more than that to get it done.

I understand the logic but I think you're wrong. Aresco is a total moron that has shot himself in the foot with some of his comments recently. We've stated publicly we would like to stay in the conference for football. He has said publicly there's no chance of us staying for football only. Lol. So are we leaving or being kicked out? We have no firm exit or entrance date so we can easily argue we're being kicked out and void all or part of that exit fee.

He also allowed Navy to cut a deal with CBS sports, but didn't allow our women's basketball team to do the same. There's an argument he had a fiduciary duty to do so, further enhancing our argument to void all or part of the exit fee should we take this to court.

What do I think is most likely? We agree to pay the full 10m exit fee while being allowed to keep football in the conference for 2020, perhaps even 2021, buying us time to fill out our schedule. If they don't agree to some sort of compromise, we'll see them in court. It's CT, our politicians love to sue people to further their political careers lol.

Navy football was agreed on as a condition of them joining the conference... UConn is wanting to change their arrangement. They aren't getting kicked out of the conference, they just aren't being allowed to remain in the league as a result of UConn changing their terms. HUGE difference.

As sco has said, we have never set a firm exit date and very well could try to honor the 27 months. Aresco publicly saying there's no chance we're around next year gives us huge leverage.

Also, the Navy games were expected to be a part of our inventory for the second contract. They weren't for the first. Aresco and the league allowed them to cut a side deal because of their relationship with CBS Sports and so they could control their start times. It's exactly like the UConn women with the SNY deal, except we're not being allowed the same privilege. The revenue from the Navy deal I believe is being split by the conference, and they should've at least given us a chance for a similar arrangement considering the value of our women's basketball program.

Haven't read anything that Aresco stated UConn will be booted next year. He did say that UConn will be held to the 27 month notice clause and that $10 million is the exit fee starting point for UConn's exit. That fee goes up if THEY LEAVE earlier. I only hear the UConn people saying they are leaving earlier and not the UConn administration. To my knowledge they have not given a firm exit date at this point and the NBE has given them until July 1, 2022 to join in case UConn honors the 27 month exit notice. The ball is actually in UConn's court for the exit date and fee, but when they leave everything goes including FB. I suspect (my guess) FWIW is that UConn stays for 2 academic years instead one to give the AD a chance to schedule FB as an independent starting with the 2021 FB season avoid the headaches of 2020 as an independent and to keep the exit fee as close to $10 million as possible.

(07-06-2019 10:58 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 08:29 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 12:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 09:10 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah, but the exit thing is 10 million and 27 months. It'll cost more than that to get it done.

I understand the logic but I think you're wrong. Aresco is a total moron that has shot himself in the foot with some of his comments recently. We've stated publicly we would like to stay in the conference for football. He has said publicly there's no chance of us staying for football only. Lol. So are we leaving or being kicked out? We have no firm exit or entrance date so we can easily argue we're being kicked out and void all or part of that exit fee.

He also allowed Navy to cut a deal with CBS sports, but didn't allow our women's basketball team to do the same. There's an argument he had a fiduciary duty to do so, further enhancing our argument to void all or part of the exit fee should we take this to court.

What do I think is most likely? We agree to pay the full 10m exit fee while being allowed to keep football in the conference for 2020, perhaps even 2021, buying us time to fill out our schedule. If they don't agree to some sort of compromise, we'll see them in court. It's CT, our politicians love to sue people to further their political careers lol.

Navy football was agreed on as a condition of them joining the conference... UConn is wanting to change their arrangement. They aren't getting kicked out of the conference, they just aren't being allowed to remain in the league as a result of UConn changing their terms. HUGE difference.

As sco has said, we have never set a firm exit date and very well could try to honor the 27 months. Aresco publicly saying there's no chance we're around next year gives us huge leverage.

Also, the Navy games were expected to be a part of our inventory for the second contract. They weren't for the first. Aresco and the league allowed them to cut a side deal because of their relationship with CBS Sports and so they could control their start times. It's exactly like the UConn women with the SNY deal, except we're not being allowed the same privilege. The revenue from the Navy deal I believe is being split by the conference, and they should've at least given us a chance for a similar arrangement considering the value of our women's basketball program.

Haven't read anything that Aresco stated UConn will be booted next year. He did say that UConn will be held to the 27 month notice clause and that $10 million is the exit fee starting point for UConn's exit. That fee goes up if THEY LEAVE earlier. I only hear the UConn people saying they are leaving earlier and not the UConn administration. To my knowledge they have not given a firm exit date at this point and the NBE has given them until July 1, 2022 to join in case UConn honors the 27 month exit notice. The ball is actually in UConn's court for the exit date and fee, but when they leave everything goes including FB. I suspect (my guess) FWIW is that UConn stays for 2 academic years instead one to give the AD a chance to schedule FB as an independent starting with the 2021 FB season avoid the headaches of 2020 as an independent and to keep the exit fee as close to $10 million as possible.

CBS Sports: Where do you think UConn football ends up now?

Aresco: "I can't say. The one thing I can tell you, they won't be playing in our conference [after 2019]."

That quote is from an article on June 28, meaning it was after we had officially announced our intent to leave as well as the terms of our agreement with the Big East were set in place. Unless the article is just assuming we are leaving after 2019, hence the parentheses. Thought I saw him say no football after 2019 somewhere but I don't have time to check right now. I'll keep looking later and see if I can find it, if I do I'll post it here.

Also, just for the record, we have until 2023 to leave.

Link to the article quoted: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ith-uconn/

(07-06-2019 12:24 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 10:58 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 08:29 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 12:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 09:10 AM)Nameless Wrote:  I understand the logic but I think you're wrong. Aresco is a total moron that has shot himself in the foot with some of his comments recently. We've stated publicly we would like to stay in the conference for football. He has said publicly there's no chance of us staying for football only. Lol. So are we leaving or being kicked out? We have no firm exit or entrance date so we can easily argue we're being kicked out and void all or part of that exit fee.

He also allowed Navy to cut a deal with CBS sports, but didn't allow our women's basketball team to do the same. There's an argument he had a fiduciary duty to do so, further enhancing our argument to void all or part of the exit fee should we take this to court.

What do I think is most likely? We agree to pay the full 10m exit fee while being allowed to keep football in the conference for 2020, perhaps even 2021, buying us time to fill out our schedule. If they don't agree to some sort of compromise, we'll see them in court. It's CT, our politicians love to sue people to further their political careers lol.

Navy football was agreed on as a condition of them joining the conference... UConn is wanting to change their arrangement. They aren't getting kicked out of the conference, they just aren't being allowed to remain in the league as a result of UConn changing their terms. HUGE difference.

As sco has said, we have never set a firm exit date and very well could try to honor the 27 months. Aresco publicly saying there's no chance we're around next year gives us huge leverage.

Also, the Navy games were expected to be a part of our inventory for the second contract. They weren't for the first. Aresco and the league allowed them to cut a side deal because of their relationship with CBS Sports and so they could control their start times. It's exactly like the UConn women with the SNY deal, except we're not being allowed the same privilege. The revenue from the Navy deal I believe is being split by the conference, and they should've at least given us a chance for a similar arrangement considering the value of our women's basketball program.

Haven't read anything that Aresco stated UConn will be booted next year. He did say that UConn will be held to the 27 month notice clause and that $10 million is the exit fee starting point for UConn's exit. That fee goes up if THEY LEAVE earlier. I only hear the UConn people saying they are leaving earlier and not the UConn administration. To my knowledge they have not given a firm exit date at this point and the NBE has given them until July 1, 2022 to join in case UConn honors the 27 month exit notice. The ball is actually in UConn's court for the exit date and fee, but when they leave everything goes including FB. I suspect (my guess) FWIW is that UConn stays for 2 academic years instead one to give the AD a chance to schedule FB as an independent starting with the 2021 FB season avoid the headaches of 2020 as an independent and to keep the exit fee as close to $10 million as possible.

CBS Sports: Where do you think UConn football ends up now?

Aresco: "I can't say. The one thing I can tell you, they won't be playing in our conference [after 2019]."

That quote is from an article on June 28, meaning it was after we had officially announced our intent to leave as well as the terms of our agreement with the Big East were set in place. Unless the article is just assuming we are leaving after 2019, hence the parentheses. Thought I saw him say no football after 2019 somewhere but I don't have time to check right now. I'll keep looking later and see if I can find it, if I do I'll post it here.

Also, just for the record, we have until 2023 to leave.

Link to the article quoted: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ith-uconn/

Same article, Aresco also says "We'll strictly abide by the bylaws." By the bylaws, UConn is in the AAC until July 1, 2022 if I have the 27-month math correct. (You can only change leagues on July 1). I think the best way to reconcile the statements is, the AAC is open to negotiation on UConn's exit timing, but there will not be a year where UConn plays basketball in the Big East and football in the AAC.

The AAC will not act to kick UConn football OUT, but they also won't make any special arrangements to keep them IN to help UConn's transition.

Never stopped hating you guys. Welcome back.

Glad to have the Huskies back in the Big East.


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I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

We aren’t UCONN

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

(07-14-2019 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

People saw the football schools eventually going their own way back in the nineties, which is why UConn upgraded their football program in the first place. When that turned out to be fool's gold, UConn at least had the Big East still in place to make their long-term home. SMU's locked out of the pseudo-SWC the southern wing of the Big 12 houses.

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I am glad to be a part of the Big East again. I think that I just got banned on the AAC board for logically pointing out how inferior they are at basketball and why we had to leave. What a bunch of snowflakes. I hope that they enjoy their soon to be two bid league.

4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five hundred devoted souls at the Amway Center.

FIFY.

(07-14-2019 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  4-10


Your record versus SMU

...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

One school didn't cause the breakup up the Big East, it was a combination of additions and subtractions. Ultimately, it was the combination of losses in Louisville, Notre Dame and Rutgers, which brought in Tulane and ECU as replacements, as the final nail in the coffin of the hybrid. Even though they were added after the C7 departed, Tulsa was widely rumored to be the next "back-fill" candidate if/when another school departed. The NE footprint and lack of basketball strength ultimately pushed the C7 to leave and reorganize the Big East as a non-football league.

(07-14-2019 10:56 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  ...and yet UConn has options and SMU doesn't.

What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

People saw the football schools eventually going their own way back in the nineties, which is why UConn upgraded their football program in the first place. When that turned out to be fool's gold, UConn at least had the Big East still in place to make their long-term home. SMU's locked out of the pseudo-SWC the southern wing of the Big 12 houses.

I cannot think of any other G5 program that had an escape hatch in the way that UConn has had since 2013. They essentially were playing with house money, between that and the breakup credits they were earning (which supplanted their television revenues as income that was identical to their's before 2013.

(07-15-2019 08:32 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:56 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:28 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  What are your options?

A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

People saw the football schools eventually going their own way back in the nineties, which is why UConn upgraded their football program in the first place. When that turned out to be fool's gold, UConn at least had the Big East still in place to make their long-term home. SMU's locked out of the pseudo-SWC the southern wing of the Big 12 houses.

I cannot think of any other G5 program that had an escape hatch in the way that UConn has had since 2013. They essentially were playing with house money, between that and the breakup credits they were earning (which supplanted their television revenues as income that was identical to their's before 2013.

the question though is if they do what they've done now in 2013, there is no AAC war chest, as the old conference would have dissolved. They would have kept their basketball tourney money, and the basketball schools would have probably gotten a better TV deal in the first place....

(07-15-2019 08:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:32 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:56 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:36 PM)Bogg Wrote:  A sold out crowd at MSG instead of five thousand devoted souls at the Amway Center.

I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

People saw the football schools eventually going their own way back in the nineties, which is why UConn upgraded their football program in the first place. When that turned out to be fool's gold, UConn at least had the Big East still in place to make their long-term home. SMU's locked out of the pseudo-SWC the southern wing of the Big 12 houses.

I cannot think of any other G5 program that had an escape hatch in the way that UConn has had since 2013. They essentially were playing with house money, between that and the breakup credits they were earning (which supplanted their television revenues as income that was identical to their's before 2013.

the question though is if they do what they've done now in 2013, there is no AAC war chest, as the old conference would have dissolved. They would have kept their basketball tourney money, and the basketball schools would have probably gotten a better TV deal in the first place....

UConn couldn't do that though, and here's why:

UConn was - at that point - the "on-deck" program for a P5 invite. Louisville had just been grabbed as a replacement for Maryland, and it was widely reported that it was down to UConn and Louisville for this spot. With the amount of movement that college athletics had seen in the prior 24 months (Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers, Louisville) it would have been incredibly short-sighted to pull out of a football conference then. However, since then, two major developments have occurred: 1) the Big 12 publicly announced that there are no candidates that were worthy of expansion (i.e. no schools that would increase the value of the TV deal) and 2) the AAC TV contract was resigned. #2 is noteworthy because of its length and, more notably, to the perceived pitfalls the deal had for UConn.

The P5 appear to be very stable headed into their next TV deals. Unless Texas/Oklahoma decide to move to the B1G/SEC, we might be looking at the same P5 until the 2030's, which obviously was another long-term consideration for UConn as well.

UConn fans have to be happy to not have to play Tulsa/ECU/Tulane/USF anymore.

As much as I despise them I at least respect the program which can't be said for a lot of the programs in the aAAAC

(07-15-2019 10:22 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:32 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:56 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I get it, my school caused the break up up the SWC and yours caused the Big East departures.

People saw the football schools eventually going their own way back in the nineties, which is why UConn upgraded their football program in the first place. When that turned out to be fool's gold, UConn at least had the Big East still in place to make their long-term home. SMU's locked out of the pseudo-SWC the southern wing of the Big 12 houses.

I cannot think of any other G5 program that had an escape hatch in the way that UConn has had since 2013. They essentially were playing with house money, between that and the breakup credits they were earning (which supplanted their television revenues as income that was identical to their's before 2013.

the question though is if they do what they've done now in 2013, there is no AAC war chest, as the old conference would have dissolved. They would have kept their basketball tourney money, and the basketball schools would have probably gotten a better TV deal in the first place....

UConn couldn't do that though, and here's why:

UConn was - at that point - the "on-deck" program for a P5 invite. Louisville had just been grabbed as a replacement for Maryland, and it was widely reported that it was down to UConn and Louisville for this spot. With the amount of movement that college athletics had seen in the prior 24 months (Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado, Missouri, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers, Louisville) it would have been incredibly short-sighted to pull out of a football conference then. However, since then, two major developments have occurred: 1) the Big 12 publicly announced that there are no candidates that were worthy of expansion (i.e. no schools that would increase the value of the TV deal) and 2) the AAC TV contract was resigned. #2 is noteworthy because of its length and, more notably, to the perceived pitfalls the deal had for UConn.

The P5 appear to be very stable headed into their next TV deals. Unless Texas/Oklahoma decide to move to the B1G/SEC, we might be looking at the same P5 until the 2030's, which obviously was another long-term consideration for UConn as well.

yeah, good point.

Of course if that's the case, the AAC will be able to maintain where they are- clearly the best of the rest conference in both football and basketball. Might get to see just how good a conference like that can be. Already seeing not only teams improving like UCF, USF, etc., but also for teams like ECU and Tulane, the ability to poach pretty good coaches- ECU getting the guy from FGCU back, and Tulane getting the guy from Georgia St.