(01-18-2019 08:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cohen has no credibility...period.

You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.

Unless your name is Clinton.

But, aside from that qualification, I agree.

I knew I would get a whattabout........ I knew it

Are you familiar with the term "precedent"?

(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cohen has no credibility...period.

Neither does Buzzfeed.

Another anonymous source telling an anonymous blog. WaPo quotes them so they can just say Buzzfeed said it, we didn't.

Numerous e-mails, texts and documents? Testimony from numerous people in Trump's organization? Not credible.

(01-18-2019 08:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cohen has no credibility...period.

Neither does Buzzfeed.

Another anonymous source telling an anonymous blog. WaPo quotes them so they can just say Buzzfeed said it, we didn't.

Numerous e-mails, texts and documents? Testimony from numerous people in Trump's organization? Not credible.

Neither does the Pulitzer......

(01-18-2019 08:16 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 08:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cohen has no credibility...period.

You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.

Unless your name is Clinton.

But, aside from that qualification, I agree.

I knew I would get a whattabout........ I knew it

Are you familiar with the term "precedent"?

So in the unlikely event there is any beef here:
Bill Clinton lied while in office about an affair while in office in the Oval Office.

Donald Trump may have encouraged someone else to lie while in office about an affair before he was in office.

So all the libs: What should have been the punishment for Bill Clinton?
We know that the Democratic Congressmen and US Senate (and the US voters) said it wasn't a big deal as far as the presidency.
So until you answer what you think Clinton's punishment should have been, you've got less credibility than BuzzFeed.

Oh the irony in this thread...

Let me guess, is the MSM reporting this as fact? If not, are they all giddy and via body language and/or tone are insinuating that it is fact? Just curious.

(01-18-2019 08:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Let me guess, is the MSM reporting this as fact? If not, are they all giddy and via body language and/or tone are insinuating that it is fact? Just curious.

You have to ask?

(01-18-2019 08:01 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:58 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What should be the punishment if it is proven that Trump directed Cohen to lie. Not just Cohen’s account. Hard evidence.

He should be forced to read 3 years of your posts on this board.

(01-18-2019 08:28 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 08:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Let me guess, is the MSM reporting this as fact? If not, are they all giddy and via body language and/or tone are insinuating that it is fact? Just curious.

You have to ask?

Not really. I simply do not trust CNN, etc any longer given past history. I guess it'll be entertaining watching all the minions swallow this hook line and sinker and be made to think they FINALLY got Trump. They simply go on emotiong and simply do not care about whether any actual facts actually support the accusation. Then the truth will come out via other sources and the minions will simply forget and move on to something else. Standard operating procedure over the last two years.

(01-18-2019 08:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cohen has no credibility...period.

You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.

Unless your name is Clinton.
But, aside from that qualification, I agree.

I knew I would get a whattabout........ I knew it

Despite your attempted "whattabout" putdown, that is a legitimate concern. Why should the bar be set one place for Hillary and another for Trump?

And yes, obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things. If you can prove them. And a leak alleging that Cohen said so is hardly proof, particularly considering Cohen's background. I'm pretty sure he will squeal anything that e thinks would save his ass. There will ave to be corroboration.

And I guess the other questions I have are WTF difference does the substance of this matter make, and why would Trump tell him to lie about something that is insignificant?

(01-18-2019 08:04 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:26 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...ae5aade6a4

Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

Quote:The Washington Post
Democracy Dies in Darkness

Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

Buzzfeed News reported on Thursday that Michael Cohen has told prosecutors that President Trump directed him to lie to Congress.
By Tim Elfrink January 18 at 12:12 AM
Democratic leaders reacted with fury and demanded an investigation late Thursday following a new report that President Trump personally directed his former attorney, Michael Cohen, to lie to Congress about the president’s push for a lucrative condo project in Moscow in the lead-up to the 2016 election.

The Thursday night report from BuzzFeed News cites two unnamed federal law enforcement officials who say Cohen acknowledged in interviews with the office of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III that the president directed him to deceive Congress about key facts linking Trump to the proposed deal in Russia. Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying under oath about those details.

Democrats said that if the report is accurate, Trump must quickly be held to account for his role in the perjury, with some raising the specter of impeachment.

Immediate thought is Cohen is a liar so big deal right?

Quote:But BuzzFeed says that Mueller’s office has more evidence than just Cohen’s testimony that Trump directed him to lie to Congress. Per the report, Cohen’s testimony is backed up by “interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”

Not good for DJT. AND before yall say this isnt a big deal... the nominee for AG Barr said under oath that THIS VERY ACTION constitutes obstruction of justice and lying to Co gress, which is a felony.

"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr



And Before anyone complains about the provenance of Buzzfeed reporting...

Anthony Cormier is an investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York. While working for the Tampa Bay Times, Cormier won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.

Jason Leopold is a senior investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles. He is a 2018 Pulitzer finalist for international reporting

How is this donald trumps problem? Cohen is an attorney. If he lied that is on him. If he did "order" him.

"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr

(01-18-2019 08:52 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 08:04 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 12:26 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...ae5aade6a4
Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

Quote:The Washington Post
Democracy Dies in Darkness
Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress
Buzzfeed News reported on Thursday that Michael Cohen has told prosecutors that President Trump directed him to lie to Congress.
By Tim Elfrink January 18 at 12:12 AM
Democratic leaders reacted with fury and demanded an investigation late Thursday following a new report that President Trump personally directed his former attorney, Michael Cohen, to lie to Congress about the president’s push for a lucrative condo project in Moscow in the lead-up to the 2016 election.
The Thursday night report from BuzzFeed News cites two unnamed federal law enforcement officials who say Cohen acknowledged in interviews with the office of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III that the president directed him to deceive Congress about key facts linking Trump to the proposed deal in Russia. Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying under oath about those details.
Democrats said that if the report is accurate, Trump must quickly be held to account for his role in the perjury, with some raising the specter of impeachment.

Immediate thought is Cohen is a liar so big deal right?

Quote:But BuzzFeed says that Mueller’s office has more evidence than just Cohen’s testimony that Trump directed him to lie to Congress. Per the report, Cohen’s testimony is backed up by “interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”

Not good for DJT. AND before yall say this isnt a big deal... the nominee for AG Barr said under oath that THIS VERY ACTION constitutes obstruction of justice and lying to Co gress, which is a felony.
"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr
And Before anyone complains about the provenance of Buzzfeed reporting...
Anthony Cormier is an investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York. While working for the Tampa Bay Times, Cormier won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.
Jason Leopold is a senior investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles. He is a 2018 Pulitzer finalist for international reporting

How is this donald trumps problem? Cohen is an attorney. If he lied that is on him. If he did "order" him.

"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr

All I ask is that you apply the same rule with equal vigor to everyone.

Quote:Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress (Felony)

After reading through the article, the title should read: Michael Cohen claims Trump ordered him to lie to Congress.

Even the this President is innocent until proven guilty.

And Michael Cohen has Bill and Hillary's level of honesty.

(01-18-2019 09:19 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress (Felony)

After reading through the article, the title should read: Michael Cohen claims Trump ordered him to lie to Congress.

Even the this President is innocent until proven guilty.

But BuzzFeed says that Mueller’s office has more evidence than just Cohen’s testimony that Trump directed him to lie to Congress. Per the report, Cohen’s testimony is backed up by “interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”



Yes. Innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't mean we should stick our thumbs up our asses and do nothing while we wait.

(01-18-2019 09:19 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress (Felony)

After reading through the article, the title should read: Michael Cohen claims Trump ordered him to lie to Congress.

Even the this President is innocent until proven guilty.

We all know the MSM accept claims as fact and runs with it. The MSM knows it's adherents will not think for themselves and simply believe what it tells them. It's a practice the MSM has perfected since 2016. It works for them so why would they ever change?

(01-18-2019 09:29 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Yes. Innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't mean we should stick our thumbs up our asses and do nothing while we wait.

Are you suggesting some sort of mob or vigilante justice based on a claim by a known discredited source?

That's a bold move.

Lets point this out. Nixon was caught on tape for his actions. Cohen taped his calls with Trump. We already know what call that Trump paid the adult entertainment stars. If Cohen got Trump on tape in phone calls asking Cohen to do these things? It is not he said he said. There would be proof that Trump committed a crime.

(01-18-2019 09:34 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 09:29 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Yes. Innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't mean we should stick our thumbs up our asses and do nothing while we wait.

Are you suggesting some sort of mob or vigilante justice based on a claim by a known discredited source?

That's a bold move.

And its not even about the porn star. Its about the failed tower project in Moscow. Gets even more and more ridiculous. As Guiliani said, "if you believe Michael Cohen, I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge..."

(01-18-2019 08:00 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am generally interested in this scenario. For the President Trump supporters. What would it take for you personally to jump off the wagon.

Actual evidence he committed a felony.

At that point it becomes "Welcome President Pence".


But it has to be actual evidence and none of your strings between pictures on a corkboard stuff.