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RE: Tulsi Gabbard says she will run for president in 2020
(01-17-2019 07:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-17-2019 07:49 PM)bullet Wrote: (01-17-2019 01:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-17-2019 01:42 PM)q5sys Wrote: (01-17-2019 12:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: 2020 isn't about persuading voters to change their minds. Its about getting your people to the polls. Trump's base support has thankfully removed that false prize from Dem strategic thinking. No use tilting at windmills or letting people that aren't even your voters choose your nominees. If you support Trump now, you're not reachable in 2020.
And this is terrifying for anyone outside of the bubble. You're just ignoring people because they don't agree with you. These are people in your own party that you're willingly abandoning because they don't follow the approved group think.
Getting your people to the polls... Yea, how about all the Dems that are not in favor of the far lefts crazy socialist agenda? You just want to put up a Voter that'll appeal to the extreme side of the party.
I guess those democrats don't matter to you. You only want the 'correct' kind of Democrats voting.
You're literally ignoring half your party base and considering them not worthy of focusing on because they don't think the same way you do.
And amazingly, not only do you not see that as a bad thing... but you actually consider this a good thing.
(01-17-2019 12:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: And on the other side, people are so fed up with Trump that they really don't care who the alternative is.
If you'd get out of your echo chamber and talk to real people that live outside the liberal bubble... I think you'd quickly realize that's not the case.
I was in Starbucks the other day, and the the Barista and a customer were talking about how Trump isn't as bad as they thought he'd be, and they're generally not angry at how things have been going. That was in a Starbucks in Baltimore of all places. Baltimore, the place that has only had 1 Repub governor since the late 40s, and only 4 terms in the last century were not held the Dems.
The general person is not as angry with Trump as you have been led to believe.
(01-17-2019 01:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: As defined by Trump voters, there is no such thing as a 'moderate Democrat'. But the good news is that Democrats are winning in a lot of places thought to be 'off limits' to people called liberals.
I didn't vote for Trump. I define moderate Dems based on what the Democratic party has stood for. Those Dems still exist... it's the Party elite and the socialists that have decided that those Dems dont count, and shouldn't be considered Democrats anymore.
Yet another Purity Test that divides people.
Yea, I live in a liberal bubble in TEXAS and grew up in ALABAMA.
Did you vote for Hillary? Did you vote for a Democrat for Governor or the House or Senate in 2018? If not, well, I question if you're a Democrat.
We will see how mad people are at Trump. I think for at least 53% of them...the answer is....mad as you can possibly be.
Yes, Trump will win 40% of the white male vote in Maryland. So what?
As far as just playing to our base, especially when its enough to win.....well turnabout is fair play. No, we're not playing the election on the side of the table that the GOP wants us to play it. They just want to define the election on issues that favor them. No thank you.
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Its just data talking. Look, Trump has doubled down on one demographic. Fine, we will concede that some of them are simply unreachable and work on crafting a campaign that will excite the people who WILL vote for us to show up.
If you aren't at the table, you're on the menu. Trump taught us that, and taught us that you can win doing it. If you show yourself to be unreachable, there little to be gained by catering to your whims, especially if those whims are not productive to those that are reachable. No, the Dems aren't going to nominate some Jill Stein type Kamikaze candidate that offends the overwhelming majority of actual Dems and Independents who overwhelmingly oppose her policies on foreign policy, the economy, and yes, on LGBT rights. Of course, the Dems will try to be a bit more subtle than Trump, if for no other reason than to avoid motivating the right wing to show up, but no, you're not here for the entree, so no you can't just show up and eat the dessert.
You and a good portion of the Democrats are doubling down on the extreme left of your party, so about 15% of the voters, ignoring the other half of Democrats and the 40+% of independents.
You're so caught in your bubble, you don't even understand there are more Independents than Republicans or Democrats.
This should you scare the f*ck out of you. I"m considered a CENTER-RIGHT Democrat. Not even close to the left of the party.
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Most independents lean heavily towards one party or another. True independent swing voters are quite rare indeed. Where you get surprising results is when the electorate moves as part of a larger shift. Such as non-degreed white working class voters moving en masse to Trump in 2016 and suburbanites moving the to the Democrats in 2018
For 2020, the only issue the American people will be asking themselves is this....'do you want 4 more years of Trump?'
Among the far left they consider you center-right.
Swing voters aren't that rare. You just don't know them. I have a sister who has, among others, voted for McGovern, Reagan, Perot, Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Not sure who she voted for last time, but probably Hillary.
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