(01-06-2019 02:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 02:12 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:57 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 10:44 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Except it's not.

Scheduling 2-4 G5 games is a pillar of this system.

Which is why we have some leverage. We are already defecto FCS. I say we call their bluff, make a case for equality and if they don't like it, let them leave.

A pillar of THIS system, yes. What you have to understand is that the only reason P5's currently play 3 games/year against G5's is to help them qualify for bowls in a system as it's currently structured, where 7-5 and 6-6 G5 teams playing FAR easier schedules get in, and 5-7 P5's who face brutal schedules miss out. If the P5's were their own division, and they competed only against P5's for the playoff or bowl births (for those who don't qualify for playoffs), the need to artificially inflate their records against the likes of us would be gone, because they wouldn't be competing for wins against teams like us who play much weaker schedules anymore. So I think you're misinterpreting the effect that the restructuring of a P5/G5 break would entail.

And like I said in a different post, if they do limit themselves to only 1 or 2 games/year against us, it would also lead to more parity (which isn't a bad thing), and dare I say it, it might even help college football a bit with its attendance problems.

One reason it would lead to better attended games is because you'd have more conference games. In the SEC for example, those games against punching bags would be replaced by more cross-divisional games, and more games between P5 conferences. You'd better believe there will be more fans showing up for cross-conference games between Clemson and Oklahoma State or Michigan and Arizona State than you will for Baylor hosting UTSA, or Georgia hosting MTSU. There would be more television viewership of such games also.

Only 3 P5's scheduled 4 games against sub-P5's this year btw; Arkansas, South Carolina, and Virginia Tech. Most scheduled 2 or 3 games, and 7 teams scheduled only one. Interestingly enough, the SEC and ACC like to schedule games against sub-P5 more than the others do.

What you have to understand is saying the same thing over and over to people that don't want to hear it is pointless. Most everyone here are fans of G5 programs that will go down swinging before ever accepting your position as valid, even if it is. Save yourself a lot of typing and head on over to a P5 board were they'll praise you for acknowledging how super awesome they are for being P5 fans and not wasting time as G5 fans.

Maybe I'm giving some more credit than they're due because I'm assuming more would be objective about all this and not look at it through their G5 lenses. I don't care to head over to any P5 board though because I'm a UTSA Roadrunner through and through, and am G5 all the way. I never root for the P5 against us, but I feel that some here just aren't being realistic about this, and maybe it's because, as you say, they just don't wanna hear it.

we already have had that split of division 1
its called FCS (formally 1AA) then we have Div 2 and 3 and then NAIA

All of the divisions have a true playoff except FBS

I would have no interest in a split. You might as well go non scholarship into the Pioneer League and increase the basketball budget.

Nobody pays any attention to any divisions below FBS.

Nick Saban was quoted he didn't want any expansion because it would hurt the bowls.

Total BS, Just make the 4 major bowls the first round of the playoffs.
4 games on New Years Day (8 teams)
2 more Major Bowls the next week
Then your National Championship game.

Simple fix but they would rather keep it the Alabama Invitational Tourney

That goofball committee does not even have one member of their dozen from a G5 school

(01-06-2019 06:40 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  we already have had that split of division 1
its called FCS (formally 1AA) then we have Div 2 and 3 and then NAIA

All of the divisions have a true playoff except FBS

I would have no interest in a split. You might as well go non scholarship into the Pioneer League and increase the basketball budget.

Nobody pays any attention to any divisions below P-5.

Nick Saban was quoted he didn't want any expansion because it would hurt the bowls.

Total BS, Just make the 4 major bowls the first round of the playoffs.
4 games on New Years Day (8 teams)
2 more Major Bowls the next week
Then your National Championship game.

Simple fix but they would rather keep it the Alabama Invitational Tourney

That goofball committee does not even have one member of their dozen from a G5 school

FIFY

(01-06-2019 11:54 AM)monarx Wrote:  As long as they're blocking us out of a chance (even a minuscule one) to even be in the actual playoff I think Id just as soon have them split. Give our guys something to play for. Its not like its even close to an even playing field anyway. They have all the power, 50X more money, all the exposure, all the at-large bids which leads to landing all the top players. Sports are the most fun when things are competitive and there is a goal. I guess one could say winning the conference championship is the goal, or possibly the access bowl.. but thats as big as it gets for a G5 team at this point. There are definitely a few pros to go with the cons if the P5 decide to take their ball and leave. And if they do, some of those P5s will drop to G5 level too, adding more credibility, not less, to the current G5. Imagine the G5 as it is, but with teams like Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Arizona State, Iowa state included. I have to believe an NCAA tournament with the likes of Wake Forest, UConn, Memphis, UNLV, ODU, WKU, Rutgers, Toledo, Nevada, New Mexico, MTSU, UMass, Arizona St, Houston, Georgia St, UTep, Cincy, Marshall etc would still have a legit national interest. Even more so if the A10 and Big East were part of it.

I agree with this
Iam for two FBS leagues right now, we the g5 need to be proactive and split completely from the A5 in all sports and the ncaa so that we can make our own rules about everything but to do this and not be perceived as “ dropping down “” FCS” we will need a TV partner willing to pay more money than what we already get from the cfp, which Iam certain it would be much more
G5 would have a real playoff system, conference champs with wild cards
A5 would stubbornly stick with their stupid committee and believe me the longer they stay with their committee the better for our nationally televised playoffs
I suspect if this were the case recruits will follow
Iam all in for an FBS split
Go coogs

The 2018 final AP poll came out today. There are six G5 teams in the top 25 (if you count Army). That is the most in at least the past six years (I didn't want to keep going back manually). I'm not sure if it's the most ever, but things have been trending up the past couple of years in regard to the end of the year rankings.

P.S. App St was next in at 26. A pretty solid year for G5 programs.

(01-08-2019 01:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:54 AM)monarx Wrote:  As long as they're blocking us out of a chance (even a minuscule one) to even be in the actual playoff I think Id just as soon have them split. Give our guys something to play for. Its not like its even close to an even playing field anyway. They have all the power, 50X more money, all the exposure, all the at-large bids which leads to landing all the top players. Sports are the most fun when things are competitive and there is a goal. I guess one could say winning the conference championship is the goal, or possibly the access bowl.. but thats as big as it gets for a G5 team at this point. There are definitely a few pros to go with the cons if the P5 decide to take their ball and leave. And if they do, some of those P5s will drop to G5 level too, adding more credibility, not less, to the current G5. Imagine the G5 as it is, but with teams like Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Arizona State, Iowa state included. I have to believe an NCAA tournament with the likes of Wake Forest, UConn, Memphis, UNLV, ODU, WKU, Rutgers, Toledo, Nevada, New Mexico, MTSU, UMass, Arizona St, Houston, Georgia St, UTep, Cincy, Marshall etc would still have a legit national interest. Even more so if the A10 and Big East were part of it.

I agree with this
Iam for two FBS leagues right now, we the g5 need to be proactive and split completely from the A5 in all sports and the ncaa so that we can make our own rules about everything but to do this and not be perceived as “ dropping down “” FCS” we will need a TV partner willing to pay more money than what we already get from the cfp, which Iam certain it would be much more
G5 would have a real playoff system, conference champs with wild cards
A5 would stubbornly stick with their stupid committee and believe me the longer they stay with their committee the better for our nationally televised playoffs
I suspect if this were the case recruits will follow
Iam all in for an FBS split
Go coogs

A split in basketball is unnecessary. A G5 or less team can still compete for national championships. Ask Loyola Chicago, Butler, Gonzaga, UNLV, Nevada, VCU, and George Mason. I don't think the basketball paradigm needs to change, but football needs to split. There is no G5 team that will ever compete with what we saw last night, and even if there some individual game changing superfreak like a Vince Young or Michael Vick went to a G5 school under the radar, they wouldn't ever get the opportunity to play for a championship.

Ok I agree with you about basketball but I disagree with you about g5 teams not being able to field teams that are like Clemson-Alabama
My FBS split proposal will help us get the required recruits
Hey man things change, even in college football recruiting trends

(01-06-2019 06:40 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  we already have had that split of division 1
its called FCS (formally 1AA) then we have Div 2 and 3 and then NAIA

All of the divisions have a true playoff except FBS

I would have no interest in a split. You might as well go non scholarship into the Pioneer League and increase the basketball budget.

Nobody pays any attention to any divisions below FBS.

Nick Saban was quoted he didn't want any expansion because it would hurt the bowls.

Total BS, Just make the 4 major bowls the first round of the playoffs.
4 games on New Years Day (8 teams)
2 more Major Bowls the next week
Then your National Championship game.

Simple fix but they would rather keep it the Alabama Invitational Tourney

That goofball committee does not even have one member of their dozen from a G5 school

You are correct that there is no G5 AD, but there is some representation. The college football playoff selection committee actually has former Southern Miss head coach (also CUSA coach of the decade for 1st 10 yrs of CUSA), Jeff Bower, a former Central Michigan head coach, and the President of Robert Morris university, as well as Ken Hatfield, who spent his last 10+ yrs as head coach at Rice.

(01-05-2019 02:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Not. Happening.

Concur.