(12-20-2018 08:01 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:05 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:01 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis signed a 4 star CB transfer from Auburn, John Broussard, Jr. Does that not count?

Plus, this all hinges on which recruiting service you prefer. On Rivals, Memphis has the #47 class, above all other G5, including Boise and UCF.

Our four-star recruit doesn't get to play this year I don't think. Maybe that's why he's not in this class. Still, even not counting him, Memphis has a hell of a recruiting class.

He's immediately eligible per Norvell. Played as a true freshman at Auburn.

Great news! Anyway, was 4* Brady White included in last year's recruiting ranking? I seems he wasn't but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just a transfer thing

Transfers don't count towards recruit rankings.

Doesn't matter, that's not the conversation. Boise boy said they are the only one who signed 4 stars. Wrong.

(12-20-2018 08:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:01 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:05 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:01 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Our four-star recruit doesn't get to play this year I don't think. Maybe that's why he's not in this class. Still, even not counting him, Memphis has a hell of a recruiting class.

He's immediately eligible per Norvell. Played as a true freshman at Auburn.

Great news! Anyway, was 4* Brady White included in last year's recruiting ranking? I seems he wasn't but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just a transfer thing

Transfers don't count towards recruit rankings.

Doesn't matter, that's not the conversation. Boise boy said they are the only one who signed 4 stars. Wrong.

If we're talking technicalities I don't think transfers sign. They just enroll

(12-20-2018 08:10 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:01 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:05 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:01 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  He's immediately eligible per Norvell. Played as a true freshman at Auburn.

Great news! Anyway, was 4* Brady White included in last year's recruiting ranking? I seems he wasn't but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just a transfer thing

Transfers don't count towards recruit rankings.

Doesn't matter, that's not the conversation. Boise boy said they are the only one who signed 4 stars. Wrong.

If we're talking technicalities I don't think transfers sign. They just enroll

LOL. We just took on a 4-star from Auburn, so Boise ain't the only one getting 4-stars.

(12-20-2018 08:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:01 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:05 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:01 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Our four-star recruit doesn't get to play this year I don't think. Maybe that's why he's not in this class. Still, even not counting him, Memphis has a hell of a recruiting class.

He's immediately eligible per Norvell. Played as a true freshman at Auburn.

Great news! Anyway, was 4* Brady White included in last year's recruiting ranking? I seems he wasn't but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just a transfer thing

Transfers don't count towards recruit rankings.

Doesn't matter, that's not the conversation. Boise boy said they are the only one who signed 4 stars. Wrong.

spy's opening argument of zero AAC four stars was wrong.
His/her extrapolation that AAC superiority over G4s isnt reflected in recruiting rankings (1-year, 2-year, or 5-year) is wrong

(12-20-2018 10:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:01 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:05 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:01 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  He's immediately eligible per Norvell. Played as a true freshman at Auburn.

Great news! Anyway, was 4* Brady White included in last year's recruiting ranking? I seems he wasn't but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just a transfer thing

Transfers don't count towards recruit rankings.

Doesn't matter, that's not the conversation. Boise boy said they are the only one who signed 4 stars. Wrong.

spy's opening argument of zero AAC four stars was wrong.
His/her extrapolation that AAC superiority over G4s isnt reflected in recruiting rankings (1-year, 2-year, or 5-year) is wrong

Exactly.

Stars are only important till they hit the field.


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(12-21-2018 02:15 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Stars are only important till they hit the field.


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Facts. I've seen four stars flop and unranked players blossom. Case Keenum had no stars according to ESPN's ranking database and he turned into quite the player.

(12-21-2018 04:10 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 02:15 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Stars are only important till they hit the field.


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Facts. I've seen four stars flop and unranked players blossom. Case Keenum had no stars according to ESPN's ranking database and he turned into quite the player.

what did rivals and scout have him as. i ask because ESPN's database from back then isn't a good judge. they only recently started reviewing a lot of players (they used to just stick to the big names) because of their stupid FPI rating that factors in their own recruiting rankings.

(12-19-2018 11:54 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  I believe that the AAC is the overall better conference than the MWC, but that doesn't reflect in recruiting and I wonder why. Boise signed three 4 star players, Hank Bachmeier, the highest rated qb to ever sign with a G5, I believe, Casey Kline and Austin Griffin, despite what many Boise fans consider tov be a disappointing season. The entire AAC signed 0, yes 0 4 stars despite having some very dynamic teams. Can anyone explain why? Thanks

https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...l/Commits/

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footba...erence=AAC

Arguing recruiting classes is for dorks. It doesn't mean crap until the line 'em up and play.

See you in a couple of months when you come on here bragging about the attendance at your spring game.

(12-20-2018 10:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 08:01 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:05 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:01 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  He's immediately eligible per Norvell. Played as a true freshman at Auburn.

Great news! Anyway, was 4* Brady White included in last year's recruiting ranking? I seems he wasn't but I'm not sure. Maybe it's just a transfer thing

Transfers don't count towards recruit rankings.

Doesn't matter, that's not the conversation. Boise boy said they are the only one who signed 4 stars. Wrong.

spy's opening argument of zero AAC four stars was wrong.
His/her extrapolation that AAC superiority over G4s isnt reflected in recruiting rankings (1-year, 2-year, or 5-year) is wrong

How so? I literally posted the 247 composite rankings in my op.

(12-21-2018 09:58 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 11:54 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  I believe that the AAC is the overall better conference than the MWC, but that doesn't reflect in recruiting and I wonder why. Boise signed three 4 star players, Hank Bachmeier, the highest rated qb to ever sign with a G5, I believe, Casey Kline and Austin Griffin, despite what many Boise fans consider tov be a disappointing season. The entire AAC signed 0, yes 0 4 stars despite having some very dynamic teams. Can anyone explain why? Thanks

https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...l/Commits/

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footba...erence=AAC

Arguing recruiting classes is for dorks. It doesn't mean crap until the line 'em up and play.

See you in a couple of months when you come on here bragging about the attendance at your spring game.

I embrace my dorkiness.

Boise made a name for themselves by dominating the lowest level conference, the WAC. If they had been in the MWC when BYU, and Utah were members, we probably would have never heard of them.

They missed the last flight out of Siagon when they failed to become a member of the AAC.

Now, they are stuck in a structurally limited conference with no where to go.

What the fans of the G4 conferences don't realize.
It is not what the AAC is today.
It is what it will be in just a few years.

AAC members are not simply crying about becoming better. They are building better facilities, paying more for coaches, and have better support.

How many MWC presidents have repeatedly promised top tier athletics and spent hundreds of millions to fulfill those promises?

(12-20-2018 12:47 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  While the star ratings are somewhat helpful they are also very biased.

For example, UCF top commit Keenan Hester was offered by UNC, Texas A&M, Tennessee and other P5s. After committing to UCF on 10/7, his rating dropped 151 points.
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Keenan...nkHistory/

ECU's Traevon Freshwater was ranked as a 4 star with offers from 8 P5 schools. After committing to ECU on 8/6, his ranking dropped from 407 to 706.
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Traveo...nkHistory/

I'm sure there are many more examples. Our current quarterback was a 4 star before picking ECU over NC State.

The rating services are a money making business and they want to keep the people with the money happy. There's nothing inherently fair or honest about it.

As evidence, here's the list of analysts 247/Scout recommends contacting to have a player rated:

JC Shurburtt
National Recruiting Director
Expert Area: SEC, ACC, Big East, National
E-mail: jc@247Sports.com
Twitter: @jcshurburtt
Cell: 615-946-4595
Barton Simmons
National Recruiting Analyst
Expert Area: SEC, ACC, West Coast, National
E-mail: bsimmons@247Sports.com
Twittter: @bartonsimmons
Cell: 615-429-1857
Gerry Hamilton
National Recruiting Analyst
Expert Area: Big 12, SEC, National
E-mail: kiaham2003@yahoo.com
Twitter: @GerryH247Sports
Cell: 713-502-7586
Steve Wiltfong
National Recruiting Reporter
Expert Area: Big Ten, Big East, ACC, National
E-mail: stevewiltfong@yahoo.com
Twitter: @SWiltfong247
Cell: 574-286-4970
Paul Strelow
National Recruiting Writer
Expert Area: ACC, SEC, Big East, National
E-mail: Paul.Strelow@gmail.com
Twitter: @PaulStrelow247
Cell: 864-386-1625
Justin Hopkins
National Recruiting Writer
Expert Area: Pac-12, Mountain West, WAC
E-mail: duckterritoryjustin@gmail.com
Twitter: @JHopkins247
Cell: 541-941-9244

How many AAC experts are on that list? Rating services typically pump up any P5 recruits but if they don't play the game, they're left to rot on the vine.

You are exactly correct. Thanks for summarizing it for everyone.

(12-21-2018 04:10 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 02:15 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Stars are only important till they hit the field.


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Facts. I've seen four stars flop and unranked players blossom. Case Keenum had no stars according to ESPN's ranking database and he turned into quite the player.

https://247sports.com/Player/Anthony-Mil...ool-34232/

I recall a recent 2013 WR in Anthony Miller that was a walk-on at Memphis 247 no-stars composite with a composite ranking 1,746 nationally, 2 -star WR ranking of 234 by 247 sports.

He's now a starting WR for the Chicago Bears.

(12-20-2018 09:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis signed a 4 star CB transfer from Auburn, John Broussard, Jr. Does that not count?

Transfers do not count in recruiting rankings but JUCO signees do (considered AA graduates)

Of course transfers can have HUGE impact...like UCF's WR Tre Nixon, 4 star from Ole Miss who played this season.

Just another reason why "team rankings" don't mean much...as sometimes the best players in your class are not included in your rankings.

(12-22-2018 11:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis signed a 4 star CB transfer from Auburn, John Broussard, Jr. Does that not count?

Transfers do not count in recruiting rankings but JUCO signees do (considered AA graduates)

Of course transfers can have HUGE impact...like UCF's WR Tre Nixon, 4 star from Ole Miss who played this season.

Just another reason why "team rankings" don't mean much...as sometimes the best players in your class are not included in your rankings.

to me a transfer who can immediately play is just as good as a HS recruit or JuCo...Norvell has done well with that thought process IMHO.

four-star Brady White last season
https://247sports.com/Player/Brady-White-30136/

John Broussard Jr this season
https://247sports.com/Player/John-Brouss...ool-49645/

but congrats to Boise...they always seem to recruit well.

(12-22-2018 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-22-2018 11:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis signed a 4 star CB transfer from Auburn, John Broussard, Jr. Does that not count?

Transfers do not count in recruiting rankings but JUCO signees do (considered AA graduates)

Of course transfers can have HUGE impact...like UCF's WR Tre Nixon, 4 star from Ole Miss who played this season.

Just another reason why "team rankings" don't mean much...as sometimes the best players in your class are not included in your rankings.

to me a transfer who can immediately play is just as good as a HS recruit or JuCo...

If a player performs well...doesn't really matter if they were a transfer, HS or JUCO recruit. (Only thing that might matter in the long run is how many year(s) of eligibility they might have at your school).

Once a player gets to your school...its all about production...as some will do very well...some will probably be average...and some won't make much if any impact.

(12-22-2018 12:36 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-22-2018 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-22-2018 11:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Memphis signed a 4 star CB transfer from Auburn, John Broussard, Jr. Does that not count?

Transfers do not count in recruiting rankings but JUCO signees do (considered AA graduates)

Of course transfers can have HUGE impact...like UCF's WR Tre Nixon, 4 star from Ole Miss who played this season.

Just another reason why "team rankings" don't mean much...as sometimes the best players in your class are not included in your rankings.

to me a transfer who can immediately play is just as good as a HS recruit or JuCo...

If a player performs well...doesn't really matter if they were a transfer, HS or JUCO recruit. (Only thing that might matter in the long run is how many year(s) of eligibility they might have at your school).

Once a player gets to your school...its all about production...as some will do very well...some will probably be average...and some won't make much if any impact.

Let's face it, a much higher percentage of 5 star recruits have success, if not tremendous success in college. As you get down the to 4 star range, I suspect the numbers are not nearly as great. Once you get to the 3 star range and lower, it's a crap shoot, almost like pitchers in baseball.

Than add the crowded competition the higher schools have of multiple 4 and 5 star recruits. That's where and why transfer become so important. Many 4 star recruits get pushed out by lack of playing time and the frustration that comes with it.

The final piece is the grades and legal trouble that hit some of the higher recruits, forcing them to go another route, such as JUCO, or out of football altogether.

Of those three 4 star recruits that Boise has snagged doesn't guarantee success for 4 years in their program. Chances are one or more will fail one way or another.

Tale of Two Athletes.

Boise
Casey Kline (6-4/210) 4 star ATH Braley, CA .9019 National 299, State 40, POS 15
P5 Offers (5): Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington State

SMU
Keontae Burns (6-3/185) 3 star Pittsburgh, TX .8689 National 672, Stated 84, POS 84
P5 Offers (11): Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

Compare the two players, look at the film for both, and tell me Kline should be ranked 69 spots higher among all athletes in this class.

With larger areas to cover and fewer FBS schools, I'm guessing the Left Coast kids get a little boost come ranking time. Just a hunch.

(12-19-2018 11:54 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  I believe that the AAC is the overall better conference than the MWC, but that doesn't reflect in recruiting and I wonder why. Boise signed three 4 star players, Hank Bachmeier, the highest rated qb to ever sign with a G5, I believe, Casey Kline and Austin Griffin, despite what many Boise fans consider tov be a disappointing season. The entire AAC signed 0, yes 0 4 stars despite having some very dynamic teams. Can anyone explain why? Thanks

https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...l/Commits/

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Footba...erence=AAC

In 2012, higher ranked QB signed/played at S Miss. However, that was the last year of BCS (not G5 era).

https://247sports.com/player/anthony-alford-7460/