If they get rid of him, they better have a new guy in place very quickly or their recruiting class (and perhaps some current players) will leave in a mass exodus.

(12-29-2018 05:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If they get rid of him, they better have a new guy in place very quickly or their recruiting class (and perhaps some current players) will leave in a mass exodus.

It is not hard to replace an empty suit. Early signing day means players can't leave without permission and the targeted candidate for UH is Dana Holgerson, who obviously would be a home run hire.

(12-29-2018 06:02 PM)Mademen Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 05:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If they get rid of him, they better have a new guy in place very quickly or their recruiting class (and perhaps some current players) will leave in a mass exodus.

It is not hard to replace an empty suit. Early signing day means players can't leave without permission and the targeted candidate for UH is Dana Holgerson, who obviously would be a home run hire.

FWIW it would be “frowned upon” for UH not to release recruits from their LOI if they requested a release upon a coaching change.

(12-29-2018 06:02 PM)Mademen Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 05:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If they get rid of him, they better have a new guy in place very quickly or their recruiting class (and perhaps some current players) will leave in a mass exodus.

It is not hard to replace an empty suit. Early signing day means players can't leave without permission and the targeted candidate for UH is Dana Holgerson, who obviously would be a home run hire.

I understand he's the targeted candidate, but why exactly would he leave West Virginia and the Big 12 for UH?

https://sports.yahoo.com/major-applewhit...51453.html

(12-29-2018 06:58 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/major-applewhit...51453.html

The quotes are incredible. What a dogsh*t administration.



“You can’t buy class. You can’t buy respect. And as Houston sputters through the most awkward of coach transitions, they will slog through the next few days knowing that they are the definitive embarrassment of college sports.”

““The decision to fire Applewhite hasn’t been announced yet, as Houston has penthouse aspirations and Section 8 execution.”


“Applewhite went 15-10 (60 percent) in his two seasons as head coach, which is five percent higher than the school’s historical winning percentage (55 percent). But that’s clearly not good enough for new money, blind ambition and big dollars that string the puppets at Houston.”

“But here’s what this Houston football Christmas Coup failed to take into account – everyone around college athletics is laughing at you.

The biggest guffaws are coming from the Big 12, which has never held a strong institutional view of Houston in the first place.

“The actions Houston is taking will not help in any way position Houston for the future,” said a Big 12 source. “In fact, just the opposite. Today and the way this was handled only reeks of desperation. Obviously there was no studying of those who built programs for the future the right way.”


“You can’t buy class. You can’t buy respect. And as Houston sputters through the most awkward of coach transitions, they will slog through the next few days knowing that they are the definitive embarrassment of college sports. They’ve mixed Big 12 ambition with Pop Warner professionalism, and everyone in college athletics is laughing at Houston officials for not realizing how awful this all looks.”

Don’t know if a word of this article is true... but it’s really entertaining to read.
My only comment... they’ve got a huge mess on their hands on Cullen Ave. But they are dealing it from the position of several winning seasons. Don’t knowif they will be Big XII material any time soon, though.

They may have found a way to outdo our handling of Wayne Graham, at least in the eyes of national media.

(12-29-2018 07:41 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  Don’t know if a word of this article is true... but it’s really entertaining to read.
My only comment... they’ve got a huge mess on their hands on Cullen Blvd. But they are dealing it from the position of several winning seasons. Don’t knowif they will be Big XII material any time soon, though.

FIFY

(12-29-2018 08:07 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 07:41 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  Don’t know if a word of this article is true... but it’s really entertaining to read.
My only comment... they’ve got a huge mess on their hands on Cullen Blvd. But they are dealing it from the position of several winning seasons. Don’t knowif they will be Big XII material any time soon, though.

FIFY

Thanks for that. 'Been a while since I've lived in Houston and my memory is a bit foggy on the Ave. vs Blvd. thing.

The Yahoo article seemed a bit harsh.

You can bring up that expectations of a 10+ season at UH are unrealistic, but I think the whole conversation around Applewhite would not exist if UH did not puke out down the stretch and then get railroaded in their bowl game. The worst thing Applewhite could have done is start 7-1 if he was going to finish 8-5 and lose 14-70 in the bowl game to a Johnny come lately. Although there were injuries, the defense was terrible and it seemed like the team quit on him along with all of the aired-out drama around Oliver's playing status. If they want to be P5-esque, it seems that Applewhite is not their man for multiple reasons.

(12-29-2018 06:26 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 06:02 PM)Mademen Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 05:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If they get rid of him, they better have a new guy in place very quickly or their recruiting class (and perhaps some current players) will leave in a mass exodus.

It is not hard to replace an empty suit. Early signing day means players can't leave without permission and the targeted candidate for UH is Dana Holgerson, who obviously would be a home run hire.

I understand he's the targeted candidate, but why exactly would he leave West Virginia and the Big 12 for UH?

Holgerson is only under contract for 2 more seasons and WVU will not give him the extension he desires. His buyout drops from $2.5 to $1 million on January 1st. Dana still has a house here and did nothing but talk up how awesome the city of Houston is when he spoke at the TD club HS Awards dinner a month ago. For whatever reason WVU thinks they can do better than Dana.

The Pete Thamel piece was such a 1 sided Tom Herman fueled hit job. Go google Pete Thamel and Tom Herman and you can pretty much deduce that any college football story of interest that he is writing is typically coming from Herman or a Herman related source.

Anyone with a brain or even an increment of knowledge knows what a fantastic job President Khator has done at UH. Whether we are talking about pursuing Tier 1 status, the medical school, or athletics improvement, and even if you are squinting with the most anti-UH glasses, you'd have to give her at minimum a A-.

All Tillman Fertitta did was build a new basketball arena, a new football practice facility, and increase the budget for the coaching staffs.

I'm sure the principled Thamel wrote a similar column when Major Applewhite fired his OC after only 1 season. What a clown show when a coach fires a coordinator after only 1 year! No actually, no article was written because it was the right thing to do.

Major brings the energy and excitement of cold oatmeal and his coaching hires, flat out sucked. He wasn't even a good OC under Herman. Greg Ward basically bailed him out for 2 years.

If Rice had reached the top 15 in football for 2 consecutive seasons, hired a coach, and then seen a dramatic drop off in performance with the new hire, I would guess that the fan base would feel similar about its future.

The things that really puzzles me about this column though is why Pete Thamel gives a crap about what Tilman does with his $$$? Did Pete get rolled at a Golden Nugget Blackjack table? Did he have a poor meal at The Aquarium?

Tom Herman had a once in a lifetime season at UH, and that set expectations out of sight and divorced from reality. 10-2 may be the expectation, but I think they will find out just how long a lifetime is.

President Khator has done a good job in many respects. But if you tell a coach that 8-4 with UH's resources will get you fired, I'm not sure how many coaches are interested. I understand that they would like Holgorsen, and I can understand why Holgorsen would not like Morgantown. So maybe this will happen, but as an alum (law school) I don't think it serves UH well.

I've thought for decades that Rice needs to set higher standards and expectations for athletics, but in this case I think UH needs to set lower. You put a coach under that kind of pressure, and you're going to see NCAA violations at best, at worst another Baylor.

Mark Richt retires at Miami

Applewhite officially out at UH.


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West Virginia fans are saying Shane Lyons, their AD, will not match any offers for Holgorsen. It is expected he will take another job after 1/1 when his buyout drops.

I'm not saying it will be Houston, but it sounds like his departure is imminent.

In my opinion, this is UH still trying to prove to a P5 conference they are a worthy expansion candidate more than it is strictly about winning. Season ticket sales have plummeted the past two years, and were likely decline again after the abysmal bowl performance. I've seen my own tailgates drop in attendance by about 40% in 2 years. The problem with a larger new stadium is that it's even more embarrassing not to fill it, than it is to not fill an old dilapidated one.

Firing major is a clear example of CH cooging it.Their vision of what they should be is a delusion of highest magnitude and I suspect they believe that Urban Meyer will be their next coach. The worst thing that ever happened to them (and the SWC for that matter) was to win the SWC FB title 3 of their first four years. Created an expectation far exceeding any sense of reality.

(12-30-2018 08:00 AM)Mademen Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 06:26 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 06:02 PM)Mademen Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 05:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  If they get rid of him, they better have a new guy in place very quickly or their recruiting class (and perhaps some current players) will leave in a mass exodus.

It is not hard to replace an empty suit. Early signing day means players can't leave without permission and the targeted candidate for UH is Dana Holgerson, who obviously would be a home run hire.

I understand he's the targeted candidate, but why exactly would he leave West Virginia and the Big 12 for UH?

Holgerson is only under contract for 2 more seasons and WVU will not give him the extension he desires. His buyout drops from $2.5 to $1 million on January 1st. Dana still has a house here and did nothing but talk up how awesome the city of Houston is when he spoke at the TD club HS Awards dinner a month ago. For whatever reason WVU thinks they can do better than Dana.

The Pete Thamel piece was such a 1 sided Tom Herman fueled hit job. Go google Pete Thamel and Tom Herman and you can pretty much deduce that any college football story of interest that he is writing is typically coming from Herman or a Herman related source.

Anyone with a brain or even an increment of knowledge knows what a fantastic job President Khator has done at UH. Whether we are talking about pursuing Tier 1 status, the medical school, or athletics improvement, and even if you are squinting with the most anti-UH glasses, you'd have to give her at minimum a A-.

All Tillman Fertitta did was build a new basketball arena, a new football practice facility, and increase the budget for the coaching staffs.

I'm sure the principled Thamel wrote a similar column when Major Applewhite fired his OC after only 1 season. What a clown show when a coach fires a coordinator after only 1 year! No actually, no article was written because it was the right thing to do.

Major brings the energy and excitement of cold oatmeal and his coaching hires, flat out sucked. He wasn't even a good OC under Herman. Greg Ward basically bailed him out for 2 years.

If Rice had reached the top 15 in football for 2 consecutive seasons, hired a coach, and then seen a dramatic drop off in performance with the new hire, I would guess that the fan base would feel similar about its future.

The things that really puzzles me about this column though is why Pete Thamel gives a crap about what Tilman does with his $$$? Did Pete get rolled at a Golden Nugget Blackjack table? Did he have a poor meal at The Aquarium?

I agree it was a harsh piece. However I do wonder whether it might be an accurate reflection of how the B12 “collectively” views UH and perhaps some (or even all) of the 11 or so wannabes who made expansion presentations to the league two years ago.

The biggest problem with the B12 is (in my opinion) they don’t “collectively” agree on much of anything. I’m sure some would be happy to welcome UH, others Rice, but there is simply no common vision for what the league wants to actually DO (other than bide the time until the GOR expires?)
In any case, and I’m sure this still goes back many decades, there are some in the B12 who still ‘remember’ the UH from the 70s and 80s and refuse to see anything different from that time long before any of the current folks were involved.

The reality is that the big 12's clock is ticking. Some (tu, ok, ok st, WVA, Kansas maybe) will move into one of the other 4 P5 conferences when they all move to 16 members and the rest will hope they make the cut. The sad conference that gets tu will have a wonderful time dealing with their entitlement, which may be the only thing that keeps the big 12 in current form alive. Otherwise, it will fade like the WAC and the SWC. DeLoss can add a third conference to his trophy wall.

(12-30-2018 05:39 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  Firing major is a clear example of CH cooging it.Their vision of what they should be is a delusion of highest magnitude and I suspect they believe that Urban Meyer will be their next coach. The worst thing that ever happened to them (and the SWC for that matter) was to win the SWC FB title 3 of their first four years. Created an expectation far exceeding any sense of reality.

I can't fault UH for having so much ambition in athletics. They've set high standards, and they won't settle for failure.
Regardless of conference affiliation, UH should have nationally relevant athletics. They know it, and so does everyone else.

Meanwhile at Rice...